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February 06, 2002

Good intentions

So I had this idea, that I thought was nice and sweet.

Turns out it was a really bad idea, and I've really turned some people off.

I'm super sorry.

To those of you who also thought it was a good idea, and contributed, thank you. We'll be having a nice dinner. To those of you who felt the need to attack me about it, I appreciate your honesty, even if your words stung a bit.

I'm totally at a loss for words.

I just...well...I'm sorry, everyone.

Posted by wil at February 6, 2002 06:19 PM
Comments

Crap, man. Suddenly, *I* feel bad.

Posted by: Rob Matsushita at February 6, 2002 06:22 PM

I'd keep the card idea, though.

Posted by: Rob Matsushita at February 6, 2002 06:23 PM

I PayPal'ed just as you were yanking the request I guess.

I decided to do it despites being of 2 minds. :)

Posted by: klaurel at February 6, 2002 06:24 PM

This was never intended to replace "romance" or anything...I sincerely thought that people who had been here from the beginning may want to say "thank you", that's all.

I thought it was a nice way to do that, and I fear that I've pissed off so many people.

I guess this is the moment all the haters have been waiting for...so they can say "See! We were right about him all along! Yay! We hate him!"

dang.

Posted by: wil at February 6, 2002 06:27 PM

I don't get it- what was the problem? I thought it was a nice idea! I mean, seriously, if you didn't want to pay, you could have just ignored it. What's the big deal?

*rolling eyes at people who gripe about everything*

K

Posted by: KB at February 6, 2002 06:29 PM

We don't hate you, Wil! :) I still love your site.

And I promise to come and give you a hug at SD Comicon!

Posted by: klaurel at February 6, 2002 06:30 PM

You did the right thing Wil.

I too, am sorry for going on about it. If I hurt your feelings then I am very sorry.

Posted by: Ang at February 6, 2002 06:31 PM

There's a lot of new people coming in here as a result of the Bloggies, too...people who want to take a lazy, punk-ass swipe at a celeb just to ruin a stranger's day.

It was an ask. Crap, man, I bought one of the "posse" t-shirts and used it in my latest play. Giving five bucks to feel good about something doesn't seem like that big a leap.

I wonder if Spudnuts donated.

Uh, don't answer that, Spudnuts. Wil's had enough blunt honesty for one day.

Posted by: Rob Matsushita at February 6, 2002 06:33 PM

Wil,
Don't get bent about this. At least it was a novel idea, and the most interesting thread on here in days. Somebody called you a "wacky husband" ... hey, there's worse things!


Posted by: synchronicity at February 6, 2002 06:35 PM

damn you nikole, its all your fault, i know it

wil, you should leave a hidden button for us to donate :) come on, you know you want to

Posted by: daepheus at February 6, 2002 06:36 PM

What were people's problems with it?
I personally thought it was a creative, unique idea and something that could have been pretty cool.

I'm glad that you are going ahead with the dinner out. I know how it can feel to be spurned for technology ;) And it takes a special kind of patience and trust and confidence to be cool with it.

Three cheers to your wife!

>>

Posted by: kris at February 6, 2002 06:36 PM

What the hell is the big deal? This is Wil's site and he can do what he wants with it.

It pisses me off that people feel that they can run their mouths off about what so-and-so is doing with their site and how they don't approve and what-not. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, LEAVE.

There. I feel better now. :(

Posted by: AChimp at February 6, 2002 06:37 PM

I'm sorry that it didn't work out. I can see that your intentions were in the right place..

Posted by: kim at February 6, 2002 06:39 PM

Listen, I don't think that anyone should attack anyone about this, regardless of what side you come down on.

People expressed their opinions, and that's what humanity should be about...funny thing is, I let people say things to me that I would never let them say to other people. But I think I sort of asked for it. I didn't think that I was "begging for money", and maybe it would have been better to just say "here, would you mind kicking in 5 bucks to support the site", and then using whatever came in to take her out. I just thought it was...well, I just didn't think it through enough, and I missed the last two pages in the soapbox, which, if I had read, would have made me not do this, at all.

I continue to apologize, and hope that people who are so pissed at me, and the people who contributed, will see my good intentions for what they were.

I wasn't trying to do anything un-cool, I swear.

Posted by: wil at February 6, 2002 06:42 PM

Wil, the haters are exactly that -- the haters... I think of them and remember one of my fav songs (by Billy Joel no less).... "An Angry Young Man", remembering one of the last lines: "And he goes to the grave as an angry old man....". Reminds me why I never want to decend into that pit of anger and hatred.

Do you have an "official" snail mail address? (Heaven forbid your home addy ever got out).... I'd like to send a card.

-J

Posted by: Jonathan at February 6, 2002 06:42 PM

Wil,

sorry all those people ragged on you. You were just trying to do something nice and I am sure it was done with the best intentions. Don't let those who choose to be jerks hurt you. Please don't let those few turn you off to the rest of us who think you are a swell guy! I hope you and you wife have a very enjoyable and Happy Valentine's Day.

Take care and keep up the good work!

Posted by: poolguy at February 6, 2002 06:42 PM

Wil,
I personaly thought it was a very sweet and thoughtful idea. I donated and went to click home to donate again and I found this! I am sorry you felt you had to take it down. It is such a shame that the people opposed to the idea couldn't just ignore it. Well I hope you and your wife have a lovely V-Day and don't let the negative responders put a damper on your date:) Enjoy!

Posted by: MaryRicha rds at February 6, 2002 06:44 PM

Huh? Who? What? Where? .. I haven't been following closely enough perhaps.... Oh BTW, Wil, you're HUMAN, sad but true. ;)

Posted by: AMStrange at February 6, 2002 06:45 PM

Yeah, so I log on to the site, and this apology's there.

So apparently, I missed the fiasco.

Could somebody give me a Cliff Notes version of the craziness that went on (either posted here or emailed to me)?

Thanks!

Posted by: Aaron at February 6, 2002 06:46 PM

Dont feel bad Wil! There was nothing wrong with your asking. PBS probly doesn't feel bad about their campaigns. Hey, did any of you people danate to PBS? How was Wil's request any different? Geez! You'd think somebody had asked you to cut your arms off! Anyway, is it to late to donate?

Posted by: Kim Jordan at February 6, 2002 06:46 PM

Hey, Wil - It was a lovely idea, maybe just not to everyone's taste (but yes, they can leave if it bothers them so much). I hope you have a great time going out with your wife. And please remember, everyone really does (cliche as it sounds) make some minor "mistakes" or misjudgements along the way. In this case, I think it has to do with the implied intimacy of the web - we think we know the people we write to every day, but it's not the same as face to face relationships.

Like the idea of a place to donate to keep your site going - that might really work.

Keep the good stuff happening here - this is truly one of the more interesting places to visit that I've seen in a long time!

Cheers,

The Duchess

Posted by: duchess at February 6, 2002 06:47 PM

Wil,

You DO realize that part of this site's charm is that you give a shit what we think, right?

Posted by: Rob Matsushita at February 6, 2002 06:47 PM

I just found your site and started reading the apology so I looked further...people really need to get a grip on things. The idea was sweet and romantic and I'm not really sure if people just were looking to attack that day or what, but you shouldn't feel like you have to apologize...it was your idea...if they didn't like it...they should have just moved on and not been, well, brutal enough to cause you to apologize...sheesh...

Posted by: Jenni the Jester at February 6, 2002 06:49 PM

Well, the thing that just makes me sick, is my wife, who is the single greatest and most important person in my life, has gotten mixed up in it, and she doesn't even know what's going on!

Maybe I'll take what was sent in, and she and I will give it to a charity, in the name of WWDN?

Posted by: wil at February 6, 2002 06:49 PM

Wil...

You already know what I think, so who cares?

Besides, if anyone got soooo pissed-off at you...and you've done so much to be so completely, obviously human about everything--you know, admitting you're wrong, re-liking the Shat, etc.--and someone wants to tear into you or the idea in a very non-constructive fashion...

Well, I've got to believe they were simply waiting for a reason.

The Cheese says Fuck 'em. Unless, of course, they were merely attempting to kindly disagree with you in a constructive (or Spudnuts) fashion.

Posted by: Roughy at February 6, 2002 06:51 PM

Wil, I don't think you have to appologize for anything here. You thought you had a good idea, and others didn't and told you so. That's what this site is all about isn't it?

That being said, I think the donation button is a great idea if you remove the Valentine part of it. Many people here really appreciate this site and would like to help keep it going. As you said before, not everyone can afford a $20 T-Shirt ($32 Canadian 8-p), but some of us might like to give a few bucks once in a while...

Cheer up and feel the love ;-)

Posted by: MrSpock at February 6, 2002 06:51 PM

I suspect that because she knows exactly what you're like, she would probably laugh really hard, Wil. You should tell her sometime.

Posted by: synchronicity at February 6, 2002 06:52 PM

Wil, don't let it get to you. You didn't do anything wrong. If people give you crap for it, well, they're pricks with nothing better to do than project their own self-loathing onto you. Screw them.

Posted by: Xkot at February 6, 2002 06:53 PM


All is forgiven.

Advertising; Personally, as long as the banner ad doesn't blink, they don't bother me at all. Go for it. What do other reader here think?

Posted by: Keith in Montana at February 6, 2002 06:57 PM

Just heard about your site the other day and I'm tickled to see that you did this site for all the right reasons that I've always wanted to see a celeb do. Ben Affleck & Kevin Smith posting occasionally on their boards is close but this is more what I envisioned.

Guess it took a geek who happened to be a celeb to do it!!

Anyways, I really think that your idea was a neat, experimental, innovative way of trying to bridge some of the gaps between the things in your life, namely your wife and your devotion to your fans (which is why you spend so much time on this project, never mind that it's so much FUN sometimes too)

As for all the bitchers, you ALWAYS have them no matter what and pretty much you have to ignore them. If they're here and reading your site everyday... you're definently doing something right.

Oh yea.. I agree with Rob's sentiment about the charm of your site though I've not had the time to delve into the soapbox. I'm wasting enough time these days having fun getting into blogging myself!

Posted by: Megalion at February 6, 2002 06:58 PM

Hey, doesn't donating money to take your wife out count as the same things as "donating to the site"? I mean, I'm sure that if your wife got annoyed with the site, Wil, she'd make you stop. ;)

Posted by: AChimp at February 6, 2002 06:59 PM

It would be nice to have a button for donations for those of us who appreciate wil's site and want to show our support.

Posted by: kim at February 6, 2002 06:59 PM

Wil,

No need for a sorry (especially a super sorry).

It was a sweet idea, and I hope you still take your wife out to dinner on us. This was to let her (and you!) know how much you are appreicated. I hope the message came through loud and clear, despite a few dissenters.

Enjoy your us-free V-Day, and no need to appologize for being such a good husband and sweet guy.

-Amy

Posted by: Amy at February 6, 2002 07:01 PM

Noooooooo don't give it to charity. You do with it what you had planned in the first place or *I* will get pissed. Every single one of us who sent you money sent it for you to have a nice dinner with NOT to donate it to charity, dammit. Don't let the haters take away what I thought was a great plan. I'm thrilled to know that I was one of the few people who managed to donate.

Posted by: KellyV at February 6, 2002 07:02 PM

I will pissed too, so take her out and enjoy the evening.

-Amy

Posted by: Amy at February 6, 2002 07:06 PM

Wil - I thought it was a great idea, but I can see how some people could dislike it.

I wouldn't mind a general donate button to donate to the expenses you're incurring to keep this site up and learn as much as you're learning to make it fresh and cool. I can only imagine how much bandwidth you eat. Owie.

Anyway, I hope you and Anne have a fabulous Valentine's Day, no matter how you spend it. :)

Posted by: Aiela at February 6, 2002 07:06 PM

I'm lost... I've been reading the entries and all... but *what* exactly happened?

Posted by: Jean Bond at February 6, 2002 07:06 PM

Hey Wil...

Your original proposal rubbed me the wrong way, and I almost wrote to you about it. Since you seem upset, I thought about why I didn't like the idea, and it came down to this: it seems like you would probably take your wife to dinner on V-Day anyway. Because of that, it's hard to see your plan as anything other than a way to get other people to pay for your dinner. In other words, we're saving YOU a few bicks, not giving something to your wife.

I'll bet if you put a permanent button on your site that said "Send Flowers to My Wife", it would get plenty of hits all year long. Make it for a buck or two, and she gets a dozen roses for every 25 or 50 hits. It sounds better because it's almost tongue-in-cheek, and it's seen as going to her and not you. I'll bet you'd get enough overflow to be able to make a trip to the local hospital or old folks home every few weeks.

If you like my idea, I accept paypal ;)

Posted by: Scratch at February 6, 2002 07:07 PM

You reading from that World Socialist Web Site there Will? Hell why don't you join the communist party and blow up troop trains.

Posted by: Jeremy at February 6, 2002 07:09 PM

Wil-
I didn't give you cash so you could give it to charity, I gave it to you so you could have a nice night with your wife. Go do that. Seriously. IT was a good idea.

-s

Posted by: sean at February 6, 2002 07:11 PM

Thanks for the completely relevant comment, Jeremy.

Posted by: synchronicity at February 6, 2002 07:13 PM

Another thought from the newbie...

Another part of the charm of this site as that it enables us to get "close" to you and also really get to know the REAL you.

When you put forth the suggestion today, you gave us all a chance to be involved in your life directly by helping put together an interesting surprise for your wife. You treated us all as YOUR FRIENDS and that means a lot to me and I'm sure exponentially so to your regulars.
Why let the eternal whiners ruin that experience for the rest of your friends and yourself?

I think you should actually put back the link for those who weren't able to read the site in the hours that it was up there.

It's kinda like the abortion debate in a way in the sense that you're gonna have people on either side bitterly and endlessly debating the merits and really it's all gonna go nowhere cause you think that one side's gonna change the other's mind? heck no... it's called the individual human experience.

Anyways, I hope you have a great time whatever you do that weekend.

Myself, I'm excited my SO's coming to visit that weekend... I got a great giggle today when I heard about the SF Zoo's Valentine's Day Sex Tours!! I'm actually thinking about doing it. It ought to be fun though no zoo can compare to the SD Wild Animal Park.

http://www.sfzoo.org/events.htm

Posted by: Megalion at February 6, 2002 07:14 PM

I don't think you should let what a handful of people thought. I personally thought it was a cool idea, and if I had the money to give I would have. I've only been visiting WWDN for a few months now, but from what I saw on the soapbox was just a bunch of newer visitors that don't really know what you put into WWDN. In other words, Don't Sweat the Small Stuff. And in the end, it's all small stuff!!

Posted by: Emi at February 6, 2002 07:15 PM

How about I just take you and your wife to dinner?

Perhaps we can get readers to pay for the flight to Chicago?

(ouch)

Posted by: Roughy at February 6, 2002 07:15 PM

What happened was Wil gave us the option to send $ 0r $5 to him to take his wife out to dinner... on us (as a thank you from us to her for allowing him to make her a net widow). Of course, it was completely up to us if ANY of us wanted to do it and he even put the idea up in the soapbox for reactions. Since it was quite positive, he put the donation button up for all of what seemed to be a few minutes. Shortly there after he took it down. And now this.

Frankly, I think those who didn't want to donate were cordially invited to NOT click the button instead of ruining what we thought was a great idea. Bastos!

Posted by: KellyV at February 6, 2002 07:15 PM

Wil,

There is absolutely no need to apologize. You never forced any of us to contribute. As with all things, some liked this idea others did not—so don't feel bad.

Also, readers that rather would like to give to other causes should just do so. So, all of you that asked why anybody would give money to WWDN and not some worthy cause—this is a chance to put your money where your mouth is! Use this discussion as a reminder to contribute to your charity of choice. This way everybody wins!

By the way, even if some did not agree with the way Wil wanted to thank Anne for her patience and understanding, I believe that all of us agree that Anne, Nolan, and Ryan deserve a big THANK YOU.

So Will, please give our thanks to all three of them! And Happy Valentine's Day to everyone :=)

andreas

Posted by: andreas at February 6, 2002 07:15 PM

Ahhhh ok, I get it now. I just had to wait fer more comments to piece it together.

You know, this is the first (ok second... if you count my ealier post)time I've posted to a website like this. Most of the time I find it lame and irrelevant to do so, but this site is fun, so I'll revel in joining the lameness.

Hell, she puts up with this website, I think people who can afford it should donate to the "Keep the wife happy" fund. Keep her happy, and Willie keeps us entertained.

Posted by: AMStrange at February 6, 2002 07:17 PM

umm... I'm soooooooooo lost. what happened? Someone clue me in.

Posted by: Damian at February 6, 2002 07:17 PM

Hey Scratch-

Thank you!! You totally hit it on the head. I couldn't understand why people got so angry, but that's totally it.

I guess I should have made something else clear: I take my wife out all the time...she takes me out, when she's working more than I am. We take each other out, because we like to get out of our messy house from time to time.

I *did* sincerely think that it would be "dinner on WWDN", and I did think that that was going to be a nice thing. I wasn't, really, really wasn't, trying to stick it anyone. I mean that. :(

Roughy, who I've never met in person, but increasingly wish lived in my hometown, made a good point: I don't see myself as a celebrity, but lots of people still do, and they can't see me as a normal human being, so I'm judged differently than a normal person would be. I need to keep remembering that, and not take anything for granted.

Oh, and, based on the wishes expressed above, I will go ahead and take her to dinner, on WWDN, and I hope that everyone who contributed will "sign" the page which I'll make, and I'll give that to her, along with the construction paper card I give her each year. :)

Posted by: wil at February 6, 2002 07:18 PM

Ahhh. I was wondering where that piece went. Saw it this morning, then came back and it was gone. Ooooof.

It's funny: when I saw it, I was thinking of this company I used to work for. The company gave Christmas bonuses not just to the staff, but to spouses (!) whose generosity allowed the staff to work all those horrible long hours. I thought it was a really nice idea.

I guess it could have looked like you were just going for cash. Remember, to some people you're a guy with a website they enjoy reading: a fellow Netizen. To others, you're Wil F****** Wheaton, to coin a phrase, and not really a "real" person at all, and sometimes things just are interpreted differently when your pal says 'em vs. when a "celebrity" says 'em. Maybe you got hit with that. :-)

Well, ain't that the way it goes though? Sometimes you'll have what you thought was a good idea, or say something you think is funny, only to find out that you really upset someone. At that time, there is, of course, nothing left to do but cringe and hope you get over it. Lol!

Don't worry about it, Wil. These things happen. heheh

Posted by: MrsVeteran at February 6, 2002 07:19 PM

Well, I think it's a great idea. Not many wives can put up with such things. Trust me, my mother doesn't put up with my dad's online addiction. It's something wonderful and considering how patient Mrs Wheaton has been, she deserves something. Not only from Wil, but from all of us. Because Wil wanted to entertain us, she goes to bed alone.
Those who don't like it should bloody well shut up.

Posted by: Jean Bond at February 6, 2002 07:20 PM

Hey Wil,

Forget about all the nay sayers. If they weren't complaining about this, it would be something else. So shake this off and take Anne out to dinner and have a great time no matter what you guys decide to do.
I thought it was a sweet idea. I wish my husband would think about taking me out for Val.Day, but then we would have to find someone watch the kid.

Posted by: brice at February 6, 2002 07:20 PM

Ahhh. I was wondering where that piece went. Saw it this morning, then came back and it was gone. Ooooof.

It's funny: when I saw it, I was thinking of this company I used to work for. The company gave Christmas bonuses not just to the staff, but to spouses (!) whose generosity allowed the staff to work all those horrible long hours. I thought it was a really nice idea.

I guess it could have looked like you were just going for cash. Remember, to some people you're a guy with a website they enjoy reading: a fellow Netizen. To others, you're Wil F****** Wheaton, to coin a phrase, and not really a "real" person at all, and sometimes things just are interpreted differently when your pal says 'em vs. when a "celebrity" says 'em. Maybe you got hit with that. :-)

Well, ain't that the way it goes though? Sometimes you'll have what you thought was a good idea, or say something you think is funny, only to find out that you really upset someone. At that time, there is, of course, nothing left to do but cringe and hope you get over it. Lol!

Don't worry about it, Wil. These things happen. heheh

Posted by: MrsVeteran at February 6, 2002 07:22 PM

Well, frankly, anyone who's caught up in the star-watching thing is a complete idiot. I think suggesting we take Ann(e) to dinner is more pleasant than the idea of movie studios paying certain actors millions of dollars for what turns out to be REALLY bad performances and thus making them get all caught up in themselves and ignoring their fans as best as possible. Not to name names. Although, I'm sure we could call come up with unique lists of 100's. I'll take Wil and his wife's dinner over that ANY time.

Posted by: KellyV at February 6, 2002 07:25 PM

Wil, I wish you lived in Wisconsin...

Then you could *really* be the Cheese.

Posted by: Roughy at February 6, 2002 07:28 PM

Mr. Wheaton (SIR!),

Please extend to Your beautiful, kind, and caring wife our thanks for Her appreciation of Your strengths and abilities, in addition to Her tolerance of Your weaknesses and foibles. It takes an exceptional woman to do so, even more rare in the modern-day "Me" world than ever before.

Were I able, I'd gladly shower Her in flowers and chocolates and cheese simply for being a good human being.

Which She must be, of course, else You wouldn't be with Her.

As to the naysayers.... I think that if one of us, rather than You, had suggested that we show Your wife our appreciation by sending flowers or the like, it would have been better received. In fact, I had considered suggesting it before You made the post. Now, though, it would undoubtedly be taken as asskissing rather than an honest thought.

And who wants ass-scented flowers, anyway?

Posted by: JSc at February 6, 2002 07:30 PM

Wil,

YOU are the reason why we come to your site! I donated $5 because I've had the web site v.s. lover conflict before in my life. It was a good idea, and i think you should have a permanent link to donate money to: (1) Wil's computer education fund or (2) The wife gift fund.

I'll donate!!

Posted by: Roger at February 6, 2002 07:31 PM

I'm probably way late on giving my $0.02, but for what it's worth:

When I gave $5, I didn't see it as anyone begging for money. I saw it as a way for me to say: "Hey Mrs. W, thanks for being so darn gracious about the lot of us hogging your husband's attention so much!"

And I also have to agree with some of the folks above: Don't sweat it, Wil. One of the things that makes you and your site so cool is the fact that you actually give a crap about your kraaasy fans. If you didn't, you wouldn't put all this time into the site! I think/hope that Anne knows that the reason why you're on the computer so much is because you're just trying to be a nice guy. :)

Posted by: Sarah at February 6, 2002 07:38 PM

Dude.

I'm not going to pretend I know all the intimate details of what happened here earlier. But whatever you did, hey, it's no big deal. The sky shall not come crashing down, and Britney Spears will not have talented children.

Your wife is wonderful. I've never met her, but from what we all hear, she roooooolz. Rules, even.

So go, have sex, be merry. That's really all I can suggest.

Well, if anyone's interested.

Posted by: KJB at February 6, 2002 07:45 PM

Don't sweat it - it was a cool idea and f 'em if they can't deal with it.

Posted by: Tony R at February 6, 2002 07:46 PM

Trust me.

Anne resents the evil box as much as Mrs. Roughy...but, then again, I'll bet you've never been left-hooked by Mrs. Roughy because someone was secretly IMing her...

Posted by: Roughy at February 6, 2002 07:46 PM

I think some people get their knickers in a twist too easily. Wil...it's your site...do what you want. It seems that breathing will piss people off at times. Don't let it get you down.

Ok...back to lurking...
~C

Posted by: Carolyn at February 6, 2002 07:48 PM

Bwahahaha.

Nice one, Russ.

Posted by: wil at February 6, 2002 07:48 PM

OK..First Wil you DID not do something "uncool"
maybe a bit different but so what? Like I said in the post that got deleted it was kind of sweet
like a Hallmark card in a alternate universe
..Stop worrying about what the naysayers say
when they say nay...We DO come here day after day
(or in some instances hour after hour)because we
CARE about you and your extended family..we feel
like we know a small and private part of you..
(or so we would like to think!)its YOUR site
you MAY DO WHAT YOU WANT with it (sir)..please
honestly..feel the love.

Now..for all you regulars..I finally get a reply
from Spudnuts..OK just a reference..and THAT part
of the thread is the one that gets deleted!!
WHINE WHINE WHINE..

Is the weather "nice" in WA?

Posted by: bluecat-redblanket at February 6, 2002 07:51 PM

wil,

Im sure its what alot of poeple like about your site is that Your/you're a farkin goofball.

Hell, when I was in college, there was only one tv station. After Letterman, Jim & Tammy Faye came on, they always asked for money and I kept watching them.

Posted by: bluesman at February 6, 2002 07:52 PM

When I read your idea this morning I was really touched, and thought it was a really sweet.
I think it is really great that you are thinking of thoughtful things to do for the woman you love.
Don't let anyone make you feel bad about it. You sound like an awesome husband! I think that is what matters not what a bunch of grumpy people think!

Posted by: lori at February 6, 2002 07:52 PM

Wil,

Man, I missed the post on the main page this morning---guess you can't miss a minute on this site!
Dude, it was a _great_ idea. Do not _at all_ feel anything other than good wishes from us when you take Anne out. You can't please everyone all of the time, and you can't feel responsible for other people's reactions. Don't let the vocal minority drag you down. If you're still taking donations when my next paycheck arrives (next Thurs.) I'd like to donate some $$--make it your St. Patrick's Day outing! Peace, love, and joy, Master Wil....

Posted by: Dave at February 6, 2002 07:53 PM

For the love of heaven! Give us PO BOX already wil ya Mr Wheaton?! (SIR!)

Some of us here understood the gesture and appreciated same. Sheesh! Can some of these people grow at least one humourous bone in their bodies?

I gotta admit, I haven't been around for long, but I "got" it and appreciated the thought. The rest of the negativity brigade can go home.

Anyway, a BIG happy Valentine's day to everyone. Share the love! :)

Posted by: firemage at February 6, 2002 07:53 PM

I hate those haters. I never once saw anything wrong with your idea and those haters have nothing better to do with their lives other than hating you, flaming you and destroying your day.

These haters don't look at pornos to get off on it, they get off on hating people and that's what turns them on. Trolling website forums and newsgroups and get off on the responses and wipe themselves afterwards.

If I had my way, I'd round up every single haters out there, tie them up on a flagpole and get out my blowtorch. I'd mark "F@ck You!" on their backs while they f@ckin' scream! Then tattoo "I'm an a$$h@le" on their foreheads and let them go.

Problem is with this world that there is too many haters out here in this world.

F@ck'em all!

Posted by: Yizuman at February 6, 2002 07:54 PM

Hey Wil,

I think someone in there had a good idea with the "Send Flowers to Mrs. Wheaton Fund" That would be a great way to let your wife know that we appreciate her understanding.

On a more personal note, I wasn't going to donate and I did kind of think it was a little crass BUT I didn't freak out and start name calling. It seemed like a good idea that just came off wrong.

However, I would donate to the "Send Flowers to Mrs. Wheaton Fund." Just because that seems to get the point across a little better.

Posted by: Charity at February 6, 2002 07:56 PM

Ditto what Jsc said. In fact, ditto what a lot of the monkey have said. Though I missed all the hub-bub, I know what's going on. I thought it was a sweet idea. Shake off them haters. Have a wonderful dinner w/Mrs. Wheaton.

Posted by: ingojax5 at February 6, 2002 07:56 PM

This was bound to piss people off reguardless of what purpose it served, good or bad intentions. Its hard to ask a fanbase for money unless you serve an invisible man in the sky otherwise u might hear words like betrayed or soldout. I found it a little odd myself(have actually been expecting a bandwidth fund which makes sense) but I didnt think wil deserved to be flamed. I think those people will see startrek10 anyway.

Posted by: South Burning at February 6, 2002 07:59 PM

"Shake off them haters" - at least that's what the kids are saying these days. I'm hip to the lingo, rizz-ite?

Posted by: ingojax5 at February 6, 2002 07:59 PM

I suppose if I shouldn't say this it'll get deleted... but if you really wanted to contribute to the fund despite its removal I suspect one might choose to simply use paypal and send it to [email protected] his normal e-mail address (which is also the one that the fund was linked to). I believe there's a nice little space to write "hey, this is for.." on the page when you send it so he'd know what it was for. As if he couldn't figure it out.

Posted by: KellyV at February 6, 2002 08:00 PM

1) seems to me that part of the nice thing about the net is that anyone who has a site can put anything they want on it.

2) if you didn't want to donate don't, but as with everything you have free to choice to make that decision (okay so I can't spell) so don't get mad at wil for giving you a choice you didn't like.

3) since wil puts so much work and money into this site it's his call what he puts here and no one should make him feel bad for his choices.

okay I think I'm off my soapbox now *grin*


amellia

Posted by: jadis at February 6, 2002 08:03 PM

its funny how you keep removing the thread and putting it back.

come on, put it back on again, & quit freakin out

Posted by: bluesman at February 6, 2002 08:04 PM

Alright, I have no clue what's going on here, but from the general posts I get the feeling that you had asked for donations to get flowers for your wife or donations so that you could take her out.

*blinks*

She DOES deserve to them, considering how much time you spend on here with us, making your website for us, and entertaining us.
She must be one HELL of a patient woman, and one HELL of an understanding one too.
Hell, if I had money to send, I sure would, but I'm barely above broke man. I barely have enough cash for a litre of milk.
Anyways, you don't need to hear about my financial troubles, point is I would gladly send whatever spare cash I have so that you could do something special for your wife.

But it's like I always say to my husband...
"I don't need a special day to let you know how much I love you."

Please tell her I said thank you.
~Kaylin

Posted by: Kaylin at February 6, 2002 08:05 PM

Lets everyone just listen to John Lennon "Imagine" and be happy. :)

Posted by: Buffi at February 6, 2002 08:07 PM

oop's my bad..found the thread in the previous
days post..and now I'm more confused than ever..
cause maybe today was really yesterday? "LETS
DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN"

Posted by: bluecat-redblanket at February 6, 2002 08:08 PM

Wil, I'm glad you'll still use the bucks on your wife; that is what some of us coughed it up for. ake her out, buy her some flowers, or some really wicked candy (don't get her anything from Victoria's Secret, cause we all know, that'd really be for YOU). If and when you get a PO Box we can send our own cards to thank her... my Spouse Thingy knows what it's like to be on her end, going to bed alone whilst listening to the tap tap tap of computer keys. But hey, he's a guy, he's EASY to apologize to ;)

Posted by: Thumper at February 6, 2002 08:08 PM

I don't see what the big F...ing problem is people. If you had a problem with donating,then don't donate. Who are you to judge Wil for doing this. He said for those that wanted to give back. If you didn't feel like it then so be it. But for those of us who didn't want to give something back, now we can't. Thanks all you whiners. Don't you have something better to complain about, I mean come on people. Get Real!

Posted by: Marie at February 6, 2002 08:14 PM

I guess this is the moment all the haters have been waiting for...so they can say "See! We were right about him all along! Yay! We hate him!"

It is so not about being a "hater" or being anything else. It's about why someone makes a website or a blog -- at least for us "purists" who have been doing this sort of thing for going on 7 years or so. Many of us have websites, work on which has caused our loved ones to be pissed, to be neglected, or to just want to toss our machines out the window. But we do this web thing and this blog thing because we love it, and we all eventually find the appropriate balance for ourselves.

If you are blogging for yourself, then you find that balance and you don't begrudge your visitors your time. If you are blogging for some other purpose, then you may expect something else from your visitors and ignore other priorities.

I think Wil's site is admirable, I have since I started visiting when it began. But the question for me is, is WIl blogging because he wants to, or because he has to in order to fulfill some other agenda? I think it's the second, and I think that's the source of people's outrage at this recent silliness.

Posted by: Faith at February 6, 2002 08:14 PM

Sorry for my flaming. I just get so sick of those bastards.

Wil, it was a awesome idea and please do take her out and spend the donation on something nice to her. Dinner, roses, a trip to the movie, etc.

You should also tell your wife every single day that you love her and thank her for enduring all the time you've done on your website. Don't ever forget to tell her you love her when you wake up and before you go to bed.

Cut down a bit too, spend more time with her or at least give equal time with her as well as equal time with the computer.

I know my best friend's wife hates computers too and she even hates all his friends too. She wants him all to herself and have all the time she can with him at every single second of the time they're together. She gets extremely pissed when he's on the computer surfing or playing EverCrack! (i.e. EverQuest).

Posted by: Yizuman at February 6, 2002 08:16 PM

Unfortunately, I live in a house full of flamers, but they don't know how to use the internet so at least that way they couldn't fill up the comments with more useless flames.

Their argument is something along the lines of "He already has enough money, so why is he asking for more?" And talking about getting royalties off of the TNG episodes that play on TNN and all that junk.

Obviously they've completely missed the point and don't know how much it takes (both in physical moolah and time) to run a website.

Posted by: Pandaman at February 6, 2002 08:17 PM

Whether Wil's blogging with ulterior motives or because he likes it doesn't much matter to me. Because I like it, and *I* have ulterior motives. Or course, sharing them would defeat the purpose, wouldn't it?

Posted by: KellyV at February 6, 2002 08:19 PM

Oh, ye unwashed, ye unbathed, ye uneducated! How little of the cheese thou doth know!

Knowest not that the cheese doth createth it's own web siteth from scratcheth?

Knowest not that the cheese doth enjoy thine learned experienceseth?

Knowest not that the cheese does not proveth anything to anyone but to the cheese itselfeth?

Knowest not that the cheese hateseth to asketh for helpeth, even in thine hour of needeth?

Shakespeare knows the undisturbed cheese, baby.

Posted by: Roughy at February 6, 2002 08:21 PM

Here's my $.02, as another net widow (married to a software engineering consultant):

1. Just shake it off. Misunderstandings happen, that's what makes us human.

2. Remember, you don't need to post something to WWDN _every day_, you know...why not give Anne a "computer-free day" of her choice? Turn the machine completely off for a change (oh, the horror!), and leave it that way for 24 hours. Hell, that's what I'd like for Valentine's day -->hint to my husband if you are reading this!)

In any case, have a great V-day!

Posted by: gringa latina at February 6, 2002 08:28 PM

Personally, I think it was a really nice idea. I've been reading the site for awhile, but this is the first time I've actually commented. I just couldn't refrain this time though. I think that people who perhaps have a habit of overreacting have completely done so in this case. You had an idea that was nice and also romantic (in my humble opinion) and you absolutely do not deserve to get dumped on for it. Don't take it too seriously.
A (still) loyal reader,
Jazz
P.S. I read the post before you took it down, and would have donated but I'm a ridiculously poor university student. I'll send you good vibes on the 14th though. Hope dinner's great.

Posted by: Jazz_Martyr at February 6, 2002 08:29 PM

There was nothing wrong with your idea. It's great that you take the time to share yourself with fans that find you amusing, but completely asinine when a subset of those said 'fans' wastes an hour of your day reading malice into your good intentions.

Aleph

Posted by: aleph_null at February 6, 2002 08:30 PM

[SEND FLOWERS] button gets my vote.

How about a "technical about" section which details what some of your infrastructure costs are, on average, such as bandwidth fees, etc. Then a discreet PayPal donate-for-bandwidth near it.

Posted by: RCG2 at February 6, 2002 08:30 PM

Hey, first of all, I recognized where Wil was coming from and I agreed. Second, this whole mess started with a post to the soapbox where he asked our opinion on the idea before going ahead with it.. He did not just make some post saying give me money now or I will hate you. Third, the great majority of us are intelligent beings with minds of our own. We are fully capable of making the decision as to what we do with our own money. There is no need for reminders of all the charities out there.

Having said that, I also recognize the right for everyone to express their opinion, which is what Wil asked for in the first place. What I have a problem with is the people who insisted on ripping into Wil over and over again. Perhaps, in their insistance to remind us all that Wil is a "celebrity", they forgot that he is also human.

Wil, please don't apologize. And hug that great wife of yours. :)

(PS: I do like the flowers idea ...)

Flann

Posted by: Flann at February 6, 2002 08:34 PM

Damn, Wil, I liked the idea. After all, you do this site on YOUR time. And you do it not because you're paid to, not because we've chained you to a keyboard, but because YOU want to. We get your time, effort, and a piece of your mind for FREE. And every minute you spend on us is one minute you spend away from your wife and kids.

And people complain when you create a way for us to say thanks? To pay back a small fraction of what we take away from your family? It's not compulsory, it's not begging, it's not an annoying X10 ad, and still they complain. Well, Wil - to HELL with those people.

I, for one, hope you two have a lovely Valentine's Day dinner. Think no more about this. You have nothing to apologize for.

Posted by: John Burroway at February 6, 2002 08:37 PM

Shit, man. I'd pony up a fin to keep WWDN up.

Maybe I'll just buy a shirt and officially become one of the posse.

Goddamn, that Jolene chick on Enterprise has tig-ol-bitties.

Posted by: Fraize at February 6, 2002 08:42 PM

Wil's idea wasn't about his lack of or abundance of money. It was a thoughtful way of letting us, his fans, thank his understanding wife for all the time and effort he's put into his site, which has taken away from time w/her and the kids. Unfortunately, if Wil had been some Joe-schmo w/a site and asked for donations to take the Mrs. out for V-day, he wouldn't have been judged so harshly. But since he's a celebrity, asking his Joe-schmo fans for money for a "Gee Mrs. Wheaton, thanks for being such a cool lady" was unheard of by some people.

I'm glad Wil gave people the choice to donate or not. At least he doesn't make us pay a monthly subscription to visit the site.

Posted by: ingojax5 at February 6, 2002 08:43 PM

There's some of us who come here everyday. Others once in a while. But everytime we expect there to be something new from Wil.

Your wife puts up with your mistress of a website that we all enjoy. The least we can do is thank her for allowing you to do this. Come on, lets face it. If she wasn't understanding of this project, it wouldn't have gotten off the ground. And this community built up around it wouldn't exist.

Some people think that it doesn't cost anything for you to do this, and you have gold oozing out of your pores. With them, you just have to chalk it up to ignorance of who you are and what this site is about. It's your site, if you want to do something, then do it.

Don't change what you want to do just to placate the nay-sayers. The people who "know" the Wil of WWDN will understand where you're coming from. And :-p to anyone who can't understand that. Tell your wife thank you! from me for putting up with a time consuming project that brings a little joy and wisdom to people's lives. (I like the flowers idea.)

Posted by: ash at February 6, 2002 08:44 PM

Wil,

I noticed in your soapbox posting that you said:

"I thought about just selling some advertising, and using the advertising money to do it, but I hate ads, and I think most of you do, too, so that got nixed pretty damn quick."

What about selling text ads? They're really not intrusive at all, customizable, etc...and fast loading, too.

Would people here be interested in pitching in a couple bucks to be able to have their message (even if it's just "Thanks Anne! You rock!") displayed a couple thousand times? Any takers?

This way, people would be getting something back for their money...it wouldn't be so much of a plea for donations as just more merchandise to sell.

And, for the record, I think the donations were a great idea anyway. Aside from taking you away from Anne, the hosting costs alone have got to be building up, and that's worthy of support.

Posted by: Darryl at February 6, 2002 08:44 PM

So this is the part of the show where Ricky kisses Lucy, all is forgiven, and then we turn to the Weather Channel to watch tornado footage.

Posted by: Fred Fowler at February 6, 2002 08:46 PM

Again, I feel the need to comment...


Some people just don't think before they open their mouthes Wil.
It usually operates like this:
1. Open mouth,
2. Insert foot here,
3. Close mouth.

Shake it off tiger. When you have a BBS forum like the soapbox, you're BOUND to get a few morons.

For the record, I -still- think it was a sweet idea and so does my hubby actually.

~Kaylin

Posted by: Kaylin at February 6, 2002 08:46 PM

Not sure if my original post made it, so if this is redundant, I'm all sorry and stuff.

Wil, I'd pony up a paper-lincoln or two to keep the site up. You're my favorite blogging celebrity!

Until Jimmy Kimmel's cousin starts a blog.

I'd be so out of here...

Posted by: Fraize at February 6, 2002 08:46 PM

Merely inform folks that you need no "hater-ation" a la Mary Blige, and tell them to suck a lemon.
I thought it was cute, but I think pug dogs are cute, too, and really, they're a little creepy, so...
Regards!

Posted by: Crackwhorlioni at February 6, 2002 08:51 PM

I've only been coming here for about a week and this is my first post. I just felt I had to say something having read all the previous comments. Maintaining a website is hard enough for professionals, I think it's only fitting that Wil asks for donations, whether for personal or site upkeep reasons. Set up a paypal account or good old fasioned snail mail PO Box, and I'd chip in for upkeep.

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Penguin at February 6, 2002 08:55 PM

Hey, text ads. Unobtrusive. Very cool. Then I could pimp my book and t-shirts. New word for me. Pimp. Heh. I'll quit using it in a week or so.

Wil, dude, take a few quiet ads. Cheap ones so I can pimp myself.

Posted by: Thumper at February 6, 2002 08:56 PM

Wil, people are strange, and fickle. We can't go through life walking on egg shells, in fear of not pleasing everyone or angering others. It's too bad some people didn't get what you posted, but life will go on. Let people like you for who you are, and approve of you for who you are. There will always be people that don't like you, just as there will always be people that don't like me. We can't appease them all, nor can we win them all over. To even attempt would be foolish. Let me ask this: Given the events of the last few days...would you do that again? Exactly as before? I'll bet your answer is no, which I'll dare say is a shame. Here's why....you've reacted to others reactions to something you did. (You did nothing wrong, you did not harm them in any way, you didn't hold a gun to their head and force them to read) That something you did was inspired by the true Wil Wheaton, no alterior motives, nothing evil lurking in the corner, it was a spur of the moment (ran by the soapbox) inspiration. If you answered no, to the above question, the only one harmed here is you. Of even more harm to you, though, is the amount of second guessing you will encounter on your next moment of inspiration. (Will this offend someone or not, maybe if I change this or change that) Pretty soon, your inspiration is no longer your inspiration but rather someone else's expectation. Guess what? There will be people that won't like that too. We don't need to go through life appologizing for who we are. We apologize when we wrong someone.

Posted by: vdsl77 at February 6, 2002 08:56 PM

wil, it's fine. really. really fine.

there's no reason to feel sick about it at all. you had an idea, and it was an interesting idea, if a little flawed.

some people disagreed, and said so. how many times in a lifetime is that scenario going to play out? hopefully, a lot.
it's okay to take a risk.

when i saw the invitation to donate this morning, i confess i had a few different responses:

firstly, i wondered if anne would really enjoy this? if she was feeling at all (and perhaps justifiably) resentful of the website, would a valentine's gift from the posse make her more so? as though the posse were infringing further upon her relationship?

and then i thought: well, she's wil's wife, and if anyone can guess how she's going to respond to this, it sure ain't gonna be me. it's a gonna be a him.

plus, if you look at the way blogging communities work, this is not such an unusual idea - celebrity factor or no. actually, i liked the idea a lot, because in a very real way, it was exactly what wil said it was - an opportunity for the posse to thank anne for the indulgences that make it possible for the site to exist. i don't have a credit card - so the point is moot for me, to some extent - but i'd have liked to chip in. i hang out here a lot, and can only guess at the time and money that goes into creating a space like this.

so, wil, the idea that you were somehow 'scamming' the posse didn't even occur to me.

your intentions seem pretty transparent. and that's a good thing.

Posted by: hot soup girl at February 6, 2002 09:01 PM

Well this comment will probably get lost in a sea of "f*ck the trolls and haters" posts, but here goes.

You don't have to feel sorry for trying to be thoughtful and nice. There will always be people out there who are mad at the world, and especially mad at those who are kind, generous, benevolent, happy, and/or caring. Who knows why; maybe those qualities are just foreign in the haters, and it's that much easier to hate something foreign. Maybe they get thrills taking potshots at people who probably won't hit back, so to speak. Maybe they like making people miserable because they enjoy having company.

We knew you weren't trying to pull a fast one. Enjoy your Valentine's day, and think not of the 'tards trying pull you down.

Posted by: Fetal Error at February 6, 2002 09:02 PM

Go for it Wil It's your idea, if you feel it'll make her happy, do it! You have my $5. If people don't agree with the idea they can choose not to donate. Don't let a bunch of online wallies determine your thinking. If you let them think they can manipulate you, next thing you know they'll be demanding public access to your bathroom :)

Posted by: Lucas at February 6, 2002 09:03 PM

vanna would like to donate some of her old hooks.

they're dented a little (that letter 'H' can be a real bitch to turn around), but they're still good.

Posted by: hot soup girl at February 6, 2002 09:13 PM

Awww Chief... nothing with your idea was wrong (to me anyways). I'm glad that I and some others to contribute something to make your valentines day a little sweeter.
Molly

Posted by: Molly at February 6, 2002 09:18 PM

If your coming to chicago to visit roughy, get a big place and invite the chicago fans. I'd go. i'd even pay an entrance fee to help cover the costs.

Posted by: gregg at February 6, 2002 09:21 PM

I think it's a sweet idea, Wil. If I had a gal, I'd try the same thing. BTW, I'd love to donate, but I am severely broke at this moment. I'll send you money once I get some or my firstborn (whichever comes first).

Posted by: Radiofreewill at February 6, 2002 09:22 PM

It WAS a good idea, dude. I was gunna donate some money....the thing is, I wouldn't be able to since I have no credit cards, and you don't have a PO-box set-up for money-orders. Anyway, I guess all that is moot now.

~Mental Note~ : I think that's the first time I ever used 3 hyphen's in one sentence. yay. :-)

Posted by: Lenny at February 6, 2002 09:24 PM

wil, I may have inadvertantly given you the Idea for the Pay Pal thing with this post I did a couple of days ago:


"Jerry,

I didnt read your whole page that you linked but I got a kick out of the Ending:

"I do not ask for anything in making this publication available to you, yet I know there may be some of you who appreciate it enough to make a monetary offering as a gift of appreciation. You may contact me via the email address above for my postal address information if you wish to send a monetary gift (in US Dollars) to me ."

I did kind of glance at it and thought it would make a good sequal to the Book "Baby Steps" in the Movie "What about Bob"

If you would like to send me something (Money Order or Pay Pal)for giving my feedback, you can contact me through my Email Address.

Thanks.


Posted by bluesman at February 4, 2002 10:26 PM


Also, I do want to thank you.

My wife was sick as a dog today and I took most of the day off. At one point I went in and woke her up and said "I cant believe this, Wil Wheaton did an update and he is asking for money"

She had a pretty bad headache and It hurt her to laugh but I think it was good for her anyway.


Thanks again wil

Posted by: bluesman at February 6, 2002 09:24 PM

Oh man...

Like some others whose comments I read, I knew what was going on, but I last visited when I was at work (around noon Eastern Time). I kinda saw at that time some people were reacting a little negatively, but hey, that happens.

I came back to check on things now (11:45 PM my time) and do the Pay Pal thing, and find that quite a bit has happened.

Wow.

Wil, I can only echo most of the sentiments I've already read. There are certainly a lot of us that understood your intentions and didn't really think anything else of it.

I still hope there's some way we can let your wife know that she is appreciated by us for putting up with the time you spend on creating all this.

It's cliche, but hey, a couple of weeks from now, we'll all look back on this as one of the "Moments in WWDN history" and laugh it off. The sting will go away soon and we'll still be there to laugh and debate with ya!

Posted by: Jon at February 6, 2002 09:24 PM

on the other hand, its all jerrys fault

Posted by: bluesman at February 6, 2002 09:26 PM

I think it's a cute idea... and LOTS of people put donate buttons on their site, because running a site costs a lot of money. We know you ain't getting rich on it. Feel the love Wil!

Posted by: chica at February 6, 2002 09:27 PM

All right, well you've earned my respect. I was one of the people who thought this was a dumbass idea and said so. However, having the balls to retract it with an apology shows me that you are a lot more like me than I expected. Still not gonna send you money, but I think you're a decent guy.

Posted by: Kickstart at February 6, 2002 09:28 PM

You know what?

This whole Wil Wheaton website thing was a bad idea.

Wil Wheaton Grill?

Good idea.

Hook Week on Wheel of Fortune?

Good idea.

Wil Wheaton website?

Bad idea.

But you know what ELSE?

...

...

...

I got nowhere else to go!

Posted by: Spudnuts at February 6, 2002 09:38 PM

Don't apologize for an idea intended to make someone smile! There are those that like to cry over the littlest things, just to have something to cry about. Ignore them Wil, they are miserable people.

Posted by: Jed at February 6, 2002 09:40 PM

I'd send you money, Wil, but you have to send me Roughy. I'll accept Spudnuts as a booby prize...ooh, she said booby...

Posted by: Emmy at February 6, 2002 09:40 PM

Keerist.

Buck up, little camper.

There's no crying in Hollywood.

There's NO CRYING in Hollywood!

Posted by: Spudnuts at February 6, 2002 09:40 PM

My two cents (which looks a whole lot like many others' two cents): It was a neat idea, and I never ever thought you had bad intentions. I didn't contribute, due to lack of credit card, but I hope you and your wife have a lovely dinner. Can we still send a message even if we didn't contribute?

Posted by: tammy at February 6, 2002 09:43 PM

Okay.

MAYBE at Pauly Shore's house...

But that's it.

Okay.

And.

Vanna's trailer.

But that's ALL.

Posted by: Spudnuts at February 6, 2002 09:43 PM

Has anyone else noticed that Spudnuts

writes

like

Shatner

?

Posted by: synchronicity at February 6, 2002 09:43 PM

Oh, there you are, Spudnuts *sigh of relief*

Posted by: tammy at February 6, 2002 09:46 PM

Can I suggest an idea that you just put up a "donate paypal" icon button up and leave it at that? Or make a webpage explaining in detail why you have that button up? Some folks like me would be willing to help donate for the cause of WWDN to help fray the cost of bandwidth.

Bandwidth is very expensive for anyone to pay for that has a very popular website. All that traffic can rack up a major bill to pay for.

All I can say is we love you Wil Wheaton and we think you rock!

If 9,000 visitors can donate one dollar per month, that's nine grand per month to cover everything you need, get a better server, better softwares, better hardware to help keep WWDN alive and kicking. Use it just exclusively for WWDN and maybe even start your own server and host your Radio Free Burrito there everyday.

One buck a month from 9,000 fans per day is chicken feed.

Posted by: Yizuman at February 6, 2002 09:50 PM

In all seriousness, I was gonna give five bucks.

Reason I didn't was because I had just withdrawn like $400 from my PayPal account so I had jack shit in there.

I didn't really care about the Wil's wife thing. I just figured I use my fair share of bandwidth (ya think?) so I'd toss five bills in there. When I listen to street musicians, I toss a couple in the hat/can as well.

It's just the regular American thing to do.

If he spent it on his wife, or chili fries at Fatburger, it's all the same to me.

As for the ad thing, I say why not have ads? Sure, I hate 'em, but I think there's an opportunity for some humor if done right. I think a George Foreman Grill banner at the top of the page enhances the funny, not detracts.

See.

Sucky ads suck.

But non-sucky ads suck slightly less.

So put some ads up.

I don't have a problem with that.

I wanna see more Wil Wheaton celebrity endorsements, not less.

But...

Be smart.

Danny Bonaduce creeps me out.

Posted by: Spudnuts at February 6, 2002 09:53 PM

I thought the idea was just fine.
But, if people's comments about it sting, I suggest resisting the temptation to click on the related comment button at Fark. Those people can be really, really mean.

Posted by: Sylvain at February 6, 2002 09:56 PM

Walk it off! Walk it off!

People are gonna take a swipe at you for no other reason than you're a "celebrity." No matter what you do. You could donate money to the Red Cross, you could volunteer at soup kitchens, you could heal the lame and cure the sick by laying on hands and people would still slag you. Because you're someone famous who is accessible. "Hey, I totally ragged on Wesley Crusher because he loves his wife!" Go you!

I thought it was very sweet and endearing and kinda goofy in a sitcommy way:

INT. NICE RESTAURANT. NIGHT.

Candles flicker on the table as WIL and ANNE gaze lovingly into each other's eyes.

WIL: I love you, pumpkin.

ANNE: I love you, schnookums. And this restaurant is so lovely, and my foie gras is delicious! Even the wine is a step up from our usual selection of Muscatel! But surely we can't afford such a lavish meal, me being a simple hairdresser and you having all your Star Trek residuals tied up in Enron!

WIL: Don't worry, dear. The good readers of my web site are covering this one!

ANNE: What?

WIL: Yeah! I thought it would be a good idea for them to show how much they appreciate the time you let me have with them if they helped me to take you out to dinner.

ANNE: They're paying for the dinner? A bunch of FARK readers are paying for my dinner? Oh, WIL...

(Insert comical foghorn here. Laugh track. Dissolve to PATRICK STEWART's loveshack.)

PATRICK: (to Thai whore) Make it so.

I should probably stop now.

Posted by: Scott at February 6, 2002 10:03 PM

Ok Spud now you may be on to something.

What we need is a special bash Wil website.

WilWheatonGRILL.com is good.
SpareChange4WilWheaton.0rg
WIlWheatonSafety.Net

Oh, and when you post, a $1.00 per word donation will be applied to the Flowers for Mrs Wheaton Fund automatically deducted from your bank account. Neat huh?

(Any advocats for a little non obtrusive advertising on this site to help pay the bills?)

Posted by: Keith in Montana at February 6, 2002 10:06 PM

Jeez, Wil, you really had me frightened for a moment.

After reading your apology I thought you had done something REALLY BAD.

A 'Donate Money' button on your site (particularly one for such a noble cause) is not 'really bad'. In fact, it is not bad at all.

Don't let the bastards get you down (the Latin escapes me at the moment... :-)

Posted by: Bill Bekkenhuis at February 6, 2002 10:07 PM

Now,

I can't help but wonder about the most obvious question...

And be amazed that noone has asked it yet...

What would TGPDPTOWFSB have had to say about this whole situation?

I mean, really, people.

Posted by: JSc at February 6, 2002 10:07 PM

Ok, I've finally read enough of the comments to know what's going on. This is where opinions go, right? Ok, here's mine:

I'm married, and just a little younger than you, Wil. My wife is a stay-at-home mom, with two young kids, so I know how important it is to give her some time off, and take her out. That said, I think your idea was an excellent one. Give the lady a fine night out!

About the reason for the donation: (Now, I hope everyone taketh this the right way, but flame if you must.) I've been coming here for about a month, and I think the site is golden. You do a terrific job with it, and I'll keep coming back as long as it's up. But, don't spend too much time on it (not that I think you are.) I saw you list your priorities somewhere before, and you've got your act together. But, (and please consider this coming from a friend) don't let your wife and kids get shined on our behalf. Don't let the day come when you look back and wish you had spent less time here, and more time with them.

I love the content, and especially the Trek stories, but I'll always be happy to find out you let us down for the sake of the fam.

Posted by: Joshua at February 6, 2002 10:09 PM

OMG! Farkers at www.fark.com is starting to give Wil a bad name.

Wil needs to contact fb- or Drew and get that link removed ASAP!!!!!!

Everyone send Wil a email to get his attention to send fb a email to have it removed before more damage is done.

Posted by: Yizuman at February 6, 2002 10:10 PM

Sigh... the Haters try and ruin something wonderful again.
I hail from a net board that deals with the vermin known as haters daily. Unfortuanately we haven't pulled enough money together to have two stoners from Jersey go around beating up these punks.
We at www.soulcracker.com have survived deatthreats, pics of corpses, invasion of privacy, copyright infringement, and even a song about my very own tits (first stop on SB and Jay's list I swear to the Goddess).
All because they thought it would be brillant to do a rock n roll survivor game show called "Bands on the Run".
At the end of the day.. we forget about them (mostly ^_~ keeping a list.. checking it twice..). We don't give a damn. And neither should you Uncle Willy.

Take your wife out and have a wonderful time on us. You deserve it.

Posted by: MissKittyFantastico at February 6, 2002 10:25 PM

Okay, I'm a long time listener, first time caller.

I don't normally post on messageboards, so you'll have to just deal with my lack of smilieys and bullshit.

Wil had a really simple, thoughtful idea. He was open and honest about it, and clearly thought it out beforehand, and thought that the regulars here would like to do a nice thing.

He was right. The regulars here were interested in doing a nice thing. But it seems that a bunch of assholes who I have never seen before (and I've been here since the site was linked from slashdot) decided to come in here, and bitch Wil and everyone else out.

So Wil apologizes, and takes it down. Where are all the "haters" now? Where are the "nay-sayers" now? Those fuckers are happy to flame away, and then, when Wil gives out the apology, where are they? Nowhere. Probably arguing with their loser friends about who they'd nail first: Britney or Mandy Moore. Like they have a chance.

Fuck em, Wil. You said it yourself on you warning page: "I don't take myself seriously, and neither should you" So why do you care what these fucking idiots think? You know how many of them came back to accept your apology?

ONE. Exactly ONE.

So, I'll say it again. Fuck them. I gave you a dollar, and I'd do it again, anytime.

Posted by: jb at February 6, 2002 10:27 PM

Okay.

Better idea than just having a "donate to Wil" button which, given the tight economy might strike some as a bit... odd, since... well... I mean how BAD can things really be financially at the Wheaton Estate (don't answer that)?

How about selling sponsorships or tiny banner ads for those looking to publicize their blog/site?

I mean not a day goes by that some poster does not mention their blog/site (Lakerboard) oh-so-casually in the comments, so why not give them some real exposure and make a little jing at the same time?

Put a tasteful HTML (no trashy, splashy graphics) header which says "WWDN brought to you this week by www.someguysblog.com."

And by the letter G.

Charge like... $25.

That way you're not holding out the tin cup and someone who wants to divert a portion of those 90,000 monkeys/month to their dank, lonely corner of cyberspace can do so.

That's a bargain, son.

Posted by: Spudnuts at February 6, 2002 10:29 PM

Wil, as EVERYONE else has said, don't stress about it dude.

I've only been coming here for a couple of weeks now. I quickly realized you are more 'normal-guy' than you are 'star'. Everyone makes mistakes.

I can see how this might have been viewed as...well...contraversial (sp), but both my wife and I (and she's often a 'web-widow' too) thought it was a really cool/sweet idea.

If ya lived near Calgary, I'd say come skiing! Just cause you are a 'normal' person...whatever the hell that entails...snicker.

Chill out, and have a fantastic Valentine's Day.

Posted by: CanadianKnight at February 6, 2002 10:30 PM

"I suggest resisting the temptation to click on the related comment button at Fark."

i suggest doing that most of the time, anyways. great website content, but as for the comments section... yecch.

Posted by: obeygiantsarah at February 6, 2002 10:31 PM

Scott said:

>> PATRICK: (to Thai whore) Make it so.

>> I should probably stop now.

No, you shouldn't.

Posted by: Spudnuts at February 6, 2002 10:31 PM

Will--

Hi. I am oleg. I am sorrey your idear didnt work out lik u wanted it to. Peple didnt have too be rude abowt it tho. If thay did not want too partisipate thay shuld have kept it to themself. Eh?

Your truley

Oleg Gene Krupa

Posted by: Oleg G. Krupa at February 6, 2002 10:36 PM

Will--

Hi. I am oleg. I am sorrey your idear didnt work out lik u wanted it to. Peple didnt have too be rude abowt it tho. If thay did not want too partisipate thay shuld have kept it to themself. Eh?

Your truley

Oleg Gene Krupa

Posted by: Oleg G. Krupa at February 6, 2002 10:36 PM

Will--

Hi. I am oleg. I am sorrey your idear didnt work out lik u wanted it to. Peple didnt have too be rude abowt it tho. If thay did not want too partisipate thay shuld have kept it to themself. Eh?

Your truley

Oleg Gene Krupa

Posted by: Oleg G. Krupa at February 6, 2002 10:36 PM

I missed the whole thing but have read the commets on fark.com and here. Personally I think you should have a donation link somewhere. You put a lot of time and money into running this site and could use the support. As for the farkers, fark them. Being one of the original farkers I have noticed that site go down the hill fast regarding the quality of the users that post there, hence why I don't anymore.

Keep up the good work Wil.

Posted by: C.C. at February 6, 2002 10:36 PM

Re: The FARK comments

Yeah it sucks-Most of those comments are coming from the usual perspective of not knowing the whole story, but I have a feeling removing the link will just make things worse. They'll just say "Hey, we must be right about this or why would they pull it off?"

I think the best thing to do would be to let it run its course and quietly fade away. There will always be another target to take the heat of this anyway.

Oh, and Spudnuts-just your mentioning of Danny Bonaduce creeped me out! brought back bad memories of when he was on the radio here in my town.

Speaking of which, if we wait long enough, Bonaduce will probably do something that takes the heat away....

Posted by: Jon at February 6, 2002 10:39 PM

Let it run its course?!

Shit.

Come on now.

Wil plays over at FARK all the time, right?

If he's gonna cheek-to-cheek with them under a harvest moon when they're sucking his rocks, then he's gonna have to step into the ring and falk them up Lachance-style when the worm turns.

Run its course...

Please!

Get the fuck in there and mix it up, Wil.

You're a greasy, eye-talian fighting machine!

Posted by: Spudnuts at February 6, 2002 10:46 PM

Hey, Wil
Your diplomacy skills equals your talents as an actor and entertainer. In other words, you da man. Keep up the awesome attitude. ;)

Zod

Posted by: General Zod at February 6, 2002 10:48 PM

Hey Wil, one caveat about PayPal: www.paypalwarning.com

I'd be careful. There are plenty of alternatives, not the least of which is just a simple PO Box for the posse to send checks to.

I mean, *I'd* give a penny for your thoughts. And with all the people around here giving their two cents all the time, I would think you wouldn't have any trouble raising money. :-)


BTW, this is my first post here. Regardless of what anybody says, keep up the good work, Wil!

Posted by: da Schmiz at February 6, 2002 10:50 PM

What's this? I come home to catch up on Uncle and discover someone has been nasty!?! All I say is...get a life! Stop with the hate over such little things! People are starving for gosh sakes! (Mum where did you come from?!)

Don't let it get ya down Wil. Anyone who's lived in the real world will understand.

Posted by: LM at February 6, 2002 10:50 PM

Bonaduce!

Bonaduce!

Bonnnaaaaduuuccceee!!

/Beavis

Posted by: wil at February 6, 2002 10:50 PM

(hmm, should i admit this?)

during the period the comments were down i tended to visit the site, uh, once in a while, and largely to see if they were back. I did, however, sit on the irc channel to talk to the people I have come to enjoy procrastinating with. plain weblogs i tend to read when i think "hmm. i wonder how [personx] is doing today." and because i am a self-absorbed creature, that isn't all that often. (i am going somewhere with this.)

would i pay to support a journal? no. however, i would pay to keep soapbox up and running, or to keep some sort of dialogue open between other people who visit.

i think that's probably the source of the vitriol earlier, the people in question didn't realize you weren't asking the infrequent visitors to the site to pay. I do tend to agree that some people just take a perverse delight in ruining other people's day, but i always write them off as having the lives they deserve. something had to make them that way.

in other words, screw them.

and jbay is the pickle guy.

Posted by: Gigi at February 6, 2002 10:53 PM

"Illegitimi non carborundum."

I believe that's the phrase Bill Bekkenhuis was looking for earlier, and it's entirely appropriate.

Posted by: Fetal Error at February 6, 2002 10:54 PM

I vote for the permanent donation button, which someone else on here suggested. That way, we won't know what you're doing with the dough and we won't feel like we're customers. Because we aren't, right?

Posted by: Shane at February 6, 2002 10:56 PM

No need to apologize Wil, I thought it was a nice idea. A few years ago some people gave millions of dollars to a guy that told us that God was going to take his life if he didn't raise enough money.( Who was that? ) But when he didn't get enough money, he didn't die. So people gave him more money in celebration of the fact that God didn't take his life.

( Now That was a bad idea )

Tim ... The Heathen

Posted by: Tim at February 6, 2002 11:01 PM

Fark took the link off. There was only like 23 comments.

Whew! I knew these farkers wouldn't understand unless they saw the whole story first. The story link would have given all the wrong impression.

I think all the misunderstandings has been cleared up and no real damage is done.

All is well at WWDN!

Wil still rules the universe!

Posted by: Yizuman at February 6, 2002 11:05 PM

50 passengers at $250/head = $12,500

Two trips/week = $25,000

52 weeks x $25,000 = $1,300,000/year

Minus the cost of chartering the bus.

Sure.

And donuts.

Hookers too.

Mobile comedy, pastry, hookers.

The open road.

Or the cubicle.

You give that some thought, boss.

And when you come around, you drop me a line.

Spudnuts/Wil Wheaton Motorcoach Tours.

What?

You got something better to do?

Posted by: Spudnuts at February 6, 2002 11:06 PM

Wil - *I* thought it was a nice idea. I would have kicked in some shekels for you, but we're a bit strapped ourselves these days.

For the record, my own wife doesn't complain about the amount of time I spend online...she's probably spending as much time online as I am, on her own computer. True, she runs Windows 98 and I run Linux, but we get along. :-) Also, we don't have any kids...well, unless you count our cats, one of whom is a 9-month old overgrown kitten who can be as rambunctious as a toddler sometimes!

I'm sorry certain individuals felt the need to ream you about your idea. (When I say "certain individuals," you can substitute any stronger term you like...) But I'm glad Mrs. W will be getting a nice dinner out of it anyway.

Eric

Posted by: Erbo at February 6, 2002 11:08 PM

God is going to take Mr. Wheaton's (SIR!) life?

Posted by: JSc at February 6, 2002 11:08 PM

I like horseys


this horsey is dead


dont hit the dead horsey anymore


unless you can afford $5 per whack


if you wantto speak like Michal Kane You must only say three words at a time



Posted by: bluesman at February 6, 2002 11:09 PM

Perhaps I've been sleeping for way too long or it's just that I'm not a member of the "in crowd", but who the heck is Wil Wheaton? Is he a television star or writer of novels? Sincerely...meaning no disrespect.

Posted by: j thomas at February 6, 2002 11:15 PM

crap. I threw away my bluesman pinata.

Posted by: Gigi at February 6, 2002 11:16 PM

All right, the more we post on this thread, the bigger of a deal is being made of it.

Was that proper english? Hell if I know. But do you get my point?

The terrorists have already won.

Posted by: Courtney at February 6, 2002 11:18 PM

Wil,
I didn't donate, because I'm such a newbie around here, it wouldn't have been from the heart. But I don't think you're a jerk. From what I can tell you seem like a real stand up nice guy, who loves his wife. THAT is cool, not jerky. Don't be so hard on yourself. I think that you're pretty brave opening to the world the way you do. I feel a small amount of trepidation in writing little stupid blurbs for fear that someone might jump on me about something I wrote.
Hmmm...I read something in the Weekly today, what was it?...Oh yes, "The eagle my soar high above the earth, but the beaver never gets sucked into a jet engine." No how exactly that applys to anything is beyond me, I just thought...oh never mind.
Ease up on yourself, you're one of the good people.
Much love,
LK

Posted by: Elkay at February 6, 2002 11:19 PM

Spudnuts, remind me never to piss you off. You are incredibly amusing, and in another time and place I'd wish to have sex with you, but I have the feeling you're eeeeeevil to those who bother you.

Wait, I know you're eeeeevil to those who bother you. What the fuck am I saying?

I need to eat more cake.

Posted by: KJB at February 6, 2002 11:24 PM

One more thing, then I'm back to lurking. I promise.
How much did Wil suggest, to cause this bitchfest? A whole dollar. One. Whole. Dollar. Maybe five, if you're feeling particularly generous.
One. Fucking. Dollar. How much did you spend at Starbucks this week, or today even?
I think I'm done now.

Posted by: jb at February 6, 2002 11:24 PM

Starbucks is the evil empire. We should be rebelling against them, not the inestimable Wil Wheaton!

We shall overcome you, vile Starbucks! Death to the tyrant!

Posted by: KJB at February 6, 2002 11:26 PM

------
PATRICK: (to Thai whore) Make it so.
------

WOW that was funny. I need to start reading the comments here more--y'all are hilarious! And here I've been thinking Wil himself was the primary attraction here...silly, silly.

What *I* want is a 'donate to Wil's stepkids' button. Maybe this would be better for a particular occasion, like a birthday or something. The worry is not that the kids aren't getting enough stuff--it's not an issue of charity at all, really. Instead, it's analogous to buying one's co-workers' kids a present--these are people you never really interact with directly, but the co-worker means a lot to you, and through this person's stories about his/her kids, one comes to have some sort of understanding of what the kids are like and how they impact the co-worker. That means that these people are in some sense meaningful without having significant direct contact. It seems to me that Wil puts enough of himself on the site that it's pretty reasonable to feel that way about his family, and when I imagine a co-worker getting something for my kids (at some future point when there are some), that seems like about the most considerate, coolest thing they could do. I think it would be wonderful to be a part of getting one of the kids something specifically from the readers of the site, both to show that Wil has created fans for them around the web, and also to show Wil the power he has over us.

Then again, I suppose if I were one of the kids, it might seem a little freaky, too. And what would we get for them? Toys might lead to spoiledness...

OOH! I have an idea. Currently, it seems brilliant--that may be badly mistaken, but hey, who reads suggestions from web posts without something of a critical eye?

I made a present for my cousins this past Christmas: a customized version of a game by a major manufacturer. In this game, the characters are each represented by cards with their photos on them--well, you can pretty easily get printable business cards, and it just requires some work with Photoshop to create cards with the pictures of the kids on them, and names to match. The board (also custom, with photos of my house for the various rooms) is a little harder--the best I could come up with was to get Kinkos to print it on large paper and laminate it. You can buy tokens and such from Cheapass Games (which is what I did--they're on the web), and that's pretty much all you need. All of these various bits cost money, but the kids REALLY like seeing themselves as a part of the game, and moving their pieces to places they've been. If Wil's kids have a game they like to play that could be converted in this way, they might really like something like that. Even better, it could be more well-connected to the readers of the site than any store-bought gift, because I (and others, no doubt) would be happy to help with the photoshopping and design of things, if this is desired.

This idea requires further thought--I foresee unforeseen problems. :-) Still, it seems worth throwing out there.

Since I post very rarely, I'll take this opportunity to give general kudos to you, Wil--nice job! I can really see where the article under your 'Being Wil Wheaton' was coming from.
-k

Posted by: kelsey at February 6, 2002 11:27 PM

Spudnuts/Wil Wheaton OR Wil Wheaton/Spudnuts

you probably want 60% of the profit too


mobile comedy, freak show, wedding chappel fearturing the traveling evangelist, & Bible Salesman, Reverend Spudnuts


Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.


Posted by: bluesman at February 6, 2002 11:27 PM

What's wrong with those party poopers? Nobody forced them to do anything....aaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Ok.

Sorry Wil... I would have loved to send something.
:(

Posted by: Patty at February 6, 2002 11:28 PM

bluesman,

I really thought long and hard about even including Wil Wheaton on the marquee, but I figure since he'll be driving the bus, he ought to have SOMETHING to show for it.

I mean...

You know.

Besides the hat.

Posted by: Spudnuts at February 6, 2002 11:37 PM

pattys right, not another peep from the petty party poopers, pity theres no pay pal for patty,

btw, its gin & juice if your wondering

Posted by: bluesman at February 6, 2002 11:41 PM

Wil, man don't worry about it. It was a totally aweomse idea. Just because people that got their wallets stuck up their asses felt the need to say shit without thinking doesnt mean that it was a bad idea. I mean dont get me wrong I cant see where they got the bad idea but let me give you some info from someone who's been down the fan club trail:
If you want to get a newletter discussing up and upcoming projects and news about a celebrity
If you want to get a pic in the mail signed by that celebrity
If you want a bumper sticker or some other lame ass piece of shit that you are gonna lose one day

All this would approximatley cost you between 15 to 30 bucks depending the celebrity.

Now, I can find out all about your up and coming events, find out whats up with you, what ya did today, how your family is doing, hear your personal opinions coming from you yourself for free. Now if you want to us to give a little something as a well deserved thank you to your wife? Hells yeah I'd give you the money!

No offense sweetie but if you were my husband, I would so torture you!! I mean come on born in Brooklyn, raised on Long Island, now living in Queens? You would never be on your freaggin pc let me tell you that much. You are a lucky man and have a very very very understanding wife. It was a novel idea and all. And you said if they wanted to its not like you threatened to kick them off your site.
Dont sweat it Wil, anyone who actually decides that this is a crappy site is crappy themselves and shouldnt be here in the first place. We still love ya Bud!
I personally would give you the money but damn I am still jobless!! I can barely afford bus fare LOL. God it sucks being unemployed in New York!

Posted by: Natalia at February 6, 2002 11:54 PM

I wasn't pissed at all, because you can ask for whatever you want, doesn't mean people have to give it.

But I think they were coming from the aspect that you dont HAVE to spend so much time on your website. You COULD spend more time with your wife, if you choose to. Perhaps, in this sense, they thought you were asking too much?

Either way, there is no need to apologize. There will always be internet piss ants. People SHOULD put their frustrations on real matters, but they like to vent it out on little shit (constantly)

Posted by: Andrea at February 7, 2002 12:24 AM

I'm a newbie to reading this site but, i was a little disappointed in reading the orignal post on this. I know i would be consiered a "meanie" by some here. I didn't think it was a great idea. I know what was behind the idea was nothing but the best of intnetions; it just came off wrong.

I know this would only get lost in the sea of comments on this one but i wanted to say that i'm glad you see both sides of this and i was relieved by the comments you made in these comments (of what i read). You made the best of what became a bad situation and because of that commend you.

Your still a neat-o guy :)

Posted by: l at February 7, 2002 01:07 AM

Damn, Wil! I'm sorry that you're not getting good thoughts on this... just read about it at UE... Even though it is a super-great idea, and you're wife totally deserves it, cause she gives you to us a whole lot, I wouldn't have been able to contribute, except to say that I hope that you two have a great, wonderful, romantic, absolutely splendiforous time. Take a vacation from us lowly peons... you deserve it. We'll miss you terribly, but we'll live.

Posted by: Jessica at February 7, 2002 01:21 AM

Fraize: Ha, ha, ha!

Scott: ROFL!!!!!! Brilliant. Wanna come write scripts for the web? You’re not Canadian by chance, are you?

I’m wondering how much bandwidth WWDN burns up in an average month. My site (a fledgling DV site) uses 30-50 gigs a month and 700 megs of disk space so I can certainly relate to that problem. Right now it’s all coming off of my partner’s credit card. But we refuse to just throw banners up, though we could have a million times over by now. If we ever were to put up banners they’d be from companies we’ve chosen, not rotating doubleclick ads where you never know what you’re gonna get.

I have a comment about the “haters” and “naysayers” (on WWDN, I don’t know about those on fark ‘cause I haven’t read the posts there). I think some of us are going a little overboard with the hater-bashing. The “dissenters” are now being referred to merely as “they.” Though I’m not one of “them,” I was, for the most part, pleasantly surprised that the majority of folks out there who didn’t like the idea said their peace in a thoughtful and honest manner and let it lie. The majority.

Sure, I think some of them overreacted but I agree with what a few of you mentioned about it having to do with the perception of celebrity. I never would have thought of it that way because I think of Wil as just a regular guy… celebrity is way down on the list of descriptors I’d use to describe the Wil we all feel we’ve gotten to know just a wee little bit through WWDN.

That wasn’t always the case, at least for me. So those who are new to this site or come and go may have read his question and went, “Wait just a minute here, this guy is a celeb (which of course means he must be wealthy and have everything all figured out), so why is he asking me for $$?” That instinct can easily take over if you don’t understand the intention behind the idea. So I say, let’s ease up on the “haters.” As far as I’m concerned, they’re still welcome here and I still want to hear their opinions as long as they’re don’t go around bashing on others.

Watching everyone deal with this mini-drama makes me feel a little closer to all of you. Everyone here is more humanized. If you want to know who your friends are, pick an argument and you’ll find out pretty quick. They’ll either seek out your intent and judge you based on your character, or they’ll jump to conclusions and stick stubbornly to their mistaken assumptions.

Sorry for the long post. Hope someone can make sense of this.

(Can you believe I’ve had writer’s block all night until now? Thanks, guys, for putting a spark back in me this evening.)

And just to get back to some level of normality, is anyone else wondering how work is going for Wil? What happened to the new, exciting opportunity at work, and how did the recent call-back(s) go?

-CarolP

Posted by: CarolP at February 7, 2002 01:23 AM

Wil,
Yesterday, my husband bought me a WWDN hooded sweatshirt for my birthday. I'll wear it, too! That will have to count as our contribution, I guess. Your idea was sweet, because (go figure) you are sweet. At least, that's the overriding impression this viewer gets when I read your posts. You seem genuine and real, warts and all. Approachable. I like that. I've been visiting for a couple of weeks now, and have thoroughly enjoyed getting to know you. I've learned a lot from your site, and have lost count of the numerous links to other interesting sites that have your site as point of origin. Makes my hours sitting at the computer more entertaining. (Husband plays UO......)
Don't feel bad because you had an idea that wasn't warmly received across the wide reach of this web thing. Who cares? Well, the fact that you do says even more about your character. (and, I don't mean the ones you play on the silver screen!)
Take your wife to dinner. Enjoy yourself. Count yourself as a lucky guy.
Best regards,
Corky
ps: I wonder if anyone in my peer group (demographics 49-54) will "get it" when I wear a WWDN sweatshirt? I'm still cool!

Posted by: Corky at February 7, 2002 01:34 AM

Okay I see that I have missed the boat (again!)
It comes of living in the UK and being several time zones away from the Wilster.
I usually wouldn't bother chipping at this point but I have just spend the last 1/2 hour reading all 170+ comments on this thread. (Hey, its better than working okay?) It took me the first 70 odd comments to work out what was going on. As soon as I did I was looking all over the place for the paypal button. It took another 30 or so entries to work out that Wil had taken it down again.
I just wanna say that I would gladly donate to a 'Say thank you to Mrs Wheaton for letting us borrow her husband so much' fund. Please put the button back up and I'll pay my share. Please?

Posted by: Pete at February 7, 2002 02:47 AM

If you can believe it, fark.com actually pulled the article and the comments off their site.

Atleast they had the common sense to stop it before it got out of hand.

Posted by: C.C. at February 7, 2002 02:54 AM

so lets lay down the facts here.
1. wil spends a large proportion of his time here, as well as going to auditions and working, and caring for two children. something's gotta give, and anne is obviously the most patient.
2. we all enjoy this site, right?
3. we thank wil on a daily basis for the site.
4. we like wil. we understand why people would want to spend time with him. we understand why his WIFE might want to spend time with him?
5. therefore, does it not make sense that we should thank her for letting us borrow him for a little bit?

honestly, people. PFFT. if you didn't like the idea, don't donate.

wil? put it back up. i didn't get a chance to say thank you to mrs wheaton for being Very Cool.

Posted by: ems at February 7, 2002 02:54 AM

Will

When i first read the proposal I had to admit I thought you were being a cheep scate, but the more I thought about it the more I thought it was a wonderful idea and how much I wished Ihad a guy who thought so much of me that he would do something so romantice.

I was pretty narked thought cos I cant conrtabute due to the fact i'm a brit, but if I could have contrinbuated I wouls have.

I love your site and your wife is a very lucky lady to have you hold her in such high regard. I hope she loves the idea as much as I do, although she might want top cool down first!?

Posted by: Beastly_spike at February 7, 2002 05:08 AM

*SIGHS*

Well, I was gonna contribute. I thought it was only fair I do. I mean, I know what its like to just want to get away frojm the cluttered house ( 3 girls ,GEEZ is it cluttered at times.) After a long weeks of 6 am mornings to 12 midnight nights, I understand what its like to want to get out !

I guess those who complained never knew what it was like to just want to do something to make up for time lost !

I liked the idea Wil ! And I dont believe you did anything wrong

Amy

Posted by: Amy at February 7, 2002 05:31 AM

I took me a while to figure out what this is all about, but let me just say that: this is your site, wil and you can do WHATEVER YOU WANT! Besides that, it's such a cuuuuuuute idea *sigh*!
Take care.

Posted by: Sabrina at February 7, 2002 05:31 AM

ENOUGH already..dead horse and all.

Does Spudnuts have a website? if not WHY NOT?

Posted by: bluecat/redblanket at February 7, 2002 05:42 AM

I, too, thought your idea was sweet & nice. I learned about it yesterday during my lunch break at work and decided I wanted to contribute. Then there was an emergency meeting (yuk!) so I was called away from my beloved WWDN. My bad luck followed me home as I could not get my computer there to function properly. So, here I am now, at work and since I'm early I thought I'd pop over to WWDN. Damn, I'm too late to contribute! Well, I hope it is indeed a real nice dinner.

Posted by: jl at February 7, 2002 05:46 AM

See-it all worked out ;)

I said it would be best if Fark should let the thread run its course. It would go away eventually when Bonaduce did something.

So Fark removed the thread.

Nobody noticed.

It went away.

All is well :D

THIS is why I am not in public relations.

Let me know if anyone needs someone to say something stupid again :)

Posted by: Jon at February 7, 2002 06:11 AM

You know, I donated and I NEVER donate to anything. Not even to FARK. SO I don't see why people got so upset. Wil, I hope you have a blast spending my 5-er with your wife. I think its cool that you will be able to go out for a nice dinner. I am not so sure about that card now though.
P.S. First post ever, just popped my cherry so to speak.

Posted by: Andy at February 7, 2002 06:19 AM

As someone who was probably labelled a "Hater" yesterday, I'm glad to hear that Wil really thought about this. In the defense of those of us who questioned his idea (many of whom did so with grace and aplomb), he did ask for opinions, both on the soapbox and then on the main page. Ask and ye shall receive, both positively and negatively. I do hope that Wil comes up with some way to defray his costs, either through ads or donation buttons, or some other means, and I also think he might want to think about creating a page or an e-mail account where people can write messages to Anne simply saying Thanks! They wouldn't have to be related to Valentine's Day, just have a button/page/address where people can say a few words to explain why they benefit from the time her husband puts into this site. It's clear that many of you do feel really strongly about Wil and his site, and sometimes, just sometimes, the written word is more powerful than the dollar, so why not have an outlet for both?

Posted by: nora at February 7, 2002 06:25 AM

Wow. What a fiasco. I came in at the totally wrong time.

*Pats Wil on the back. Hands him a beer*

I completely understand. The Hubby works for Microsoft, and people see him in logo shirts sometimes (because his entire wardrobe consists of two pairs of jeans and various logo-wear) and suddenly think that we're Uncle Bill hisself. Bullshit. We have a mortgage in a really expensive area of the country, I'm not working because I'm writing and singing for shit money full-time, we're half-supporting his deadbeat family and my redneck one, and pretty much funding about 30% of the annual budget for a local worthy nonprofit which would otherwise die without us.

And people still don't understand why we don't buy wine with our dinner. Or why we go to matinee movie showings. Or why he eats Taco Bell for lunch many days. Or why we prefer that people pay their own portion of a dinner check rather than split it evenly when they ate half the menu and we had fishlips and cheesesticks.

Some people probably think some poor obscure motherfucker like the guy who played Freddy is still walking through piles o' cash. Get a clue folks. There's dot-bombers walking around like zombies. There's Microsofties getting second mortgages because the market tanked and they had shit broker advice. And there's celebs who don't make 20 mil a picture like Tom "You know you want to fuck me" Cruise.

I stand on stage and entertain people. I don't usually get paid for it, though I'd like to. Being on the oppposite side of the 4th wall doesn't make someone a god, a zillionaire or even a nice *or* nasty person. It's just a job, folks. SAG benefits only go so far. And real people with real jobs love their families enough to try to do something nice. Word to them.

Posted by: MsAllegro at February 7, 2002 06:44 AM

(rolls eyes) ... "Geesh!" ... get a LIFE people! I'm sure there are many other petty issues you could get your panties in a bunch over. BTW, when you go to buy that $5 Super Lotto quick pick today, you better stop and think ... after all ... how GREEDY are you that you didn't donate it to charity??? Hey, I'm ALL for giving in any way that we can to those in need, but why in the world can't we do BOTH??? And who are any of YOU to tell ME, or anyone else what we can do with our money??? (wags finger) ... shame, shame, shame! All of you wannabe personal financial and morale advisors need to seriously look in the mirror and take major inventory before passing judgment on Wil's innocently-intended surprise for his wife.

Wil, you know very well that your intentions were not selfish in any way, ... I'd say from here on out, don't apologize anymore. You don't owe the nay-sayers a damn thing above and beyond the very humble statements you've already made.

{{{Hugs to you and Anne}}}

Posted by: Darlanne at February 7, 2002 07:33 AM

Well, I saw the original post. While I thought that the sentiment was in the right place, having the patrons of the site pay was not really the best idea.

Wil chooses to do the site and spend the time on it. We choose to read it. I don't really feel any responsibility for patching things up with his wife if he chooses to spend more time on it than she would like.

I'm married with a kid. I'm also a geek and programmer by profession. I created and maintain a website that maybe gets a few hits a day from family and friends. I'm not asking them to fork over money to smooth things over with the wife. Yes, I realize that a larger scale means a larger time investment.

It'd be like me asking Rockstar games to fork over some cash to smooth over the problems that my wife gives me for spending too much time with that more addictive than crack game, Grand Theft Auto III (which I notice has taken hold of Wil as well). ;-)

That being said, I didn't feel the need to send Wil and email and blast him over it. Some people have too much time on their hands (that they need to fill playing GTA III).

Get the feeling I'm addicted?

Posted by: ttrentham at February 7, 2002 07:44 AM

Wil,
Man, I hate coming in on the middle of a conversation. From what I gathered, Wil asked, rather nicely from what I can tell, for a little kickback from all of the viewers of this site to keep it running. Then he decided to shunt some of the money for the one person that, I dont' know if this is the right word, suffers the most because of this site, namely his wife. And the problem is? Anyone out there who has a family (wife, 2.3 kids, dog, etc.) knows that something like this not only takes money, but it also takes time (especially when you do it from scratch and not cheat by using something like Front Page Express), time that must come from somewhere. That time came from Wil's family and he was only trying to pay her back for this taking him away from her.
I can understand how some people might get upset and cry foul with the "begging for money" angle, but really folks, ask yourselves this one question: Would you do the same thing? Would you, if you were in Wil's position, with all his responsibilities (home & work, it is VERY hard to be an actor and get jobs when there hundreds of people trying out for the same part), try and give a little back to the people in your life that "suffer" for your passions? I would, in a New York minute.
I like Wil. We have talked once via e-mail and he was very nice. Hell, I even liked Wesley, so there. :o) So, give him a break. All he tried to do was something nice for his wife and if I had heard about this before all the fallout, and I had a credit card, I would have given him a fiver, no prob.
Wil, your wife is one lucky woman and you are one lucky man for having someone to inspire you to do something like this. Keep up the good work and don't let the bastards get you down.

Peace,
Mike Bailey

Posted by: Mike Bailey at February 7, 2002 08:05 AM

I donated 5 bucks. I think it was a great idea.

Hell, if I saw you and your wife in a bar, I'd buy a drink for you. I doubt I could do that for less than $5. So I'm gettting off cheap, here.

Take her out, have fun, and let the haters have their whinefest. Their negativity ultimately only hurts them.

Posted by: NuckleheadEd at February 7, 2002 08:06 AM

See Wil the posse still loves you...
Hey Spudnuts can we get gigalos (sp?) on the bus too? And cheese, lots of cheese.

Posted by: Gaea at February 7, 2002 08:06 AM

Though criticized for being judgemental in a 250 word blog comment may turn some folks bitter or to therapy, i am lucky to walk away with these characterizations of my personality that will be sparkling additions to my resume (under heading of "Successes in Attaining Hatred in Less than 500 words"):

"moron"
"damn you nikole, its all your fault"
"selfish"
"internet piss ant"
"meanie"
"take a perverse delight in ruining other people's day"
"eternal whiner"

just to quote a few. (i do have a job and my procrastination can only go so long.)

regardless, sorry to ruin so many people's days.

if you care to know, wil and i had a grown-up conversation privately, and much to everyone's dismay, we did not call each other names, swing bats and/or fists or even wage war on the family honor.

granted, i'm still not giving five bucks to the guy, but at least he had the couth to respect my opinion and listen. (though some celebrity fodder on my resume might boost me into a new salary bracket)

hope everyone has a great valentine's day.

and my present to you is that i won't be back.

cheers,
nikole

Posted by: nikole at February 7, 2002 08:12 AM

Wil,

Like most others, I think your heart was in the right place -- and the folks who jumped you should back off and remember the old adage about people living in glass houses throwing stones.

"Celebrity" is a funny thing. As someone who has been in the public eye too, although certainly not as much as you are, I have found "celebrity" to be an interesting experience, but it certainly doesn't define who I am (at least to myself).

I've thought about it long and hard, and still don't have all the answers about "celebrity" -- but I do appreciate people being kind and interested, and I try to reciprocate that kindness because I like to think I'm a good person, not because I just signed my book for them, or lectured, or whatever.

What I have a hard time dealing with are the assumptions people make about people in the public eye simply because of a perceived celebrity status. Those assumptions just don't ever take into account the reality of a person's life. Did you ever have something happen and think to yourself, "They don't even know me but they think *that* about me?"

The negative assumptions that they make about you (and act upon by making snide comments or whatever) really tell you MORE about them than anything else.

Wil, I admire the fact that you publicly do show your life as much as you choose, and that you share your feelings about "celebrity" with others. It's as much a part of the human condition as being a school teacher or a lawyer or a soldier and trying to communicate the reality of THAT life to someone else.

Hey -- you're a human being dealing with celebrity, and raising a family, and cooking sausages for breakfast, and worrying about your job, and all the stuff that makes us all human.

Don't let the turkeys get you down -- go have a nice dinner with Annie and have a great time!

CCP

Posted by: CCP at February 7, 2002 08:41 AM

long time lurker, first time poster

I think the idea is brilliant. My wife looks at the back of my head all evening because of the nature of my company so having the people that I slave for chip in for something nice for her would be great! They won't of course, but that is another story...

Keep up the great work, Wil!

Posted by: Brian at February 7, 2002 09:09 AM

Can I ask a couple questions?
one question is this, how many of you feel like you are close to Wil because of this site?
next.
How many of you have friends, who; you have seen look at something that they would like to get or do for their wives or girl friends, and you-(because they are your friends) wanted to help??

To me this is not a matter of did Wil beg for money. It is a matter of how many of you feel close to Wil, and as a let's say distant friend, wanted to thank his wife for putting up with this site.

I know that I value my friend's far above any monetary or material means, and I use these thing's to enjoy my life and sometimes share that enjoyment with my friends. If contributing to a valentines gift for a friends wife. Who has put up with me taking a lot of her husband's time will bring her some enjoyment then there is nothing that would prevent me from doing so.

I know some of you will say "but we are not his friends" we are just people who visit his site. Well that's fine, I am not saying I feel like a personal friend of his. I am saying that I appreciate the time and sacrafice that only a friend would usually give.

Posted by: Lobos34 at February 7, 2002 09:17 AM

I just have one thing to say on this issue. For me, I reap from this website several times a week. I have thoroughly enjoyed myself for months. I figured that I could donate a few bucks for the great entertainment I have recieved from WWDN. I can't even go to the movies for a few bucks anymore. If you don't want to donate, don't. It is not like he won't let you access the site anymore. Even uselessjunk.com now charges people. Geesh. And Wil is nice enough to let us in for free.

Posted by: Cera at February 7, 2002 09:18 AM

You have gotta be kidding me. What is the old saying? Time is Money? I have a dozen projects that I would like to do but can't. Why? because the family requires time. So when wil's wife let's him work on this site. She's giving away something that can't be taken back. His time. So where's the problem with a donation?

Posted by: shawn at February 7, 2002 09:36 AM

Wil,

I think your heart was in the right place, but you went about it wrong. I think asking for money went a bit too far. I'm sure a nice "thank-you" page to Anne from the "community" here will make her just as happy as them donating money. I think the money thing bothered me, and others, because there are so many other people who put hours into their sites and, consciously or not, neglect their spouses. But, that's all water under the bridge. ... and I don't hate ya!

Posted by: Anne at February 7, 2002 10:27 AM

Make your wife dinner. If you had received 200 from all the fans...let's see you'd be talking approx. 500.00 for one dinner, yes? That's a helluva lotta dinner, Wil. Get a real job in addition to the s/p superstar gig. Doesn't selling stuff on eBay for hundreds of dollars get your wife a dinner?
Sage advice:
Live within your means.

Posted by: Nice try, wil...but... at February 7, 2002 10:33 AM

hey, I thought the idea was sweet, but flawed. What's the point of "comments" if we cannot voice an opinion on a topic? On another note, I thought I had tried to be sensitive (because I WAS) and I really didn't mean any harm by disagreeing. But there were some people that were out and out awful and disrespectful.

I don't know if that's because all their life their own ideas have been met with snide derision and hostility, but that's just not cool.

In a society where concepts of good, evil, peace, war, and all the shades of grey in between are a daily mental grind (that is if you think about stuff) I think it would be in everyone's best interest to consider the value of diplomacy and sensitivity to other points of view.

Peace.

Posted by: matt at February 7, 2002 10:53 AM

Not cool asking for money like that. I agree with you Wil, interesting idea, but not thought through completely. Make $$ through the sale of your merchandise, which I would buy, to fund the site and its overhead (loss of personal time, etc.). I agree with others that it is a good idea to unplug for the weekend, come up for air, and enjoy each other.

Posted by: turk0182 at February 7, 2002 10:59 AM

bluecat/redblanket queried:

>> Does Spudnuts have a website?

You're soaking in it.

Posted by: Spudnuts at February 7, 2002 11:17 AM

climbing onto the dead horse ..um.. soap box for my two cents worth.

it comes down to this folks: it's Wil's site. it doesn't matter which side of the controversy you came down on. he can do whatever he wants to do with it. period.

Posted by: deborah at February 7, 2002 11:27 AM

Ok.. so admittedly I didnt donate, but I thought it was quite a good idea. I can't see why anyone would feel the need to personally attack you wil. If they dont like the idea, then dont donate.. I might understand people getting annoyed if the site was plastered in adverts, popups, popunders, etc etc - but this site is about as free as it comes.

Some people... *tsk*

Posted by: Chicane-UK at February 7, 2002 11:35 AM

Wil,

I think what people tend to forget, is that celebs are people too. They have feelings, they do things that maybe everyone doesn't agree with.

Truly drink in the thought you posted today. "Only those who do nothing please everyone."

Alot of us thought it was a great idea. Or, at least a decent idea. Sure, some people won't like it. But I'm sure there will always be someone who doesn't like something you say or do. There are always those who look at the negative, or see things through cynical-shaded glasses. Wot color is cynical, anyway?

People are more then willing to buy shirts to support the site, as long as they feel they are getting something from it. Wait... I'm going to stop rambling before someone gets all grr about what I'm saying.

Sufficed to say Wil. You rock.

Namaste,
RevX

Posted by: RevXaos at February 7, 2002 11:43 AM

Anne said: I think the money thing bothered me, and others, because there are so many other people who put hours into their sites and, consciously or not, neglect their spouses.

So, because you have a guilty conscience for neglecting your spouse, you rag on Wil for wanting to try and make it up (in some small way) to his spouse? Why does what Wil does have anything to do with the hours you spend on your site? The man wanted to do something nice. Some folks volunteered to be a part of it. Explain to me again how it's any of your business?

No wait, don't bother. See, 'cause it isn't.... plain and simple.

Posted by: NuckleheadEd at February 7, 2002 12:00 PM

I thought it was a totally nice idea - I'm grateful to your wife for letting you entertain us at her expense. I would have contributed if you hadn't yanked the post before I got to. So....THANKS, ANNE!

Posted by: Sihaya at February 7, 2002 12:04 PM

RevXaos said:

>> I think what people tend to forget, is that celebs are people too.

Goddammit!

Can we stop with the crazy talk?

Celebs.

Are NOT.

Human.

Alright. Listen.

Your standard celeb is an infiltration unit. Part man, part machine. Underneath, it's a hyperalloy combat chassis, mircoprocessor-controlled, fully armored. Very tough...

But outside, it's living human tissue. Flesh, skin, hair... blood. Grown for the celebs by ex-Stasi plastic surgeons in Argentinian rehab communes.

The Milton Berle/Sid Caesar series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy. But these Gen-X models are new. Like the Wheaton 1000.

They look human. Sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot.

They are fully capable of creating blogs or even writing the occasional email, but...

They are NOT human.

Posted by: Spudnuts at February 7, 2002 12:13 PM

I think a buck is a small price to pay for great entertainment. I wish I would've gotten a chance to contribute..

last i knew you were still kicking the idea around, next it's already pulled off the site
*pout*
I thought it was a wonderful idea, I'm always supportive when a guy is romantic and good to his women (god knows i suck at it, being romantic that is)

Posted by: mecharossilla at February 7, 2002 01:31 PM

Wow...amazing what one misses out on if not checking up on this website on an almost hourly basis!

Wil, if I can be allowed to just throw in my 2 cents worth, and try not to "milk this subject dry"...

First off...SCOTT!! TOO FUNNY!!! Your post had me laughing my butt off!! Thank you!! Bringing humor into a "situation" which, I feel, has gotten very in-depth is great! And, thanks too goes to the likes of Spudnuts, Roughy and bluesman...keep those postings coming!

I'm glad to have read, Wil, that you are planning on doing what you had originally planned on doing. I missed out on the whole initial "plan", but would also be totally accepting of some sort of PayPal button we can willingly donate for flowers or what-have-you. I have no idea what bandwidth costs, but from what I've read in other postings, it must be mucho. So, $5 a pop from those who want to give, isn't asking too much, in my humble opinion. For the amount of entertainment we all get from being able to link to this website, that isn't a whole lot to ask.

Thanks goes not only to your wife, whom you share a sincere love for (which is totally awesome!), but also to your "kids", Nolan and Ryan.

I'm not claiming to be any kind of wizened old sage..but, there have been plenty of great postings here and I thank those with good intentions.

Keep up the good work, Wil...you and your lovely wife have an awesome Valentine's Day!

Give the kids a hug,
Mark

Posted by: Mark at February 7, 2002 01:41 PM

BoingBoing asks for donations. Hell, even plastic was asking for donations for a while and those guys went under with the dot-bomb (back when they were SUCK, which I read religiously). Put the button back up. I won't contribute, but I'll feel guilty (like during NPR pledge week). The better the sin, the worse the guilt. Love the site.

Posted by: TVsFrank at February 7, 2002 01:42 PM

What a total shallow cock you are. Grow up and get a clue

Posted by: DogBoy at February 7, 2002 01:54 PM

DogBoy, such language. If I wanted flames from you I'd look in one of the AOL grease me up chat rooms. Please hand the mike to someone who can count past 16 bits.

Posted by: TVsFrank at February 7, 2002 02:29 PM

Now wait a minute! I did not agree with the idea at all - and I am not a negative person.

I know Wil loves his wife very much, but I was able to see the difference between a nice gesture and a mistake. I thought it was overstated and over-the-top. If he'd just put a jokey, discreet button on the page it wouldn't have made us question it. There was a lot of doubt in his post, wondering if it would go down well, which told me that even he wasn't sure it was a good idea.

He knows when to say sorry and my respect (not that it matters) returned. He's learning the hard way, like most of us do.

If he'd left it up, the web community and world press would have been quick to slam him for "taking advantage of his fans" and it would have ruined his reputation for good. You all trust and love him, but not everyone does.

Posted by: Ang at February 7, 2002 02:51 PM

Ang said:

>> You all trust and love him, but not everyone does.

No.

EVERYONE does.

Or they soon will.

I swear the fuck on the grave of all of my dead grammas and other people's dead grammas, that the world WILL love him!

Chinese people, Japanese people, African people, people in other countries, pygmies, lolos, Sand People, mermen, Merman, sprites, gnomes, pixels, Dig Dug, J-Lo, the NEW Spiderman, Americans, and that greasy crack-whore FUCK Roeper of "Ebert & Roeper" will ALL bend a knee.

Or choke the Internet with our English dead!

This I pledge.

Upon this mouse.

Upon this tupperware which... until... quite recently held TWO corn muffins I made with raspberries, strawberries, blueberries, wheat germ, raisin bran, oats, raisins... you'd think with all that stuff they'd be good, but lemme tell you...

THEY SUCKED!

I'm still eating them though.

You are either with Wil.

Or you are against Him.

Posted by: Spudnuts at February 7, 2002 03:55 PM

Hey! Someone want to clue me in on what the mess was all about? I missed the idea or something....what was everyone having fits about? I read Wil's stuff nearly every day and I didn't see anything that'd upset me...was it not on the site? Anyway, let me in on it would ya?!

Posted by: Jamie at February 7, 2002 04:03 PM

I think everything has been said except maybe this: Tell your wife what happened! You know she will hear from this... a customer, a friend of a friend... It will come out, and she will be freaked out. Big time. Tell her Wil...

Posted by: MrSpock at February 7, 2002 04:20 PM

I'm really sorry your idea didn't work out so well. I would have donated, but as I'm only 15 and credit card-less... so that means I would have to borrow from my mom. Needless to say, she didn't quite understand. Please give my regards to your wife. She has been extremely generous in "sharing" you with us, and I can't express how much I appreciate getting to know the real Wil Wheaton (sort of). And I don't think you were grubbing for money at all.

Posted by: Aura at February 7, 2002 04:31 PM

Actually, I like the idea that Scratch suggested. I mean, heck, how cool would it be for your wife to be on the regular flower dole? If not that, something else.

I TOTALLY missed the debacle here and am only seeing the aftermath. I'm more than a little surprised that it turned into such a big deal. Asking for a few bucks to help treat your wife for her patience with everything is so very little to ask for, especially when you consider it was completely voluntary. I see so many other folks practically beg for money (*cough*Salon*cough*) that a little donation button should not have fazed anyone. Whatever.

If you put it back up, you'll get my $5. I like the site, I know what its like to make your significant other a computer widow (Ever work as a Java Programmer for a startup? She forgot my name for a while) and I know that, had my former employers done somethign nice for my girlfriend, she would have been FAR more understanding.

Posted by: Docricketts at February 7, 2002 04:48 PM

Wil,

Take your wife out to dinner. Have a good time. Make the card and have it signed and make it fun. Your intentions are noble, and you shouldn't have to worry about those who don't like your idea. Those that support it have done so. Those that won't, won't.

"To be great is to be misunderstood."
-Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

Posted by: Joe at February 7, 2002 05:41 PM

Yipes, I give up my lurking ways for two measly days due to "extensive lack of ability to keep even a rice cracker in my salmonella blasted stomach" disease and all hell breaks loose at Uncle Willie's!

Having said that I would've donated, and yknow why?

Because some sites charge you just for the honour of finding out they're crap. And some sites make you close four billion farkin' pop ups so you can see what's on the actual page. And Wil's DOESN'T. Some people just have no idea when they've got it sweet. The idea of giving something back in such a nice way seems perfectly acceptable to me.

Besides, has anyone yet pointed out that, money or no money, a person who will pay a creative level of attention to their spouse on V-day is getting increasingly rare and should be encouraged?

Hang on, I'm supposed to be lurking......y'all didn't see this, right?

Posted by: ginch at February 7, 2002 06:18 PM

um... i woulda, except i just applied for food stamps yesterday. of course, today i finally got a job after 8 months of unemployment. have a nice valentine's day

Posted by: erin at February 7, 2002 06:49 PM

What a cool idea. What a really, REALLY, cool idea! To anyone who had a problem with it, it's not like he came to your door or anything. You're in HIS house.

Wil, I hope you and the babe have a great time. Don't feel sorry for being real. The thing I love most about this site is that it IS like visiting a friends place. Out of all the celebrities I know of, you're the one I'd most like to meet in person, 'cause I already ~know~ you're cool from what I see here.

Posted by: Twitch at February 7, 2002 08:03 PM

And here come my two copper coins.

You rock, Wil. Always have. I really do hope that Anne knows (and I'm sure she does) just what a treasure you are and how lucky she is.

It was a sweet, tender idea. Put up a flower button, and you'll have a lot of people willing to chip in. Heck, put up a flower button AND a bandwidth button. I'll just bet you'd be surprised at how many people adore you. And I'm right there in the middle. *quick hug*


Oh, BTW, Spudnuts...don't ever change. My stomach hurts from laughing so hard.

Posted by: whisper at February 7, 2002 08:17 PM

Let's start a "campaign"...

Flower button. Bandwidth button.

You choose.

Hope Wil reads this and listens to the masses... :o )

With the other sheep,
Mark

Posted by: Mark at February 7, 2002 08:25 PM

Aw shit.

*AS IF* there's not a whole LOT more stuff in life to worry about.

Come on people - give the guy a break!

Think of it this way:
He's just a guy like you and me - well not me - I'm a girl ;) and he's just having a good time writing and interacting with the web.

That's why it's here isn't it? If not, then WHY are YOU even here reading this?

How many lameassed so-called "web designers" have "Wish" list and ask for donations for doing what? Adding another worthless piece of html or jscript or css BS to the web while they charge $150.00 bones an hour for what they call "web design?"

Hell, even I have a wish list.

Am I getting a new asshole reamed for it? Nope.

Right now - I am sitting here having a glass of port with my husband - and we happened to come across this post. Frankly, our advice to people who had nothing better to do than BITCH about someone else's site need to get a life.

OK - We're hypocrites - we're bitching about you people - well, whatever. Maybe the difference is:

We're doing it with a great port wine, a great man (and woman) and a huge smile ;D as we wonder what kind of people have nothing better to do than to rag on a guy for just being himself.

Sheezus.

We say: Ask for more money - why the hell not! If it's FUN and you're not hurting anyone then DO IT!

Don't let these buffoons bug ya man - people like that are NOT worth it.

(P.S. C'mon all you people in need of lives - bitch at us. We don't give a rip. Go Will and his Wife! (Sorry - we forgot her name :-|)

Posted by: Kimberly & Holger Warzelhan at February 7, 2002 09:37 PM

OK here I go again...
>>funny thing is, I let people say things to me that I would never let them say to other people

I am the *same* way. I swear I could SLAY certain people for the things they say to others - but I just don't care what people say to me. It just doesn't matter.

So, I propose we all just be on the lookout for each other and make an oath to defend one another on each others' blogs should the need arise. What do you guys think?


Disclaimer: Not caring what people say includes ME only. If you take it upon yourself to insult my *professional* persona - then there will be hell to pay - see blog for more if you:
A.) Give a Rip.
B.) Would like to witness a good asschewing.

Posted by: Kimberly at February 7, 2002 09:51 PM

Hey Wil,

can't see the problem here - you either would give, or you wouldn't, right.

Simple choice, and everyone's FREE choice.

So get off his case guys...k?

CM

Will, you totally rock...

Posted by: CharlieMouse at February 8, 2002 04:28 AM

Oh For Crying Out LOUD! whether it was posted as "donations to keep the site running" or "i'd love to take my sensational wife who supports and love me and all that i do out to dinner on St.V'day" fund... it doesn't matter. the money goes to you/Wil. you/Wil will have more money to do things that are good. it all ends up here in some way, with this staying the best damned celeb/general/brilliantstuff site that i have found. am i making any sense here? hmmm...

- sites are funded by money.
- money comes from those who _want_ to give.
- the money goes to the person/people who run the sites.
- they use the extra cash they obtain to keep their lives running as well as maintain a rockin site.

may i just say bollocks to those haters, Wil - stick in a button, and let peeps who wanna give, GIVE! feeel the luuuuurrrrve.

ps. Wil u rock. i love the 'lame'ness. mmm lame...

Posted by: kittz at February 8, 2002 06:12 AM

I agree. P.O. Box, P.O. Box, P.O. Box.
I missed what happened, but I understand it.
I thought that was a cool idea. And not because it came from uncle Willie. You have a cool wife and what better way to say thank her for putting up with your posse? And I know this has been said alot, but if you don't have a P.O. Box I suggest that you get one so that if people can and want to can contribute. I think we need to thank Ann more than once. And if she happens to see this, I think that your a pretty cool woman.
And Wil, try to forget what those asses think.
I know people like that. All they want to do is pick. They can dish it out, but they can't take it. I'm speaking from experience.

Saying of the day: SPOOT.

Posted by: ymous_annon at February 8, 2002 07:13 AM

lastees!

Posted by: Roughy at February 8, 2002 10:34 AM

Nuh-uh, Roughy. 8-D

Posted by: whisper at February 8, 2002 10:35 AM

lastees!

Posted by: Roughy at February 8, 2002 11:00 AM

Wil- I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to donate before you took it down. I thought that it was a wonderfully sweet idea, and the fact that you care so damn much about what everyone thinks makes you even nifitier than you already are. =) *hugs*

Posted by: setf at February 8, 2002 12:57 PM

Addicted to your site. Luv it! Wasn't crazy about the trolling for moolah, regardless of the good intentions. But I just ignored it anyways, cuz I'm waay too cheap. As you are aware, it's your humanity that makes your website so wonderful. Your enthusiasm, honesty, and the genuine way you treat your cyberpals as intimate friends. To rephrase what many have already said, it's the fact that you are such a 'mensch' (good guy) that makes you such a vulnerable target. Just try to shrug off the negatives, and enjoy your life, your family, and your website. And
good night Mrs. Kalabash - Wherever you are...

Cheers, Joycie. PS. I wrote you an email a couple of months ago, and never received a reply. POUT. Still cant let a day go by without checking up on your site. love it love it love it. Hugs!

Posted by: JOYCIE at February 8, 2002 03:21 PM

First time writer, long time reader - just to let you know Wil, you have my support over this one.

Posted by: Mike Bisson at February 9, 2002 12:46 PM

Goodness it took a long time to read all those comments.

I guess I'm one of the haters, although I certainly don't think of my intentions as malicious or anything.

I just thought it was crass to ask for money, especially from people who don't have much.

I think most people are under the impression that as a celebrity you have money to burn. I have no idea if this is true or not.

I think it's a lovely idea for readers to show support and say thankyou to your wife for putting up with your behavior. Because as some have said, you choose to create and maintain a blog. What would happen if you didn't post for a day? Do you think the world would end?

The best thing you could do would be to take the whole day off. Post a message saying you're not posting for the day cause you're spending time with Anne. Make a page (on a "free" server, no bandwidth cost!) for your fans to sign in appreciation.

You seem like a sweet guy with good intentions. I'm glad you reconsidered.

Posted by: Row at February 9, 2002 08:06 PM

Will, it may have been a stunt that got you attention but not the good kind. Asking people for money to buy your wife dinner makes you sound like a tight-ass who would rather sit in front of your PC than spend time with her. Can't you think of something romantic to do without scabbing $5 off your fans who probably don't have much to spare. And to those people who did give the money so you could sit at home in front of your PC just waiting for the dinner update in the blog and think to yourself "i paid for that mouthful of wine" get a fucking life. Wil's just a person, he's nothing special, he's no better than you or I.

Posted by: Sara at February 10, 2002 02:29 PM

Hey Sara - I didn't donate, but if I had seen it, I probably would have. Not to sit and wait for an update, but just because Wil was thinking of his wife. That's called a "selfless" act. Look it up - it may help you gain friends in the future, because obviously your attitude now prevents that. He wasn't "scabbing" money - he asked. Spell it for me. A-S-K-E-D. I think your animosity toward the whole thing is due to you not having someone do things of that sort for you. Don't take out your shortcomings on other people - the man was simply trying to make his wife happy, and felt he could share that with his fans and friends, by letting them contribute. I think it would be awesome to say "Hey Honey, all my friends and fans contributed this money so we can go out and have a nice dinner! Isn't that awesome of them? Let's go eat, and take some pictures and stuff, and have a good time!" I mean - c'mon now - it's a farking dinner, not a Porsche. *shakes his head* Ok, enough ranting for me. Wil, you go d00d. Your wife is obviously luckier than mine... lol (although I've done similar things - I'm an old-fashioned romantic mush sometimes too... )
PS. What is it with these m0r0ns saying "from people that don't have much to donate" or "from people not as fortunate" or "from people that don't really have it". Don't tell me I can't afford to send Wil 5 bucks! Really now - that's one helluva generalization that I don't want to be included in, thanks.

Posted by: Rob Piazza at February 10, 2002 04:00 PM

Are all of you people freaks? So star-struck by some washed up actor that you would actually donate your own money to him so that he could take his wife out for Valentine's Day? What is wrong with you? Are you all brain-washed? That's got to be it. Somehow Wil Wheaton, hence now known as Commander Lame-O, has this brain altering pulse machine that is activated when morons visit his site. And when these morons do visit, they are stunned into total belief that Commander Lame-O is all-knowing and that they should fall at his feet and agree with whatever he says and does and donate money whenever he feels like it, even though he probably has more money than the morons who visit his site. What's next Commander Lame-O? You need your gold tooth recapped? Need new tires for your I-AM-A-God-Mobile? Puhleeze. Someone needs to help the morons before they are totally lost, then again, why would we want to save anyone who would even think about donating money to this lame cause?

Posted by: Just a girl at February 10, 2002 05:08 PM

oh PLEASE. if it was such a selfless act, he would have scrapped up his own money to take his OWN wife out. get your nose outta Wil's ass, man. seriously.

Posted by: alie at February 10, 2002 05:19 PM

feh. i saw your little "leo" page there.... a frigging femmy groupie tellin me to get MY nose outta someones ass? g0d i love this interweb thing, it shows how fscking retarted some people can be.

Posted by: Rob Piazza at February 12, 2002 08:25 PM

a little something I read from a site:

*************

Because my phone line has been iced-over and sporadic this week, I am just now getting around to posting this. Which, coincidentally, compounds my fury. Angry and impotent. Funfunfun.
I prolly can't add anything to the argument. This, this (

Here's the breakdown, if you don't have the stomach to go and read it yourself:
Wil Wheaton, whom I have previously mentioned for his repulsive antics, has suggested to his readers that they might like to donate money toward a nice Valentine's Day shagfest 'for his wife' (uh, pardon me, young Wheaton, won't you be going out with her??) since he spends so much time away from her, working on his website 'for his fans'.

Let me briefly touch on my own personal objections to this:
~ Could young Wheaton not use his celebrity for a better cause than garnering donations for a fancy night on the town? Blogathon, perhaps?
~ Why is he special because he's broke? Do like the rest of us do, monkeyboy, and make a nice dinner at home if yer strapped for cash....
~ Wheaton gives nothing, and I mean nothing back to the blog community. Ever see him linking any 'commoner's' blogs? Ever see him comment ON them? He auto-responds a gross percentage of his e-mails, fer Chrissakes!
~ This is NOT the same as putting an innocuous button somewhere on your site to defray costs. This is guilt for neglecting family in favor of site.
~ The same people who are clamoring to give their last five bucks are the ones who rarely (if at all) donate to a worthy and respectable cause. *pardon me while I vomit* I'd bank on that one.
~ Valentine's Day is about YOU doing something special for YOUR beloved....NOT finding a way for others to foot the bill. Lemme tell you something...if *I* am the one paying, *I* better byGod be the one getting the fine piece of ass at the end of the evening.
~ The lovely Ms. Wheaton has previously asked her spouse not to involve her or her sons in any great degree with/on his site. She has also requested that he throttle back on the site some. Past activity on his site plainly shows that he has ignored both of these simple requests. If *he* doesn't value his wife (and by virtually ignoring her requests he evidences this), then why the fuck should his readership??

My own lovely Maxim Superior, who normally doesn't give two shits about the weblogging end of the internet, peeked in on wil's site to get the skinny for himself after I sketched it all out. His pacifist tendencies flew out of the window and he sent Young Wheaton an e-mail. It said something along the lines of, "Hey, dickface, after you rake in the cash from the saps, why don't you multiply it by three and send it on along to me. The money you are collecting for one fucking meal could probably feed my humble family of five for a fucking MONTH."

Well said, Mr. Superior. I just knew you had it in ya.

50,000 monkeys at 50,000 typewriters can be wrong. They certainly are this time.


Jett Superior laid this on you 5:20:04 PM :: scoop it :: 3 already spilled

Posted by: Jeremie at February 12, 2002 10:42 PM

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Posted by: SLiDERPiMP at February 13, 2002 03:48 AM

Sheesh. Don't like the site? Quit reading it. Wil's certainly nicer than I would be. I'd have firewalled the lot of you off and cast your memories to the seas for all I'd care.

Oh, and Wil? My SO says she thought it's a sweet idea. Bollocks to the idiots who have the nerve to flame for the contents of a private site.

Posted by: WesM at February 13, 2002 01:51 PM

lol.. Rob, I have no idea who you're talking about, but I'm certainly no femmy, princess. methinks you went to the wrong damn site. for future reference, you can find me here: creatureofcomfort.org/journal

ta ta.

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