Incidentally, I know that there are lots of people who don't agree with Michael Moore.

Usually, those people like to let everyone know how much they hate him, and call him lots of names.

Well, I'm not paying for bandwidth for idiots to spew their hate.

So don't even. I'm tired of the bullshit, people.

Hey, Wil. Wasn't a fan of Wesley (my favorite bit in all of ST:TNG was the 'Shut up, Wesley!' sequence), but your blog is incredibly cool. Nice _People_ spread, by the way, and your stepkids are adorable as hell.

Just wanted to give you a heads-up that Michael Moore has a mailing list. If you're a fan of "The Awful Truth," you'd definitely want to subscribe to it — I think you can do so on his website. He also has a new book coming out later this month.

Cluelessly, I had never heard of Michael Moore. But now I have. I'll keep my eyes open for those shows, and hopefully he will just happen to come here and see your letter. Cheers!

Let me provide the URLs:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/mailing/mailinglist.html

Add "Stupid White Men" to your Amazon list:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060392452/ref=ase_dogeatdogfilms/

[The link is off Mike's website, so the 'dogeatdogfilms' bit will give him a couple cents in addition to the royalty he's getting on the book. :-)]

Thank god for people like Michael Moore and I think thats all I need to say about that.

Yeah, I already signed up for the mailing list :)

Wil, if you can, dig up some of the archives from what he sent out before. I'm pretty sure they're somewhere on his site. He sent out some CHOICE stuff during the whole Emper-*cough*-President Bush fiasco going on. Quite a talented guy. I love his stuff to death and he obviously knows so much of what's going on. Sometimes he's a bit rabid and I fear that detracts from the credibility he might get otherwise, but then sometimes I think that's part of his je-ne-sais-quo. Or however the hell you spell that.

BTW, y'all, I should just say I figured out how to use procmail to zap a lot of spam going to my address. I am quite happy.

-- Mike the Geek
(not to be confused with Mike the Greek)

procmail is fun. if you really want to kill some spam, get spamassassin &/or razor going.

razor is razor.sourceforge.org. spamassassin is someplace else. google it.

I like the word "assassin". It has "ass" in it not once, but twice.

michael moore is cool. haven't caught his show for a while. You know what I really like right now? I like those "Truth" commercials about smoking.

You can also get his DVDs here.

http://www.dvdempire.com/

30.45 - 29.95

-------------------------------------------------http://video.barnesandnoble.com/

32.99

Michael Moore is an extremely funny and talented man...I haven't got to see his latest series, but after Wil's glowing review, I'm going to now.

Take care,
Mark

I've seen his show a few times. Some of the stuff he does is really funny, other times I think he steps over the line. For the most part though, I think I agree with most of what he says...well, what I've heard of what he says so far.

He is definately a very interesting guy, no matter how you look at it.

I have to admit, I loved watching Moore stick it to Humana. I remember watching it when it first aired and I was thrilled when I found the DVD's a few weeks ago. I think my favorite sketch has to be "Hitler makes a Withdrawal". I think it is about half way through disk 2. You're gonna love it. Have fun with your new toy, it is six hours of pure fun.

I have to admit, I loved watching Moore stick it to Humana. I remember watching it when it first aired and I was thrilled when I found the DVD's a few weeks ago. I think my favorite sketch has to be "Hitler makes a Withdrawal". I think it is about half way through disk 2. You're gonna love it. Have fun with your new toy, it is six hours of pure fun.

Oh yes, dear Michael Moore. He's the sweet guy who posted an essay after 9/11 that said, among other things, that the WTC tragedy wasn't so bad, since most of the people in the buildings were probably Republicans. Of course, you won't find that in his archives, since he quickly made it disappear once he noticed that people actually read his website.

The guy seems to have a major chip on his shoulder. And now that Rush is no longer overweight, maybe we can dub Michael "the big fat idiot" of politics. Oops, sorry, no name-calling. :)

I met Michael Moore when I used to help run the lecture series at my old university. He's a really cool guy in real life... he even picked up my copy of "Downsize This!" and wrote a message in it when I was off doing something else. (;

[bullshit bandwidth withdrawal]

Uh, Mr. Wheaton, change the contents of the topic.. filter out the email address.

Given that you're not answering email currently, perchance Mr. Moore doesn't want his posted as well?

Just a thought.

Regardless, good stuff from Mr. Moore in the past. Look forward to whatever he releases in the future.

CymJas
Posting via Internet Explorer under duress

Hey Wil

This is my first time posting, but when I saw the Michael Moore stuff, I couldn't resist. I had the pleasure of seeing him speak back during the Lewinsky scandal. He did a priceless reading of "The Starr Report," which was especially interesting since there was an interpreter trying her best to keep up with him.

I know he has a tendency to rub people the wrong way from time to time. Even friends of mine that are big fans of him were annoyed by some of his Sept 11 comments. But, I can appreciate the interesting persepctives he presents from time to time, although sometimes his timing isn't the best.

By the way, I don't remember if it was the first episode or not, but watch for the episode with the witch hunt. The mob scenes at the end were actually filmed in Madison, WI. I was in there somewhere, but I'm not onscreen at all. It was a fun time though. About a thousand people out on the library mall chanting "Legislators! Fornicators!" and a few other things. It's a shame that more of it didn't make it into the piece. But it was a blast to shoot!!!

We need more people like Michael Moore in the media. I don't always agree with him, but he's great at pointing out the outrageous excesses corporations get away with.

The weirdest part is that one quite believes me when I explain that the reason he wrote "Thanks for holding my hand on the way to the little boys' room" was because I was the only one with a key to the dressing room...

As for his having a major chip on his shoulder or stepping over the line... yeah, but he usually has a point.

-somewhat in the dark- i am sure i know who Micheal Moore is but this cold is kicking my ass and my mind isn't woring to good right now, one thing is for sure this is why i come here to learn about new things and hear about new web sites. As for the whole "Mr.Wheaton" not answering his own e-mail Dude! give the guy a break- he's only human and he is busy with lots of projects and being a dad in case some of you are not keeping up. "Wil",if your reading this keep up the great work!

"Roger & Me" was required viewing in my SOC 131 (Social Problems)class and I believe that our society needs more people like him.

Like him or hate him, he has the ability to force you to look outside the GroupThink mentality that governments and corporations try to ply on us.

Independent thought is a precious thing.

Kim

Oh man, I love Michael Moore. I have to get that dvd... NOW.
Molly

Michale Moore posts his email address right on his own website, so I figured it would be okay to post it here.

I think that's why his inbox is full. One can only hope as many people spend energy hating him as they do me.

mmoore kickth ath.

i totally would have tried to help the "dead guy" had i been at lunch over that way the day they shot that. i'm kinda horrified that we (toronto) won by default.

jbay is the pickle guy.

Hating takes up too much energy. I wish more people would realize that.

I remember watching that "dead guy" episode and thinking, I can't believe people just stepped over him! Even if they thought he was just some homeless drunk, would it have killed them to try and find out if he was OK?

yeah, when i saw it i thought, "shit. how did i not go to lunch by spadina that day?" (I was working a couple of blocks from Queen/Spadina at that point)

Bad representation, my friend. I at the very least call an ambulance when people are down and out cold.

Actually, I think the ambulance people & cops hate me at this point, but hell, I'm 5'4", I'm not going to heft people back into their wheelchairs and the like without dropping them.

I love Michael Moore. I had to watch "Roger and Me" in a social science class and couldn't believe how funny and sad it was (except for the rabbit lady, she was just scary). There is such impact on that film, it really shows how a corportation can control, and destroy a town.

Have you read "When Corporations Rule the World" by David C. Korten? It's an excellent book, I think you'd really enjoy it.

Good for you, Gigi! It's too bad that people try to sue "Good Samaratans" these days.

People who are not only funny, but have a social conscience.

Fear them.

Sorry, I don't mean to get vitrolic here, folks — but BurntHombre, that's bullshit.

Go over to Google! Groups and get the message he supposedly deleted from his website where he says what you claim he did. His stuff always gets reposted on newsgroups, and, using the Advanced Group Search, you can even narrow the search to every message posted between 9/11/01 and 10/07/01 (there's a 10/8/01 post on his site) that has the words "Michael Moore" in it.

Shouldn't take you more than 5 minutes to find the message to backup your claim. Enough people hate him enough there that they would have jumped all over him in a second had he said that.

I'll tell you what *I* found, and that was a 9/11/01 letter that said, "Many families have been devastated tonight. This just is not right. They
did not deserve to die."

It said, "Let's mourn, let's grieve, and when it's appropriate let's examine our
contribution to the unsafe world we live in. It doesn't have to be like this."

So, tell me, where did he gleefully dance over the graves of Republicans and say it was okay that they all died?

I'm waiting ... please. I'll eat a nice big helping of crow if you can backup your words, I promise. Otherwise, said bird will be on YOUR plate.

I await what I imagine will be a vast, echoing silence on your part ...

the awful truth is on dvd? ~salivates~ i haven't seen it since i moved to indiana and got stuck with crappy cable...oh, i need...

I remember when we watched "Roger and Me" in AP US History. That movie was great.

My friend is making cock jokes at me. I must depart and show her the error of her ways...

by making worse ones.

I think Micheal Moore has some intelligent, political beliefs that are just downright common sense. I don't know if anyone here ever read his open letter to George Bush, but it was very well written.

wil said:

>> One can only hope as many people spend energy hating him as they do me.

Oh, boo hoo.

Stop bitching about a 90% approval rating.

I freaking loved "Roger & Me" and idolized Moore, but then his myopic flailing on behalf of that shitheel Nader queered the deal for me.

ever spend a little while reading a bloggie about someone you know nothing about?
I'm so gonna get flamed.
I don't know who Mr. Michael Moore is.
However, I want to thank, i think itwas mike harris? who put the link, i'm gonna visit it now and inform myself.
Later
Drax'n

The first episode? Man, can someone tell me what happened I missed this one where he saved a man's life. Someone explain what happened to me please. Email me the details if its too much to post here. I'm not like HUGE fan of his but I've wathced a few episodes and enjoyed them very much.

the mosh pit episode is a classic.

Mike Harris,

I think BurntHombre was exaggerating a bit when he made his comment about what Moore said regarding the WTC attack.

I remember the link to the column/screed/rant was posted on fark.com, and although he didn't outright say that the attacks really weren't all that bad since mostly Republicans died, there did seem to be an underlying message that somehow we had it coming to us and that we deserved what we got.

I don't remember which season it was in, but the episode where he tries to run a ficus for congress in NJ is so awesome.

The ficus becomes really popular and the people running the election cover it up! It's both hilarious and creepy!

And then people start running ficuses (fici?) all over the country, and it smelt like revolution.

I would tell you all to check out the campaign's site, www.ficus2000.com, but apparently it's now become a porn portal.

ANTIWILENERCO, a subsidiary of FuzzyBunny Inc. , closed today up 5/8, now trading at 24 and 3/8.
I see Moore hasn't scheduled Texas for his book tour. Yet. That would seem the natural place to go.

That's fowl.

Michael Moore is one of the few people with the werewithal to challenge our media-controlled socio-political world as it stands right now.

Thankfully we have the internet to unite ourselves behind righteous causes and for all of us to start looking past what NBC/CBS/ABC/FOX/CNN have to blind us with.... since the Supreme Court gave the presidency to the Shrub we all need to impower ourselves with KNOWLEDGE. By having sites like WWDN and www.michaelmoore.com and start LEARNING and SHARING our INFORMATION so we will not be blinded by the latest mcnewsbyte!

I've seen so many horrible changes in the last 20 years in our corporate thinking - your parents (with your mom being a stay at home type with any luck) may well have worked for their company/business for their ENTIRE adult life -- what about us?

I worked sooo many jobs before I landed at the state (and not through my inaction - I was LAID OFF in 1986) and yet like many people I also work a SECOND JOB (as does my husband). We not are not huge materialistic types, we have to work to keep our heads above water.

Do we have a living wage? NO!

Do we have affordable child care? NO!

DO we have proper living standards for the disabled? NO!

DO we have employers standing behind their employees? NO!

DO all employers support their employees with benefits and insurance? NO!

WE must rise up and make those changes.
The rich keep getting richer and richer as they crush the bones and lives of their workers under the heels!

ACT PEOPLE!

-- Beverly Martin, Texas

PS: Mike may have picked the wrong horse, but he picked a new idea... which I may say was better than most of us (not that I'm a Nader lover) since we so calmly allow the homogenous two-party system run our lives... we need more options!

Don't have a whole lot of timw to post right now, but I couldn't let the Michael Moore reference go by. Although there have been a few (key word) few times where I think he got a little overenthusiastic, I love his work. Roger and Me is a wonderfully great film and if you haven't already, pick up his book "Downsize This." I'm eagerly awaiting his take on the Enron thing...you know it's coming.

Dave, you said, "there did seem to be an underlying message that somehow we had it coming to us and that we deserved what we got."

I don't know as I'd agree that that tone is there, either.

But Mike was the first to point out to me that we certainly were funding the Taliban; witness the $43 million gift we gave to them in May 2001 for being a drug-free country.

Nothing validated the terrorists' actions — nothing. I'll give you that in a second, and I think Mr. Moore believes the same way. But were there behaviors and policies that the United States had and did that may have contributed?

The above 'gift' to the Taliban is only one example; the fact that the CIA trained Osama bin Laden back when we wanted the Ruskies out of Afghanistan is another. Neither is some conspiracy-theory postulate, they're reported facts ...

Anyway, that's my last two cents on this whole issue, since I don't want to get into further debate in Wil's comment section.

i love micheal moore just for that major email chain that got sent around - that i assume he wrote - after the WTC about the US and it's double standards... (_very_ simply put). i don't know if it came off his site, but it really made me happy to know that there was something going around about the 'behind the scenes' shit.

wil - u rock. thanks for a great deal of entertainment and insight... mmm... ;]

I was always more of a fan of "TV Nation" than "The Awful Truth", but that may just be because it was partially funded from over here - IIRC it was a BBC coproduction.

It also had Louis Theroux on it perfecting his patented "wide eyed and innocent seeming slightly posh Brit" act which has since led to "Weird Weekends" and "When Louis Met..." - the latter probably will never sell outside the UK, but I believe "Weird Weekends" is shown in the US. It's a sort of comedy-documentary thing where he manages to get to the heart of things purely by being so nice and innocent (and British) that no one wants to say "no" to him.
Further proof, if any were needed, that you can get further with a nice attitude and smart questions than you can with bluster and yelling.

DV

Wil, in any good debate you need intelligent people on both sides and you seem to have that here. Enjoy the fact that you can get people talking and just ignore the obvious trolls (which fortunately here are few and far between). You gotta know that there will be people who come to the site just to diss you or try and get a rise out of you and/or your fans. Like Spudnuts says "90% approval is good"

Since there are probably already Wil fanclubs out there, I think we should make a Spudnuts fanclub. Maybe we could publish a book "The Wit and Wisdom of Spudnuts". The comments section just wasn't the same when he(?)was gone.

tooootally off track...

Come to australia!

(trying to think up some reason for the Wheaton-meister to visit, failing dismally.. do we even have conventions here...?)

sorry i gotta go ride me a kangaroo down to the sea to watch them im'grants come take all thajobs... i wish there was someone here making people think about the stuff going down here... grr. *sigh*

Please don't feed the trolls.

At last someone recognized Mike's work on TV Nation! I always dug that show and was thrilled when I caught Awful Truth for the first time. Then I got really pissed when I realized that I'd missed his trip to Louisville for the Humana bit, since I was living there at the time. It got absolutely NO local press before, during, or after the show aired. Completely ignored.

Mike Harris,

You were right, it didn't take me longer than 5 minutes to find the offending comment on Google groups. Here's the FULL paragraph that was posted on his website, prior to his self-censorship:
---
"Many families have been devastated tonight. This just is not right. They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, DC, and the planes' destination of California--these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!

Why kill them? Why kill anyone?"
----
So I was wrong -- he didn't say that the tragedy was lesser because Republicans were killed; rather, he thinks the tragedy was greater because it was non-Republicans who were killed. Not to mention his foolish suggestion that this was done "to get back at Bush."

Who was going to be eating crow, again?

are we familiar with the concept of satire?

Re: The Michael Moore paragraph from Google.

I've read and re-read the above paragraph.

I've tried to read it with different viewpoints in mind.

I'm sorry, all I see is a post made by a person so utterly affected and confused by a catastrophic event that he tried to do what any of us would do: put in terms that he was familiar with to help us begin to understand it.

Were any of us thinking very straight immediately after it happened?

Flame me if you want, but that's how I view it.

Steph W said: "By the way, I don't remember if it was the first episode or not, but watch for the episode with the witch hunt. The mob scenes at the end were actually filmed in Madison, WI. I was in there somewhere, but I'm not onscreen at all. It was a fun time though. About a thousand people out on the library mall chanting "Legislators! Fornicators!" and a few other things. It's a shame that more of it didn't make it into the piece. But it was a blast to shoot!!!"

I, in fact, was also there, with Steph and her brother, Brian (another Broom Street Theater playwright). It did kick ass.

As far as Michael Moore goes, sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't, but he always makes me laugh and, more importantly, think.

Look, he's good at his job, and his job ISN'T to always agree with me--his job is to be a satirist.

Hey Wil,

My husband and I love Michael Moore. I loved his 'TV Nation' show too, I was so disappointed when they pulled it. I especially enjoyed the episode where the auto executive changed his own oil, it was great.

Dammit, Fenaray-you stole my thunder! :)

I was going to mention that because that whole segment on TV Nation was awesome! He tried to various CEOs to come out and do mundane, everyday things associated with the products their companies made. I think he tried to get Jack Welch (CEO of GE) to change a light bulb.

I was working at Ford Motor Company at the time. It was the pre Jacques Nasser days when the CEO was a well-respected, good humored person named Alex Trotman. He was the only guy to take Michael Moore up on it, and he came down and changed the oil in a car.

Ford was literally buzzing after that episode-positively I might add! Trotman gained a lot of respect from many, many Ford employees then.

I hate to see anyone get sterio typed for having an honest opinion.

I dont have anything negative to say about Michal Moore, I liked roger & me.

It would be nice to know that if I did happen to have a different opinion, I wouldnt be sterio typed as a hater, idiot, or hate spewer.

Of course if it was about George Bush it would be ok to say any thing you wanted.

Freedom of Speech, Yeah Baby!

I didn't see Roger and Me, but did get to see several episodes of his t.v. series. I really enjoy his style, and especially the way he mixes comedy and real in-your-face activism. Also was pleased that he noted, several times, that Canada has a lot to offer (i.e. health care). He likes it up here, apparently...wonder if we could convince him to relocate? Hey, while I'm at it, why don't all of you move up here - there's lots of room...Cheers.

Please understand, I'm not trying to curtail anyone's right to free speech or opinion -- why is that the predictable knee-jerk reaction whenever someone is criticized? Feel free to explain Mr. Moore's comment however you like, although I think labeling it as satire is extremely weak. I'm not saying all his work is worthless due to one comment, but I don't like the guy anymore than your average WWDN poster likes, say, John Ashcroft.

Bluesman, I'd agree with you if people weren't so quick to label people on the *right* as idiots and hate-spewers whenever their opinions are different. There's a double-standard.

On another topic which I hope will make sense.

Since someone mentioned John Ashcroft I just wanted to ask if anyone else wonders about his conflict of interest? I mean his wife was one of the people killed in the attacks. Is it really a good idea to have this guy in charge of part of the response? I don't want to get flamed or anything and I am not saying he should lose his job. I just think it might be a good idea to have someone else as a backup to make sure he is not doing anything too extreme. I also want to make it clear that I think it is sad he lost his wife and that if he is feeling vengeful it is understandable. I'm just not sure he should have free reign to do whatever he wants.

Just my thoughts.

I think (I may be wrong) that you're thinking of Ted Olson, who is the solicitor general. His wife, Barbara Olson, was killed in one of the planes. I'm pretty sure Ashcroft's wife was not killed in the WTC attack.

I also think it was probably a mistake for me to bring up Ashcroft. :)

I may owe wil an apology; I do realize that someone else could have come on here and typed in thier name as "wil" and put in the first entry on this thread.

I know wil claims to be a civil libertarian and I should give him the benefit of the doubt.

& since you brougt up the cost of this site/bandwith (once again), why dont you post the address & your account number where anybody that wants to can mail a few buck to them towards your account.

Im sure this site would support itself that way and that way it wouldnt seem like you were asking for money.

The problem with making this a pay site is that it will only work if you hit it big as an actor/entertainer & if that happens you wont need the cash.

In the interests of honesty, and because I respect you, bluesman (even though you're wrong :p ), I *did* put that up.

You are correct in what you said, and I can totally see how it can be considered a double standard.

Well, it is, and I really can't defend it.

I have noticed that the discussion has been completely civil, though, and very mature.

I guess I wasn't interested in providing a place for the newbies, who have flooded this place in the last few days, and who are not up to speed on how we all act like grownups here, to go on and on, calling him names.

But you're right, and I'll own up to it.

Damn you. ;)

Hey there BurntHombre-

(Hang on-putting on flameproof suit)

I think the issue was that any debate on this whole thing was founded on making sure we knew exactly what was said before we decided that Michael Moore was great/sucks. Unfortunately it did seem to degrade into a I'm right/you're wrong type thing.

I'm totally in agreement with you that labelling that comment as satire is extraordinarily weak, but I also disagree in that it was a consciously politically motivated comment made to place blame, particularly because from what I can see, it was made very shortly after the attack at a time when we were all trying to make sense of things in our own ways.

There's been a lot of craziness on these boards in the last few days, starting with the abortion debate we had, then the "Valentine's Day Massacre" of Wil, so I think there may be a residual sensitivity to some things. I'd hate to think that we can't handle criticsm or other opinions from other people, but I do sense the remains of a still charged atmosphere laying around. Regardless, if you're starting to feel like you can't post because you have a different opinion, then we're definitely doing something wrong here.

And just to make sure it doesn't happen again: you're absolutely right, it was Barbara Olson, not John Ashcroft's wife.

(Flameproof suit off-if it's safe) :)

Oops sorry, I don't know how I got those two mixed up. My bad. And people wonder how urban legends get started.

Here I am a news junkie and I read/view all kinds of information programs and yet somehow I still thought it was Ashcroft's wife. In my defense, I am Canadian (boy that sounds bad) and we don't get as much programming about that whole mess as you guys probably do in the States. Oh well I now return you to regularly scheduled programming.

Oh and actually on topic. About Michael Moore, even if you don't always (or even often) agree with him at least he is someone who gets your mind working.

I think everyone here that is a Michael Moore fan would be interested in knowing how his newest bok was almost threatened with destruction if he didn't give up his First Amendment Rights.

http://michaelmoore.com/2002_0205.html

Gaea said: "About Michael Moore, even if you don't always (or even often) agree with him at least he is someone who gets your mind working."

I completely agree. There is a conservative talkshow host named Dennis Prager, who I often listen to, and rarely agree with...but he always makes me think.

Thinking is a good thing.

I think.

I'm not a big fan of blind liberal politics. Frankly anyone who stands on one side and chooses one extreme with every issue is a moron. However, does anyone remember TV Nation from 1995? I have every espisode on tape. I hate the politics but love the gags - seeing jeanine garrafalo invade greenwich connecticut from the ocean was just amazing. Michael moore is to comedy what rage against the machine is to music. They are masters of their mediums, but their message stinks.

We do actually, get all the U.S. news here in Canada, if not on local stations then on CNN.

Just wondering, am I, a newbie, somehow not conforming to what you do on this site? I have tried to use only polite language, even during the abortion debate. Please inform.

http://jeff.oasismag.com/stories/storyReader$13

Off-topic and tangent:

Gaea, you might have been thinking of Ashcroft and death in the same thought because he lost the gubernatorial race in Missouri to a dead man. His opponent was killed in a plane crash after the filing deadlines for the election. The voters of Missouri, even with this in mind, still didn't choose to elect Ashcroft as governor.

hey, does anybody know where i can see a trailor of it online or video clips? i couldn't find it where i live and i don't want to purchase it without getting a sneak preview.

thanks.

hey, does anybody know where i can see a trailor of it online or video clips? i couldn't find it where i live and i don't want to purchase it without getting a sneak preview.

thanks.

I must also admit that I have been known to listen to people I disagree with not only to think, but to hear "their side" of the issue as it is often something that has merit.

amellia

Wil,

Im glad we agree. You know how much it upsets me when theres/there's controversy.

Now come on over here and give me a hug.

Look, I'm from Flint, MI, and Michael Moore and I don't really care for Michael Moore. I respect him as a filmmaker/ TV producer, but the guy doesn't always tell the whole truth. If you wanna take this up with me, email

Hi Wil
Another first-timer for you, not even from the US.
You wrote: Gaea said: "About Michael Moore, even if you don't always (or even often) agree with him at least he is someone who gets your mind working."
My suggestion: For Michael Moore, substitute Wil Wheaton. That's why I come here.......
Doing a great job,Wil,whatever a minority say, donators or not ! Take sterling ?

>> mmflint@aol.com

Anyone else find it ironic that Michael Moore's email addy is AOL?

How much more New World Order/corporate can one get?

Hey, Mike...

Why not support some of those smaller ISPs trying resist the light-bending vortex of AOL/Time Warner or Microsoft?

And you'd better be composing that email on a Linux box. Or Mac OS X, at the very least.

I can't weed through all 80+ comments to see if anyone mentioned this, but the book Spike, Mike, Slackers & Dykes by John Pierson has some really good stuff about how Michael Moore's film Roger and Me came to be released. Quite the interesting character.

Incidentally the book has a lot of other great stuff about the birth of indie cinema (mostly mid-80s to mid-90s but with some earlier background as well) if you're so inclined to read that sort of thing, and includes commentary from the amazing Kevin Smith (Mallrats-era).

Off topic again, here's a VERY 80's pic of Wil that's for sale on Amazon.
http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/glance-browse/Y01Y1575175Y4296853/ix=fixed-price&rank=%2Ditm&fqp=org-unit-id%014%02site-org-unit-id%014%02status%01open%02title%01wil%20wheaton&sz=50&pg=1/15/89/qid=1013200941/ZS=1-15/102-8020943-8887352#image

I'm always frightened by the pics of me from that time period so I'm glad I'm not famous and those will never have reason to appear in public.

Oo.

That pic is going on my hard drive.

Photoshop bait.

Yeah the show was good, don't always agree with his solutions to problems but he does make you think. If you get the chance try and get a copy of 'Pets or Meat' the follow-up to Rodger and Me.

This may also be the only DVD I ever personally show up on, I am the Republican in the audience in episode 2 (actually the first episode shot, they shot two episodes that day).

Speaking of Photoshop I think Wil should replace the Twin Peaks cover on his page with this "photoshopped" one from http://www.worth1000.com/view.asp?id=4&image=3591&cid=73&eid=1639&view=and see if anyone notices. (note: the page does not always load, try refreshing a few times)

In addition to the Read, Listen, Watch, etc. I wanna see a Photoshop spot where Wil's monkeys create masterpieces which feature our fearless host as the subject matter.

Or rotate that portrait in the upper left corner with different variants of same.

Kind of like they do at aintitcool.com on occasion.

glorfindel, are you talking about his statistics from roger & me?

i loved that movie because i'm a big car nut, and therefore, hate gm. but when i found out about all the staged scenes and false info he pawned off as true, i lost a lot of respect for him.

I do agree with "paulthebrit". I come here because
this site makes me think ..and NO! contrary to
the "trolls" remark...it isn't always about
Spudnuts!
I love this site for its originality, the depth
of the discussion's, its warmth AND the beloved
characters.The humor,wit and sarcasm are a lovely
fringe benefit.

Mr.Wheaton(sir)you are doing more than your share
to have "Peace prevail on Earth." I mean you put
up with all of us dontcha? And if we can all get
along..well most of the time...there is HOPE for
the big blue ball after all.

Sorry..forgot something. I admire Mr. Moore because he isn't afraid to "BE" outside the box.

Perhaps he's not answering his email because he
went to take his wife out!! oww..

Something else..in my younger days..nevermind
when..I had such a crush on "Wesley" that my signif. other used to call him "Wetley"!!
...thats enough for now.

LOL FUN!!!!

BurntHombre ... sorry, no eating crow here. He didn't say what you claim he said. And at that point, none of us knew who the hell had bombed the WTC and Pentagon, and some sort of retaliation against the President of the United States personally sure was a possibility.

Monster Boner spurted: "Frankly anyone who stands on one side and chooses one extreme with every issue is a moron"

wow, where else could you go on the Internet and hear such well written and intelligent phrase from someone called "Monster Boner"

now who wants to give Monster Boner a kiss?

I think Im gonna go rent a bevis and butthead movie

Cmon, you know you love my name. And while the way I put my first argument was simplistic, the thinking behind it is obvious. When people immidiatley take one side in an issue without thinking of the cirumstances, they are are not doing the smart thing. Let me explain my problem with liberals. Liberals are most of the time very well-intentioned people who always want to take the high road, unfortunatley at the expense of others.

For example, during the 60's it was the piece written called "silent spring" which sparked the debate over the use of DDT. It was theorized that DDT caused the death of certain birds. So after the uproar and pressure from our more liberal citizens, DDT was banned and manufacturing of it stopped. Up until then, DDT was the only insecticide safe to use around humans. Soon after it was banned, the death rate in africa and India skyrocketed due to malaria.

It was figured that close to two million people had unnessesarily died from malaria after their supply of DDT was cut off. All because we were worried about the effect DDT had on a certain type of bird.(which was never proven) Another great example is the boy scouts. Many liberals are now taking away the use of schools from boy scout troops since they will not allow gay men to be scoutmasters.

Nice principle, but the boy scouts are one of the oldest youth organizations. They were also one of the first ever organizations to integrate races and have received many awards for their community service. They have done more to contribute to society than any of their naysayers, but still are blown off as a relic of conservative ideals.

Actions such as these have only reinforced my suspicisions that most liberals have not had the life experience to form valid opinions.

I think what you mean to say is "most liberals have not had MY life experiences, and thus are unable to conform to MY valid opinions, which of course, makes them incorrect and invalid"

Micheal Moore is an AOL user!? WTF

Mike, you didn't even *know* what Mr. Moore really said until I was kind enough to inform you. Case closed, you're dismissed.

MICHAEL MOORE IS A COMMIE PINKO LIBERAL!!!!!! AND ALSO QUITE A FAT PIG OF A HUMAN BEING!!!!WAIT THAT WAS WRONG OF ME,I TAKE BACK THE HUMAN BEING PART!!!!!!

hell yeah to that jeff!!!!I also think michael moore is a fat fuck coward!!!!yeah let's get ralph nader elected so america become a third world country!!!real smart idea you leftwing tree huggin' fools!!!!!michael moore is one of the "blame america first" crowd!!!!why doesn't he take his fat ass to france along with barbra streisand,robert altman,richard gere,alec baldwin,etc.etc.etc.etc.on and on!!!!! SO HERE IS A BIG FUCK YOU FAT ASS MICHAEL MOORE SCUMBAG!!!!!!

see? joe's onto it. he's right on the money. using lots of exclamation marks makes you right. i've been working on this theory for years, up in my peacenik egg-head ivory tower.

more, i tell you.
more.
more exclamation marks!
MORE!!!!!!

some have scorned my hypothesis... but here's the hard evidence!!!!!!!!!!

the electoral process is over people. tear up those ballot papers.

wow. there went that mature discussion wil was so proud of. way to go.

Dear Mr. Wheaton:

We are sorry, but we cannot post your message to WIL WHEATON DOT NET. Your mailbox is full.

If I had a job, I'd be sleeping right now.

It's freaking 4 in the morning!

Wil wheaton is the dumbest homosexual advocate alive why don't you go be michael moores fluffer.

Wil wheaton is the dumbest homosexual advocate alive why don't you go be michael moores fluffer.