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August 13, 2002

Crossing Over

Boy, I just don't update these days, do I?

I was thinking about that on my way home from work today, moving along a few feet at a time on the 10 freeway.

I think a big part of it is that it's summer, and I'd much rather be outside, and I've been travelling A LOT since the middle of July. I've been to SLC, New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Vancouver, Alaska, Sacramento (twice) and I'll be heading to San Francisco next week for the EFF event.

So when I have some "free" time, I've been giving it to my wife and family, and when I have some creative energy, I'm giving it to Arena.

It's not like I don't have stories to tell...there's the trip to Alaska, the trip to Chicago, Camping with Anne and the boys last week....and boy do I ever have NEWS!

I'm going to give the news items their own entries over the next couple of days, because we just finished 2 episodes of Arena and I'll have time while Anne's at work (the boys are with their dad for his part of summer vacation.)

However, here's a very exciting New Thing In Wil's Life(tm):

A few weeks ago, my computer blew up. Smoke and everything. So I freaked...and just as I was about to go run the damn credit cards up to get a new machine, one arrived in the mail...this cool Sony VAIO thingy, that has a cool story all it's own, that will get told later on, too. Trouble was, it wouldn't start up. Or more correctly, it wouldn't load Windows. It'd just choke.

So as I was starting to freak again, another computer arrived in the mail. This time it was a gift from many, many people, who all pooled their resources together to replace the old POS 5000 that had recently blown up.

This new computer was a gift, and it worked as soon as I plugged it in, internet and everything.

The thing is, it was running Lindows.

Now, I've been toying with dumping Windows for almost a year. The Open Source movement really appeals to my anarchistic and individualistic tendencies, and everyone I know who uses Linux tells me that I won't miss Windows at all. I don't really use any software that's windows-specific, except Dreamweaver, and I'm told that I can run that under WINE, or find a comparable OS editor.

So I'm running this Lindows for about 3 weeks, and a couple of days ago, I break it. 100%. I messed up some dependencies, and even with the help of some really smart propeller heads, I just couldn't fix it.

So last night, I crossed the rubicon and installed Mandrake 8.2.

This install was the easiest thing I have ever done, and there wasn't one single problem. The only glitch came when I was trying to get my soundcard to work, which was hammered out quickly and painlessly, thanks to the monkeys in the soapbox.

I'm using Gnome, and I've never been happier.

I am now going to become the world's number one Linux cheerleader.

I'm off to Think Geek to get a sticker for my car, and a T-shirt for my huge pectoral muscles.

Posted by wil at August 13, 2002 07:30 PM
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YAY Wil!

Way to do Linux.

Ive been wanting to try Lindows myself. Looks way cool.

Anyone wanna give me a new computer? :)

Posted by: K2 at August 13, 2002 07:36 PM

I hope you look like LinuxGirl and not LynxGirl.

LinuxGirl kicks ass as a cheerleader, dude.

Posted by: Roughy at August 13, 2002 07:37 PM

Whoah Nelly.

Im number one. That has never happened.

And just to make this post legit - wanted to say that I forgot to add Welcome Back, Wil (no, not Kotter). Look forward to the exciting news.

Btw, saw the Nemesis trailer - did you ever find out if your scenes got cut or no?

Posted by: K2 at August 13, 2002 07:38 PM

I'm not a tekkie and don't understand most of what you wrote, but I'm glad to hear that you have a working computer. :)

I'm looking forward to a real update.

Posted by: Angel at August 13, 2002 07:41 PM

Glad to see you back, Wil! Out here on "the lone prairie" (well, okay, Winnipeg, actually a city I know I know but still very dusty at times) I look for news wherever I can find it. Cool about the new computer - I'd like to hear more about Linux etc. as am in Windows Hell at the moment...
Deborah

Posted by: duchess at August 13, 2002 07:45 PM

welcome to the dark side :P :)

Posted by: mikeylikesitz at August 13, 2002 07:49 PM

Welcome back, Wil - Blogging is important, but family is moreso. You have your head on straight.

Re: Mandrake - the /. crowd won't be able to get the smiles off their face.

Glad to see posts again. =)

Posted by: Michael Doss at August 13, 2002 07:56 PM

Welcome to linux. I've got a spare linux version of Quake III on CD if you're interested...

Posted by: Argyle at August 13, 2002 08:06 PM

Linux is cool... except when it's running on a Solaris workstation. ARG! :(

DOS was the best operating system ever, though. Long live 6.22!!

Posted by: AChimp at August 13, 2002 08:13 PM

You need to try SuSE, it will knock your socks off. Also, don't forget to use Enlightment as your WM, its killer.

Gabe

PS: You are using Ximian Gnome right?..:)

Posted by: Gabe at August 13, 2002 08:13 PM

wil: is switching over to linux anything like losing your religion...or is that just the imbedded mind prompts mr. gates is sending through windows into my mind!....arghhh!

Posted by: d. burr at August 13, 2002 08:15 PM

Sorry I couldn't help you out in the BBS, but I don't understand a thing about linux. I use windows, because I like to ceep thing's plain, and simple. I know.... Bill Gates is evil... I just wish there was another OS as easy as windows besides MAC's. I've heard alot of bad thing's about them. I look forword to hearing about your trips. :)

Posted by: SpiderWebb at August 13, 2002 08:18 PM

Wil! You are such a GEEK! And I love you for it. Get down with your bad geeky self and do that Linux thing. Have a great time in SFO.
LK.

Posted by: Elkay at August 13, 2002 08:26 PM

Dude you Rock--- Glad to have you back Man! We missed you- although we all know how important it is to have that family quality time--

*Wil said Pecks--he he he*

Posted by: Andie-Gypsy_girl at August 13, 2002 08:30 PM

Will,

You've moved on to Linux. I'm proud of you. You're on you're own now... your fate is in your hands. Computing is about to become a lot more fun. (By the way, have to rediscovered dunnet yet? Total flashback to the college compu-lab!)

Now, when are you going to Nuke the site? ;)

Posted by: sdimbert at August 13, 2002 08:42 PM

Wil,

I'm curious. This laptop, did it have a PRL sticker stuck on the lid? When it failed to boot, did you see grub> as the prompt?

Posted by: zak at August 13, 2002 08:45 PM

Hurray, Score one for the Mandrake team. My favorite part (besides the ease of installation, the network install is a breeze) is mandrakeexpert.com and mandrakecampus.com. One is free and not-free-but-better support and theother is linux training, free I do belive. How do they stay in business. If I remember correctly they estimate that they will be a profit making company by the end of 2003. Mandrake is also the fastest growing distro.
Be sure to check out the great command line programs, pine, links, and emacs are my favorites. Oh and of course Nethack: Falcon's Eye too! 3d nethack! :o

Posted by: Eli at August 13, 2002 08:47 PM

Hey welcome back Wil I hope you had lots of fun well, i didn't have any fun at all, i think it is because i have... SCOOL in 15 days... ONLY 15, Well i just wanted to say Hi and hope you had fun and now it has been said so... I guess... BYE!!!! ;())

Posted by: Justine at August 13, 2002 08:52 PM

Hey Wil!

You need a Mac, man!!

Posted by: Jamie at August 13, 2002 09:06 PM

Wil,
It looks like you are living it up this summer.
This is a great thing. You're last entry, although it was written in greek, to me , seems to say that the great outdoors is a lot of fun.
You go-go-go man.
F.G.

Posted by: Fabian Greene at August 13, 2002 09:30 PM

gig? or bib?

SPILL BITCH, SPILL!!

Posted by: Cherish at August 13, 2002 09:49 PM

Hey! I have a cool Sony Vaio thingy too! It's worth it for the Trinitron alone. :)

Posted by: hippiewitch at August 13, 2002 10:03 PM

Congratulations, Wil! After running Mandrake for nearly two years, I can safely say that it has become very easy to install and use.

This might seem like a shameless plug, but if you or anyone here would like help with Linux, let me know, and I'll try to help.

Posted by: Rob at August 13, 2002 10:09 PM

I am *this* close to getting a new computer... and Wil comes back pumping the Linux fist. Sigh. Shhh, Wil! My hubby doesn't need any more encouragement to go Linux with the new box. I like the idea of Linux, but I've had to use it for work and it's still completely incomprehensible to me.

I want the shared computer to be nice and simple and familiar, especially since I'm probably going to need an iMAC within a year for film editing work. Gah. I'm feeling too old to learn new computer systems, and too grumpy with Windows to really champion it properly. :) Blarg.

Posted by: mandy at August 13, 2002 10:15 PM

You'll let us know how your experiences with installing software on linux works out, won't you?

I had linux on a machine here and it installed really easy. However, when I wanted to start doing something, that's when it became a real bear to do anything.

Even installing real software like Opera turned into a nightmare. The Open Source stuff you mentioned is even worse, some of it requires you to "build" the source instead of simply installing the software like Windows would.

I even reciently read a webpage that told the story of a 3 year Linux person giving up on Linux an installing Windows XP.

Good luck!

Posted by: Dave at August 13, 2002 10:21 PM

Welcome back, Wil. Glad you are spending time with the family. From tha archives, in those early days (was it only a year ago?) you were posting multiple time a day as you got this site together. Although I miss your frequent messages, I'm glad you are spending time with the ones you love.

With all the geek speak you have in this post, I was reminded of that piece of geek code you have in your FAQ. With your birthday, you are no longer in the 25-29 age range. Welcome to a new range!

Posted by: loretta652 at August 13, 2002 10:49 PM

Way to go. I tried the whole Linux thing, but get frustrated and head back time and again to Windows. It's almost time for a fresh format, however.... (evil grin)

Posted by: Dave at August 13, 2002 10:59 PM

eh.. i use winXP i have problems here and there.. but nothing too big.. i am a tech geek though so i know how to NOT fuck up my operating systems.. anyway linux is good too but i don't recommend it to anyone who is not a power user.. windows is just user friendly..

blargh

Posted by: hops at August 13, 2002 11:01 PM

Jamie, every house needs a mac. *grin*

Posted by: Courtney at August 13, 2002 11:09 PM

I like coming on WWDN and seeing a new post.

It's like a happy electronic gift, an Inter-net goodie bag.

And hey, you're coming up to SF! This rocks. When, where, etc? I'd come and see you; you're TV's Wil Wheaton, and that's enough for me.

Posted by: KJB at August 13, 2002 11:28 PM

As I have always said out here in Vegas


"FREE IS FREE BABY"!!!!!

CONGRATULATIONS WIL.

Posted by: redrhinox at August 13, 2002 11:35 PM

Wil--

I can't believe I'm not geeky enough to understand at least A LITTLE of your latest post!

I *did* understand the "it's too nice to stay inside with the computer" part. I feel that way, too, but not until February. (February here in AZ, that is.) However, if you get that laptop to work, you can have the best of both worlds! Example: you can write a blog entry while sitting under a nice tree. At least until your batteries run out!

Posted by: Angelique at August 13, 2002 11:41 PM

Welcome to the dark side Luke ... whoops, wrong sci-fi metaphor ... oh well, welcome anyway.

Yes, Mandrake is insanely simple. So-much-so that it takes all the fun out of being a geek.


Posted by: Mean Dean at August 14, 2002 12:54 AM

Wow Wil! What a coinky-dink!

I was just noticing how bulgy your pecs were too.

Posted by: syndromes at August 14, 2002 01:04 AM

Stop computer abuse

Posted by: Phil at August 14, 2002 01:50 AM

linux is great. it doesn't crash every 5 minutes or freak out if you want to minimise anything, and you can install new software or hardware without having to reboot. i think debian is the best distribution though. if you want to install a program you just type "apt-get install (program name)" and it does everything for you, including getting all the dependencies and setting up everything.

i'm not a geek. i'm just getting married to a computer scientist so this is the sort of thing i get to know.

Posted by: susie at August 14, 2002 02:09 AM

So the question is, when will Wil become a real man and compile a Debian kernel?

Posted by: Mean Dean at August 14, 2002 03:03 AM

Have you tried the Caffinated soap? Dude! :)

Posted by: Artisticspirit at August 14, 2002 03:07 AM

Congrats on switching to Linux, dude!

You should really give SuSE a try, installation on the new release is the easiest I've ever seen...

As for the VAIO, I have one myself, proprietary boxes to no end, support is nonexistant (standard advice: whatever your problem, reinstall the recovery CD), and if it needs to get fixed, or you need a replacement part for it, better check if your credit card can handle the impact! But Sony has one of the best designs out there, IMO.

Looking forward to updates (distraction from work is always welcome ;-)

Take care,

-Oliver

Posted by: Oliver at August 14, 2002 03:57 AM

My husband uses linux and loves it.
He is trying to get me to partition the
harddrive on my computer and put linux
on. He currently is using Debian. He has
installed and destroyed Mandrake many times.
I hope you enjoy using Linux as much as my
husband does.

Posted by: Colleen S at August 14, 2002 05:06 AM

Wil,

Consider using KDE3 - it's a ton faster and more stable than Gnome and you can make it look prettier too IMHO :-D Congratulations though! Glad to hear everything is working again, and welcome to the Linux community :-

Posted by: Brian at August 14, 2002 05:38 AM

TOO FUNNY!!!! Congrats on the new machine and system. I work for a polling firm name Public Opinion Strategies - get it - POS. Boy I never get tired of being reminded of that. Have a good one.

Posted by: David Ellis at August 14, 2002 06:30 AM

Wil ya nerd!


I want you to puh-lace a-your hands on the keyboard and a FEEL the power. FEEL the power surge a-through you. Say NO to sin. Say NO to Windows. Say NO to Mistah Gates. Say yuh YES to freedom. Say yuh YES to taking the first step on your own, and walking, walking out into the light, following your a-new straight path to complete and a-total nerd efficiency.

Glad to see you posting again. Later dude.

Posted by: Drakensykh at August 14, 2002 06:34 AM

" Welcome to the real world " - Morpheus

I run a box at home with Mandrake 8.2 and it rocks. You're going to love it. You can do so much with Linux and almost everything is free.

Enjoy Wil.

Posted by: W0ot at August 14, 2002 06:38 AM

when did all of this high technology overtake web-tv?

Posted by: d. burr at August 14, 2002 07:02 AM

Great Wil! I hope you enjoy Mandrake! I just switched over on both my home and my 'work' machine. Home now uses a beautiful mac and work i get redhat linux!

I'm a happy camper and I hope you are too!

Posted by: pyrofenix at August 14, 2002 07:07 AM

"I am now going to become the world's number one Linux cheerleader."

I know where you can get a penguin suit, cheap!

John McGregor

Posted by: John McGregor at August 14, 2002 07:52 AM

Yeeehawww! We hooked another one! Glad you're enjoying Mandrake, Wil. Welcome to the fold.

Posted by: John Burroway at August 14, 2002 07:55 AM

SLC, New York, Chicago, Atlanta...tells us the adventures of the Head Monkey!

Posted by: ze-mag at August 14, 2002 08:16 AM

ok, i suck at the computer geek thing, but nothing like seeing a line from one of my favorite musicals

"I crossed the rubicon"

anyone else know "1776"?

well, i guess everyone has ONE thing they're a geek about...
::hangs head::

Posted by: dianna at August 14, 2002 09:17 AM

I wonder how many of the Wil-ites out there will get the Ren reference (pectoral muscles) Hmmm..

Posted by: Fats Vernon at August 14, 2002 09:27 AM

Congratulations :)

Don't worry about screwing things up...well, worry about it a little, but don't let it make you feel stupid. I've been running linux for years, compiled countless kernels, and I've suddenly managed to screw things up in such a way that I've been fighting with it for a day and still haven't fixed it.

Mandrake rocks. I wish I were using it instead of RedHat right now. I probably wouldn't be having the aforementioned problem.

Posted by: Jessica at August 14, 2002 09:32 AM

sony vaios are great...dells and they are all i'll use (except @ work where they use macs) try calling customer support

Posted by: surak at August 14, 2002 09:47 AM

So now you need to get a Tux the Linux peguin doll, I have one on my car, and it helps me weed out who the really cool people are that ride with me.

Posted by: memEMeME at August 14, 2002 09:52 AM

Congrats on making the switch. I switched to a Mac myself - but any switch away from windoze and mr. gates is definitely something to cheer about.

Hope you enjoy Linux!

Posted by: Chewie at August 14, 2002 09:57 AM

Wil's back!

Posted by: Wild Thing at August 14, 2002 10:00 AM

Linux rules. and it is good to know there is another person on the right train :)

good to read your summer is going well.

Take care.

Posted by: sol at August 14, 2002 11:24 AM

Congratulations Wil, you've left the Microsoft treadmill behind.

What web browser does Mandrake install by default? Hopefully Galeon - it uses Mozilla for rendering webpages, and puts a pretty Gnome interface around it. The speed is incredible.

Feel free to explore, and don't fear the source - use the source:)

Also, if Mandrake doesn't have packages for it, go pick up a copy of OpenOffice - works great. www.openoffice.org

Enjoy.

Posted by: Platinum Dragon at August 14, 2002 11:31 AM

I didn't understand half of what you said back there but I'm real glad to hear you've got a working computer :)
It doesn't matter (that much) that you don't update as much as you normally do, enjoy your summer just like the rest of us.

Posted by: Anna at August 14, 2002 11:41 AM

Wow...now I'm even more curious about Linux/Mandrake.

Especially after my crappy Windows ME machine crashed about 5 times last night. I think it's the worse OS (strip out/hide the DOS so you're even more screwed) Micro$oft ever came out with! Argh.

So, specifically are you going to be in SF so I can scream a lot & try to throw pies at you.

People write some awful stuff & I think your weblog is soo much better than a certain relative of Herman Melville's.

Posted by: Eyeno at August 14, 2002 11:46 AM

Way to go Wil! I just let Slashdot know of your conversion, better get the moose ready in case they consider it newsworthy. :)

AmyT

Posted by: amyt at August 14, 2002 12:05 PM

Wil,

Yeah you have returned. I am still running Windows ME, been running it for a year no troubles with it here. What is the EFF event you were talking about? It is good to have you back.
I love comming here and seeing a new message in the blog. Until your next post.

Matt......

Posted by: Matt at August 14, 2002 12:15 PM

wow, there sure are a lot of people coming out of the linux closet today. Mandrake definitely rocks for the ease of use (look out for Mandrake 9.0 soon with Gnome2), but I couldn't live without debian unstable and apt-get. Congrats on making the changeover, I hope everything continues smoothly for you, and if not at least there are a load of people to help you out.

Posted by: Adamgreg at August 14, 2002 03:50 PM

Wil, congrads on crossing over. You have got to try Red Hat 8 when it comes out. It rocks! Id love to give you some tips on my favorite stuff in the Linux world. Mozilla (Web), GKrellM (Task Manager), XMMS (Music Player), XINE (Video Player), Gabber (Jabber chat), VMWare (WAY easier than WINE for old Windows apps).. Enjoy dude !! And visit my sublime page http://sublimespot.com/sublime/ .. laates

Posted by: chris carey at August 14, 2002 04:15 PM

another thing.. you may want to try ximian gnome. the red-carpet installer / uninstaller tool is a godsend for newbies to linux.

Posted by: chris carey at August 14, 2002 04:21 PM

SuSE is simply the best!

It's installation is easier and more intuitive than any other Linux distro, mandrake included.

Posted by: Niemand at August 14, 2002 06:50 PM

think geek?///!?!?

what do i need with a green laser pointer? who am, laser man?

Posted by: b... at August 14, 2002 07:47 PM

Congratulations Wil, nice first step!
Of course you realize that Mandrake is not a real distribution, so don't get too comfortable.. The next step should be Debian: keep us posted when you get there :)

Posted by: noa at August 15, 2002 12:30 AM

Mandrake Linux: Not a bad choice

SuSE Linux: Very freakin slick: choice of most Linux Users Groups... look one up in your area

Gentoo: Balls to the wall when you want to be the leetest kid on the block. Will only install just enough to install other packages such as vi or XFree86 but in the end, you have a significant performance increase over other Linux distros.

FreeBSD: You are going to hate Linux if you switch over to this Unix-based gem.

MacOS X: Have you Unix command-line and slick GUI, too.

I personally run SuSE and Geetoo on Sun SparcStation 20's with no problem. I love the stability and relibility of Sun hardware and combine that with Linux, even old Sun hardware smokes like a big phat doobee.

Posted by: ChozSun at August 15, 2002 12:39 AM

Hi Wil,

Great to see you're not using Lindows. Lindows is basically GNU/Linux without any real security: you run everything as root! In other words, you'd might as well be using Windows. Also, you have to pay for a subscription to get apps and updates (not good, since these apps are supposed to be free).

Like you, I'm a Mandrake and GNOME user. You should probably know that Mandrake 8.2 uses GNOME 1.4, which is a little long-in-the-tooth. Mandrake 9.0 comes out next month, and it includes the new and improved GNOME 2.0 (which is _way_ better and much faster).

I'm an admin over at http://www.pclinuxonline.com/ , a (quite popular) site for GNU/Linux desktop users. We used to be Mandrake-specific, so we have a strong Mandrake user following (we're more distro-agnostic now, but we still love Mandrake). I'd like to invite you over to visit our site. I've been hooked on your site for almost a year now, so maybe you can get hooked on our's. Please drop me a line and tell me what you think :)

If you have any problems with Mandrake, try the mailing lists (http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/flists.php3 ). I'm quite active there so I should be able to help. Everyone else there is very friendly and helpful, unlike the people on many other GNU/Linux lists.

Posted by: Yama at August 15, 2002 04:30 AM

Welcome to the world of Linux :)
I had been using RedHat for a couple of years now and loved it, but recently I entered a situation where I needed to run some business-specific software, that absolutely would not run under Linux no matter what I tried, so I'm back stuck with Windows again *sigh*.

Posted by: S at August 15, 2002 08:06 AM

By the way, in the years I've been messing with it, the best place I've found to get help, espcially in discussion group form, is linuxnewbie.org.

Posted by: S at August 15, 2002 08:07 AM

I switched from Windows to Mandrake 8.1 and agree that it's a very good, user-friendly Linux distro. Fumbling my way through learning Apached at the moment. It always fascinated me that such an unstable OS as Windows continued to thrive. Now I think with Lindows, Mandrake, and a few others, Gates is finally realizing that he has some competitition and it's got to infuriate him that it costs about $150 or so less to get a better OS.

Later.

Posted by: Craig at August 15, 2002 08:16 AM

IS IT CONTAGIOUS?? IS THERE A CURE?

Would we even WANT one?

Posted by: bluecat/redblanket at August 15, 2002 09:04 AM

Wha...!

I go away for a couple of days and you switch to Linux! Woo hoo! Way to go...

Pay no heed to the guy who switched back to XP above... he doesn't know what he's talking about. Building your own software is so incredibly easy: ./configure; make; make install . Just remember that at least the "make install" part has to be run as root (the superuser).

If you really want to have fun building your own stuff, try Gentoo. Yes, it's not for the faint of heart, but it's not nearly as difficult as many have made it seen. The Portage system works a lot like RPM or like Debian's system... it's just that, under the hood, it's not just installing files, it's compiling source code. Really, if you want gnome, just type "emerge gnome" and sit back while the entire system compiles. (Yeah, it can take a while to install stuff... :-)

If you're running Mandrake (which was my distro of choice before Gentoo), make sure to use MandrakeUpdate regularly, or get Ximian and use Red Carpet.

And, as so many others have already offered, I'm willing to help if you encounter any problems.

You rawk man! Your coolness factor has just increased by about 10000 points.

Posted by: Da Schmiz at August 15, 2002 11:41 AM

hey, i have no clue what it is...but it sounds neat...im glad that you like it!Lindows, it sounds like a parody or something. any ways, have a great day, i think your doing fine, but of course that doesnt matter. only what the eyes of God see's and i'm sure he'd be proud too! live in the faith,
sara!

Posted by: sara :) at August 15, 2002 05:38 PM

I am having the same problem with mandrake Will, can you tell me how you fixed it. Or post me a link to the site

thanks

KW

Posted by: Krista at August 15, 2002 05:56 PM

Somebody send that boy a Powerbook with OS X. Get your *nix -AND- your Dreamweaver, my friend!

Posted by: TankGrrl at August 15, 2002 07:19 PM

Stick with it; Mandrake's a nice little system (and I use "little" in the figurative sense.)

The most annoying thing you'll find is that media apps just aren't there. I work in print and suitable CMYK modes just aren't there. Black generation? What's that? :-D Keep around another OS Just In Case(TM).

Oh, and if you're into it for the UNIX-like experience, and since you're probably making f**ktons of money on residuals ;-D why not get a new G4? OS X is coming along nicely. Just installed Jaguar on a work machine; my only gripe is that Apple managed to break USB support in Classic mode. Again. And TWAIN drivers are nonexistent under OS X. Oh, and thanks to the Fink project, a number of those free apps (including a number of Gnome apps) are around. You can fool yourself into not missing Windows under Linux; if you can't do without the commercial apps, you CAN do away with Windows entirely. Not that Apple is much better than Microsoft, but at least they don't try to do away with 30 years of computing history. ;-D

Posted by: regeya at August 15, 2002 09:01 PM

Use Mac OS X v10.2 "Jaguar," man. UNIX-based goodness while equally anarchistic as Linux. Sure you have to pay for it, but it's the number one alternative OS. Rock on, brother.

Posted by: Shawn Joyce at August 15, 2002 11:45 PM

Most excellent, Wil. You've taken your first steps into a larger world. Not to mention a freer and more versatile one.

"For those about to geek...we salute you!"

Posted by: Erbo at August 16, 2002 12:44 AM

You really want to cross over? Get one of the new G4s with Shaguar installed, you'll love it! It's got a *nix BSD (not that LOONIX crap) core and a nice lickable Aqua GUI! Plus you could prolly convince Steve Jobs to do a Switch ad staring YOU! That would be fantastic. Think about it.

Posted by: Saul Good at August 16, 2002 09:27 AM

Welcome to the world of freedom and knowledge Wil. I also switched from Windows to Mandrake 8.1 a while back and I have to tell you that I am really happy I've done that. Linux world is so much better then greedy world of Windows. Here people are more then happy to help other people if they have problem and they write programms for the good of humanity. In some way it is like Star Trek world. And you have a lot more control over yout hardware and software in Linux. I also like Mandrake very much. It gives you tools to do some stuff quickly and easilly but at the same time you still have access to the very core of all apps and if you wan't you can do whatever you would like to do. And another thing is that you also start to feel you need to know more to have even more power over your system and you start to learan and suddenly you know a lot of new things.

Live long and prosper Wil!

Posted by: JLP at August 16, 2002 01:49 PM

Congratulations on entering the wonderful world of Linux. I myself am running Mandrake 8.2 (though I use KDE 3.02 as my WM) and it is very stable, efficient and fun!

Cool to see you are also using Movable Type! Great blogging tool, I use it for my own (political) web site: http://archie.homelinux.net:8080

And to those OS X people: we Linux users still love you. Let's make an alliance instead of fighting against one another; after all, we share a common foe in Redmond...

Posted by: elie at August 16, 2002 02:27 PM

awesome.

welcome to computing the next generation.

Posted by: macewan at August 16, 2002 05:13 PM

Resistance is futile, you have been assimilated.
Having installed around 27 different versions of linux to date, the one thing i would tell you and everyone is they all rock.

They are also evolving at an absolutely incredible rate!

Anyone who is just starting out and is not a programmer or engineer, do yourself a favor, start with Mandrake. IT ROCKS!! For those who do program a little or have somekind of engineering background, You will probably prefer Suse, Slackware, BSD or Gentoo

Redhat is nice too, but its made more for servers than a desktop. Mandrake has much much more polish and way more tools, redhat has one GUI package manager, maybe two, Mandrake has 4 or 5.

While XP finally has "SOME" ability to customize the look of screen. The user cant really get inside it and do it themselves. You are instead driven like the cattle Bill Gates thinks you are, (please have your credit cards handy)to run out and by Micro$oft Plus pack or whatever they hell they call it.

The one thing though that is happening is windows is getting more and more complicated. Linux on the other hand is getting easier and easier.

The other big difference is Linux Users go out of their way to help each other "generally". Window users however seldomly do.

After 5 years of being a Linux user the only thing i miss is being able to develop in flash. Havent tried it out in wine or codeweavers wine yet though, just to many other things to play with, its like being a kid in a big ass candy store with no frelling cash register in sight!

And to you Wil, Welcome!
You are now amongst a MUCH larger family of friends! Look forward to seeing you at EFF.

Tek
Peace, Love and Penguin Power!
http://www.linuxdojo.net


Posted by: Timothy N. Tuck at August 18, 2002 09:26 PM

So, you cross the Rubicon... and discover a real Linux. Wasn't so painfull... Now, and you allready know that, you found a real OS one for the next generation.

Posted by: Sylvain at August 19, 2002 10:26 AM

now then. warcraft3 linux

very fluffy 8)

Posted by: kirby at August 20, 2002 09:23 AM

On your personal 'burial' of "Windows": 'Way to go!!! I myself have built a (my) dual-boot, Windows/Linux machine. I plan to lose the MS Windows as soon as I've mastered the Penguin, so to speak.

p.s.: Mandrake 8.2 IS great!! Anything Linux beats the hell outta Windows ...

Posted by: samiazaz at August 22, 2002 10:11 PM

I love Gnome. Glad you're happy with it.

Posted by: yoyofool at August 23, 2002 06:59 AM

whoever mentioned trying to get Apple to hook Wil up as part of the "switch" campaign... that's a really great idea.

wil's exactly the type of person who would benefit from a switch... Final Cut Pro, DVD Studio Pro (or iMovie and iDVD if they won't kick down for free and you don't want to spend the $2K on software) etc.

linux is an excellent low-cost solution for servers and people who don't need the big (read: expensive) apps, but i can't say enough nice things about Apple and OS X... apple is our best chance for seeing a fully functional unix on the desktop. but GOD i wish they'd fix the @#$%@#$% windowing system though... even with 10.2 it lags (when resizing a window there is NO reason for the arrow to become disjointed from the window frame).

make a few calls... see if you can get a FREE machine... the new iMacs are amazing, but a G4 with a 22" cinema display is like heaven...

regardless of whether or not you can wrangle a macintosh... woohoo! microsoft lost another one. enjoy yr linux box and try not to break it too much. : )

Posted by: Pitstain at August 23, 2002 08:28 PM

All these people saying to use this, or use that, trying to sell you their religious choice.

Use whatever you want. If you are liking Mandrake with Gnome, then keep on using it.

I agree with you, Mandrake 9.0 does look cool. (Though I think most new and unreleased things look cool, and I am a whore when it comes to OS's and computers, using just about everything.)

Posted by: Ash at September 23, 2002 11:11 PM

FINALLY THe Rock has come back.

Posted by: THE ROCK at September 26, 2002 01:49 PM
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