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August 28, 2002

I see another hurdle approaching

Yesterday, I wrote about the scary nature of facing the world outside of what I guess we'll call "your safety bubble."

At least that's what I was trying to write about. YMMV.

I also promised to talk about why Creation cut me from their 15th anniversary of Star Trek: The Next Generation convention, and why I think it's a good thing.

To understand the events leading up to the cut, it's important to understand the realities of the Star Trek Convention (and all SF conventions, really): There was a time, long ago, when these cons existed by and for fans. They were places where fans could get together, safely dress up in costumes, debate the minutae of scripts, and generally geek out amongst friends without fear of The Jocks showing up.

Some folks realized that they could turn this phenomenon into a working business, and for better or worse, Creation was born.

For years, I had a great relationship with Creation. When I was a kid, I attended the Fangoria Weekend of Horrors shows at the Ambassador hotel. When I was on TNG, I appeared as a speaker at countless Creation conventions.

Then I had a not-so-great relationship with them for awhile. I felt that they had become the 800 pound gorilla in the convention world. They were the only kid on the block who had that cool football that all the other kids wanted to play with, and without any real competition, they charged too much, and I felt that the fans were increasingly getting the shaft.

Not the cool Richard Roundtree Shaft, either, so you can just shut your mouth right now.

In retrospect, there were many factors contributing to what I would describe as the decline and fall of the convention experience, and I think the guests need to be at the top of that list.

I never made very large speaking fees, even when I was A Big Deal™, but there were plenty of actors who did. It didn’t bother me too much at the time, because I felt that the fans were mostly showing up to see these headlining actors, and that meant Creation would earn a lot of money.

I always felt that the actors should share in that profit, until I became aware of the escalating costs to the fans, and the declining quality of the convention experience.

It was like I’d stepped out of the Ivory Tower for the first time, and I’d seen the suffering in the streets. I didn’t want any part of that world, and I didn’t want to do any more conventions. However, I was heavily pressured by my agents and publicists, so I continued to go.

I felt obligated, and I hated it.

I withdrew when I was onstage, I didn't give it my all, and I even stopped signing autographs in person. I guess I was 16 or 17 at the time. What I really wanted to be doing was playing GURPS and goofing off on this new computer network called GEnie where I could talk to people all across the country in real time!

After a few shows in this frame of mind, I quit entirely. I only did one convention that I can recall, when I was about 20, in Kansas City. It was horrible. There were about 50 people there, all crammed into the back of this auditorium because they didn’t want to pay for the “VIP” seats, so I was left talking to 50 people in a room intended for about 700, across 30 or so empty rows of seats.

I’m amazed that I didn’t climb to the balcony and jump off right then and there.
It was really hitting “Star Trek Bottom” for me, and I swore that I’d never do another convention again.

The convention world went on without me. My fellow cast members continued to regularly attend shows all over the world. I did one or two, including one in England, mostly because I love England and it was an opportunity to get over there on someone else’s dime. But in my heart, and in my ever-blackening soul, I hated it. So the cons were few and very, very far between, until I gradually stopped entirely.

Years passed, and I grew up. Like a battered wife, I began to forget the bad things and only remember how exciting it was to see OJ run for 500 yards in a game, how he would smile at me from the end zone, how sharp he looked in those Bruno Magli shoes.

I agreed to attend a convention in Pasadena, where I did the interviews that are in “Trekkies.” I don’t remember much beyond feeling like a complete loser for even being there, and embarrassed that my girlfriend, who eventually became my wife, was seeing me like this.

The world turned, and I eventually saw “Galaxy Quest.”

Seeing that movie reminded me about all the nice dinners I’d had with The Juice, how he always felt bad after he’d hit me, the fun trips we’d taken together, and how nicely tailored his gloves were.

I made a call to Adam Malin at Creation. I told him that I’d seen “Galaxy Quest,” and that it reminded me how fun Conventions could be. This was an entirely true statement. I told him that I’d be interested in doing some shows, if he’d have me. We had a very nice chat, and he invited me in for a meeting.

I went and saw him the following week, and we talked about what I was doing now, and how the convention world had changed. It was strange for me to be sitting in his corner office, on the top floor of a building in Glendale, looking out at the mountains where I used to live, telling him how grateful I was for the opportunity to talk with him about shows.

We agreed that I’d do some for him, and they’d be in touch.

What I didn’t tell him was that I hadn’t worked on anything meaningful in years, and I was really struggling as an actor. Anne and I had just gotten married, and we were under a mountain of debt.

I walked to my car, feeling dirty.

A month went by without any phone calls, and I thought that I’d been involved in yet another meaningless meeting featuring yet another string of empty promises. I began to feel depressed.

While I waited for the call to come, I spoke with Dave Scott, who owns a company called Slanted Fedora Entertainment. Dave had been doing lots of conventions, and had a good reputation amongst the fans, and more importantly, amongst my Star Trek actor friends. I told Dave that I hadn’t done a convention in a long time, and I was wondering if he would be interested in having me do one of his shows. He seemed interested, and said he’d get back to me.

Again, months passed. I did a few shitty, embarrassing, forgettable movies and I began to wonder if maybe it was time to get into some other line of work.

Something that involved exotic language like “Soup du jour.”

Before I could begin learning the art of up-selling wine, however, Dave called, and invited me to a convention in Waterbury, Connecticut, in March of 2001. In addition to me, Brent Spiner, Gates McFadden, and Denise Crosby would be attending. I was ecstatic. We agreed on a speaker’s fee, and I went to the show.

As an example of how long I’d been removed from Trek, I offer the following scene:

At the airport, I see Brent and Gates, standing by the gate, waiting to board our plane.

My heart leaps, and I walk towards them, beaming, with open arms.

They both looked up at me, like I am Hannibal Lechter, and begin to retreat.

They don’t recognize me, at all, until I tell them who I am.

Yeah, I’d been out of the game for awhile.

We did the convention, and it was really great. I had a wonderful time, and I thought that everyone there enjoyed my talk. I didn’t realize just how much they enjoyed it, until I read this review, though.

A few months after I got home, the call from Creation came. I was invited, not as a speaker, but as an autograph-signer, to the upcoming Grand Slam Convention in Pasadena.

Not as a speaker, like the rest of the cast, but as an autograph-signer, like that guy who played Transporter Chief #7 in episode 34.

This was a serious blow to my ego, especially after the success of the Slanted Fedora show, but I had swallowed my pride before, doing what I had to do in order to support my family.

Each time I’d done it, it had paid off in ways I didn’t expect: when I went to ComicCon in 1999, I met Ben, who introduced me to loren, without whom there would be no WWDN.

I can’t imagine where I’d be right now without WWDN.

I’d also gone to the Hollywood Collector’s Show, which is often referred to as “The Hollywood Has-beens Show,” where I realized that, no matter what anyone said, I really wasn’t a has-been. I was just a guy who was really struggling, having had too much success too young.

Hey, at least I wasn’t one of the Coreys, right? Yeah, that's what I'd try to tell myself.

However, at each of these events, as frustrated as I was, as much as it wounded my pride and bruised my ego, I knew that it was a much better alternative to, “Would you like to me to check your oil, sir?” I knew that I was very lucky, and I was grateful, if ashamed, for the opportunity to support my family.

So I accepted the offer to be a signer, rather than a speaker. I didn’t get a speaking fee. I got what I could by charging a fee to sign pictures, posters, trading cards…sadly, no boobies.

Although, at one point during the day, a very pretty girl came over to me, and I am not afraid to tell you, she was seriously putting the vibe onto your Uncle Willie. I mean, she was vibing me hard. She walks up to me, hips swinging, lips pouting, eyes leering, and says, “Do you have a girlfriend?”

“No,” I tell her…expecting a replay of the hooters incident, “I have a wife!”

BOOYAH BABY! I await her chastened response.

“Oh,” she says, coyly, putting a finger in the corner of her mouth, and drawing her tongue seductively across the tip. “That’s too bad.”

And she walks away, hips swinging.

Swinging, man. The room falls silent as she walks out. A guy in a Red Dwarf T-shirt drops a box of unopened Magic cards.

I picked my jaw up off the floor.

Shortly after this convention, I was looking for posts about the con on UseNet, and I saw that some dude had taken a picture of this girl, who was like a piece of steak in a piranha tank around all of us geeks.

The message said something like, “Look at this hot girl who was at the Star Trek Convention!”

There was a reply, which said something like, “Look! Here’s another picture of her!” It was that same girl, alright, but she sure wasn't wearing the same Charlie's Angels T-shirt that she was wearing at the con...matter of fact, she wasn't wearing anything at all.

That’s right, the full-on porn model totally hit on me, right there in front of everyone. Not that I would have hit it, being married and all that, but it sure did make my inner geek happy.

That convention ended up being really great. I was able to promote my ACME show, and climb a little bit further out of debt. I did end up giving about a 20 minute talk in a very small room, which was intended to hold about a hundred people, but was packed to standing with about 150 or so. The talk went fabulously well, and Adam Malin sought me out himself to tell me that he was sorry for not putting me up on stage in The Big Room. He said that he didn’t know how much the fans liked me, or how good I was on stage. He promised to have me speak at the Grand Slam Show in 2002.

At that show, I saw Dave Scott, and he invited me to the Vegas convention that is chronicled in the as-yet-incomplete Saga of SpongeBobVegasPants.

I was back in the game, baby, and I was loving it. Cons were fun again. I’d been on the other side of the table, standing shoulder to shoulder with the fans, for a few years. I’d grown up. I’d spent time on stage in sketch comedy shows and improv shows. I understood what audiences wanted, and I was learning how to connect with the Trekkies, how to identify with them. I felt like I was able to make up, in some small way, for the years I’d spent being an ass, and I really liked it.

Then came 9/11. Then my Great Aunt died. Then the economy fell apart.

I had to cancel some cons, because of work and family commitments, and cons had to be cancelled because there simply weren’t enough people willing to buy tickets.

The promised invite to Grand Slam 2002 never materialized, but I did attend again as an autograph-signer, this time without any damage to the ego. I saw it as an opportunity to promote the WWDN, and get closer to that magic Zero on the Home Equity Balance Sheet. I did speak in that same little theatre, this time to about 14 people, because I was programmed opposite Ricardo Montalban, who was occupying The Big Stage.

The only cons I was able to attend were the Galaxy Ball, chronicled here, and the CruiseTrek trip to Alaska, which is in the as yet unwritten “Untitled CruiseTrek Project,” which is coming soon, I promise.

I was also invited to attend the Creation Celebration of 15 Years of Next Generation, and a Slanted Fedora convention in Las Vegas in early September.

Why do I do cons? There are several reasons. It’s a good way to support my family, first and foremost. It would be disingenuous to say otherwise. I also enjoy the attention. It’s nice to tell my stupid stories, and make my stupid jokes for an audience that wants to like me. But the reason that I’ve become aware of since that Waterbury show, the thing that I’ve really gotten in touch with, is the tremendous satisfaction I derive from giving something back to the fans.

Look, the way I see it, I'm getting paid a speaker's fee for these shows, and that fee is coming out of the fan's pockets, so I owe the fans a memorable experience. I work my ass off at these shows, because it is my responsibility to ensure that they get their money's worth. If someone wants to ask me a question I’ve been asked a hundred times, I’m glad to answer it, because it means I won’t have be answering a question that I’ve been asked a thousand times…but seriously, folks, try the fish.

Wait. If someone wants to ask me a question I’ve been asked a hundred times before, I’m going to listen, and answer it like it’s the first time I’ve ever been asked. I’m going to do everything that I can to let the people who are there know that I value their time, and their appreciation of what we do. I’m going to really make sure that people feel that it was worth it to come to the damn convention. I’m going to give something back to the fans, however small.

One of the things I've been doing, to make conventions memorable for the fans, is performing with my sketch comedy group. We do a show that is geared for a smart, sci-fi-oriented audience, and each time we do it, the fans go nuts.

When Creation asked me if I would attend the 15th Anniversary Celebration show, they also asked if I would bring my sketch comedy group to perform a show. They told me that they’d heard from people who saw it in Las Vegas, or on CruiseTrek, that it was great, and would I consider doing a show?

I told them I’d love to do that, and they asked me about fees. I did some math in my head, figured out what it would cost for my group, reduced my personal speaking fee (bad economy, people losing jobs and 401(k)’s and all that) and gave them a figure. They said it sounded good, and they’d be in touch.

They called back in early August, with a very different number. A low number. An insultingly low number.

I asked why the number was so low. I put my fees into perspective, alongside the fees commanded by some of the other Trek actors.

The terse answer came very quickly: “Well, we just don’t think of you as a very big part of the Trek family.”

Ouch.

They had a point, I guess. TNG ran for seven seasons. I did four as a regular and a few episodes in the fifth year. There have been five TNG movies, and was almost in one of them.

Yeah, I guess I wasn’t as big a part of the Trek family, from their point of view.

But I was an original cast member on TNG. This was a “Celebration of 15 years of TNG” convention. They’d just made several million dollars at a show in Las Vegas. Surely they could come up a bit, negotiate a little.

Not a chance. Take it or leave it, Wheaton.

I considered their offer, and did some math. I thought about what it would cost for my comedy group. There are eleven of us, and putting together a show is expensive. The people in my group are all professional writers and actors, and I have to pay them for their time. We have to pay for rehearsal space, costumes and programs. I did the math, and when it was all done, if I paid my comedy group what they deserve, I would earn a few hundred dollars. I was unwilling to make them work for less than they deserve. I told this to Creation.
They’d just made several million dollars at a show in Las Vegas. Surely they could negotiate a little.

I offered to do the show for the fee they were offering, but I wouldn’t be able to provide the comedy group. In place of the comedy group, I’d bring some selections from my website: The Trade, The Wesley Dialogues, Spare Us The Cutter, and I’d read them on stage. It would fill the hour, and it would give something really cool and unique to the fans. I read some things on CruiseTrek, and they loved it.

No dice, Wheaton. The offer is for your group. Not for you alone. Take it or leave it. You’re not part of the family.

This put me in a very tough position. I wanted to be part of this show. I wanted to see the cast again. The fans, I thought, would really enjoy seeing me. The fans, I told them, have been reading my website in huge numbers. The fans, I told them, and I have really made a connection in the last year. I think it’s going to suck if I’m not there. They’d just made several million dollars at a show in Las Vegas. Surely they could reconsider.

We’ve made our position clear, Wheaton. You’re wasting our time. Take it, or leave it.

Well, I had to leave it. I think that there is a certain value attached to having me at a convention, especially one which purports to celebrate 15 years of The Next Generation, and while I was willing to adjust that value greatly, They’d just made several million dollars at a show in Las Vegas, and I wasn’t about to undervalue myself.

It sucks, I think, that I won’t be there.

It sucks for me, and I think it sucks for the fans.

Sure, there are fans that will be as angry at me as I am at baseball players right now, and I can’t fault them for that.

But I hope that there are fans who understand why I had to make the decision I made. They’d just made several million dollars at a show in Las Vegas. I tried to negotiate with them, but they had decided that I wasn’t a member of the Trek family, and it is their business. I respect that, though I may disagree with it.

When I hung up the phone with them, I felt awful.

I walked Ferris, which I often do when I'm upset, or stuck, or need to gain some perspective on things.

During that walk, I realized that in the long run this will be a good thing.

Yesterday, I wrote about the scary nature of facing the world outside of what I guess we'll call "your safety bubble."

Star Trek has always been my safety bubble, and getting cut from this convention, along with getting cut from the movie, has pretty much burst that bubble.

As that bubble collapses and pools around me, I step out of its false sense of security.

I take another step into a brave new world, conquering myself until I see another hurdle approaching.

Posted by wil at August 28, 2002 04:01 PM
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Woo hoo!! First post!!!

Sorry, I just had to do it....

I wanted to say the otherday that I think it's pretty cool that Wil seems to be moving into another chapter of his life- maybe he'll be a best-selling author someday? Seriously!

>^..^

Posted by: Toonces at August 28, 2002 05:25 PM

Damn, this entry is really, really long.

If I was smart, I'd have split it up across a few days.

Damn.

Posted by: wil at August 28, 2002 05:32 PM

Wil, sweetie, I'm so proud of you! The convention will be crap without you there, but you definitely did the right thing. Well done. :)

Posted by: Helen at August 28, 2002 05:34 PM

That's all right - you evidently have a torrent of thoughts that are all manifesting themselves as you continue to redefine yourself. Keep it up.

Posted by: LeatheJ1 at August 28, 2002 05:35 PM

Wil, you did the right thing, the only thing, by leaving their offer. Not a big part of the Star Trek Family? I guess they are entitled to their opinion but those of us who love the show and respect you as an actor, in all your endeavors, know better! Keep your integrity, love your family, and never forget your fans know better than those Creation airheads!

Posted by: Terry at August 28, 2002 05:35 PM

I only commented because I thought you deserved something for writing so much! ;)

Posted by: Helen at August 28, 2002 05:35 PM

Tough Choices indeed. I'm glad to see you stick to your guns. A lesser man would have folded.

You're the Man now, Wheaton!

Posted by: Yo!Philly at August 28, 2002 05:35 PM

Da-yum, Wil, I was thinking the same thing. This certainly made up for the lack of posts for the summer. Keep writing, buddy! It's therapuetic.

Posted by: Courtney at August 28, 2002 05:37 PM

Sorry about the busted bubble. You have a new security now, it's called FAMILY. But alas, I can sympathize, different situation different worlds, but that sucks just the same. Sorry.

Posted by: Melissa at August 28, 2002 05:38 PM

how many times can you say "They’d just made several million dollars at a show in Las Vegas." in one post :)

I'm glad you made the long post wil, splitting it up over a few days would've just carried it on. Plus then you'd have more of a chance to edit it.

This way we get the 'raw emotional feelings wil'. maybe. you're a writer now so maybe you already sat down and edited it to death. oh well. it's still a good post. The situation sucks tho...

Posted by: Dave B at August 28, 2002 05:41 PM

Whoa, scratch that wil, you shoulda split it.

That is one huge post. I didn't realize how big it was till I scrolled back up.

Posted by: Dave B at August 28, 2002 05:43 PM

Wil, life is about taking one step, and then another. Just keep taking one step at a time.

Posted by: Patrick at August 28, 2002 05:44 PM

Wil,

You amaze me with your bravery.

You will never not be attached to Star Trek in my book. But that's just a small part of who you are to me.

When you write that book, save a few copies for me. ;-)

I'm going to enjoy reading you on paper.

Best of luck!!!
*MuaFishyKiss!!*

Posted by: Stargazer at August 28, 2002 05:46 PM

I think you're part of the family. Wouldn't have been TNG without you!

Posted by: chica at August 28, 2002 05:47 PM

We all gotta do what we gotta do, Wil. I'm happy that you've found your sense of peace with it. It's amazing how comfortabe we can get with something, perhaps even dependant on it for safety or security. Sometimes, we can even fear it. For myself, for so many years, I was so afraid of death and of failing that when my bubble finally burst, I discovered it wasn't death I was afraid of, but life. Does that make any sense at all?

Posted by: jeffroDOH at August 28, 2002 05:49 PM

Wow Wil, I really wish I can see your comedy group one day, can you guys come and do a show in DC or Richmond? haha any how.

I definately admire your courage in sharing this with us.


I have to say that, to me you;re a BIG part of the trek family. as a little 12 year old kids I saw this guy who wasent all that much older than me (I started watching in 1992 and was seeign reruns on the local independent channel) who was on this show and living anf working with all these grown ups who among them riker who was bad ass. so tme wesley was the shit. He still is to me, it;s funny watching TNG now I see Wes and imediately I am yelling out "IT'S UNCLE WILLIE!"


It seems that WWDN has been really therepudic for you. not only that WWDN has made you a sort of super celbrity not only are you a tv celeb you;re almos one of the biggest personalities on the web. I think to us Wil you're a big part of the trek "family"

I;ve never been to a convention but when I do finnal;y get to one I hope you;re there.

"I LOVE YOUR SITE WIL!!!!! IT"S ME PIKACHUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!"

Posted by: Pikachu at August 28, 2002 05:50 PM

Great story (as always) but fix the links!

Posted by: 003 at August 28, 2002 05:50 PM

Sorry it didn't work out like it should have, Wil; they're fools for not being good to you. Your post yesterday was touching, too. Show biz is a damn tough business. Too bad the good guys don't get extra breaks because you'd be in clover.

Posted by: Topeka Lee at August 28, 2002 05:52 PM

you're right, it does suck that you won't be there, but i at least won't be angry with you. hopefully, if those insensitive few that are read this website, they'll also understand where you're comming from.

good job getting hit on by the porn star ;)

and good luck in the future. you deserve it, may your hurdles be low.

peace wil.

Posted by: alden at August 28, 2002 05:56 PM

Good job, Wil! And as one baseball fan to another, the difference between you and the baseball players is that you aren't sitting on hundred-million-dollar contracts and a steady job.

It takes a lot more guts to walk away from a measly fee when "a paying job is a good job" than it does to walk away from a million-dollar job when you've got millions more in the bank like the ballplayers you compare yourself to.

Keep the faith, my man.

Posted by: Derek at August 28, 2002 05:56 PM

wow

and when i started reading the post, there was only one comment.

oh well. good for you wheaton

Posted by: kristin at August 28, 2002 05:57 PM

There is life beyond Star Trek.

I don't know what it is but I have been told that. HA!

You have done well and will continue to do well.

Rip off your rearview mirror and floor it!

Posted by: Keith in Montana at August 28, 2002 05:59 PM

This, I suppose, has come out of both your most recent entries, but I didn’t get inspired to write until now. I think one of the hardest things in the world is to give up something that has become your comfort zone... the place where you always feel liked, where you know you will meet people who value you and what you have to say. For me that place was the theater, musical theater to be exact. The musical theater community in New York is certainly small potatoes compared to the television and film world, and probably even the convention world, and maybe that smallness is what makes it so very cozy as well. Those who have survived long enough and made it far enough all know each other, and it gets pretty freakin’ comfortable after awhile. When I was working on a show, or even just hanging out at the Actor’s Equity building I felt damn important. I was well liked, my talent was respected and I was a veritable font of musical knowledge and funny backstage stories featuring big-time theater stars (keep in mind that big-time theater stars are pretty much only stars in the world where they live and most people have never heard of any of them, let alone me). So there I was, comfy as can be, and yet finding year after year that I liked the job less, liked the crowd less. One fateful year, as I returned home from a big-time theater tour (starring an bona fide movie star, actually... that’s the way to get people in the rest of the country to actually go to a play), I realized I didn’t want to do it anymore. Not really. So I quit. I stopped going to auditions. When casting directors called, I said i was not available. Eventually I got brave enough to say that I would never be available again. Most of them were really confused (how many young actors will actually refuse an audition for a Broadway show?), but eventually they stopped calling, and I could breathe a sigh of relief. Finally. Because the hardest thing all that time was to say no... to let it all go on without me... to give up that world where I felt sooooo comfortable and flounder out into the “real” workforce where I had never been at the seemingly ripe old age of 28... to be a novice all over again... to be nobody. I’ll tell you though, it’s worth it. In the end, that comfort zone is just holding you back from finding out who you really are... what you can accomplish on your own... how there is actually something out there more satisfying than being a cog in someone else’s machine... fulfilling someone else’s vision.

It’s pretty cool. I think you’ll like it.

Posted by: Melinda Beasi at August 28, 2002 05:59 PM

Okay. This is now only the SECOND time I have ever posted on here.

I just want to say - That is lame as hell that they treated you that way. And saying that you are not a part of the "family" as it were? What the hell is up with that!?

I'll be honest with you - Sometimes, I read your site and I think, "Sheesh. Wil is a really cool guy, but he is WAY too insecure about this fucking Wesley Crusher thing. He should just get over it and move on!"

Then I read entries like this and I think, "Damn. Poor guy. No WONDER he's not over the Wesley Crusher thing." The way people treat Wesley is like... like... It would be like losing your virginity at 14 and having everyone CONSTANTLY remind you, even when you are 30, that the girl was really ugly and no one liked her.

That would piss off anyone.

So, if it's any consolation, Wil, I thought "the girl was hot" (i.e. Wesley was a great character that allowed young fans of the show to finally have someone to identify with - plain and simple - and you portrayed him with a great wit, charm and dignity.)

Posted by: Eric Muss-Barnes at August 28, 2002 06:05 PM

Hey Wil, Thanks for the insight into the politics of SF conventions...it doesn't surprise me, however. It was a pleasure as a kid to attend the very first Star Trek conventions in LA...Equicon '72 and '73, put on by fans, for fans...back when the cast party out-takes were something many parents wouldn't want their kids to see. Actually, by the second year the out-takes had been cleaned up and polished...oh, well. At this point, the blue prints of the Enterprise had been hand drawn by a fan, later to be professionally done. Except for Shatner and Nimoy, the cast was there and doing their best among the fans. It was a little geeky for me at that point, but harmless fun...and after all, the goal was to bring about a Trek movie, so we more than won.

But money ends up ruling and everything turns into Big Dog Little Dog. Reading your post, I can't help but feel and say how far above all that you are at this point. To those who matter, you will always be part of the cast and so much more to everyone as a husband, father, actor, writer and whatever else you attempt.

Star Trek may have been your security bubble in the past, but you're on much more solid ground now. Sharing that process has meant a lot to all of us. Best, Rob

Posted by: Rob at August 28, 2002 06:10 PM

These Creation people are soul sucking, sabre toothed, masturbating Jackals. Having said that, I'm sure they are not all bad. (ok...I am sure they are)
Worry not! You have exciting (scary? oh sure.) options, and I am sure that you will not only continue to excel at writing and comedy, but your world will open up in better and better ways just because you've decided to go with your gut.
Good for you!


Posted by: adrienne at August 28, 2002 06:11 PM

You made the right decision Wil.You know what your people are worth, and though they might have done it for you anyway, you didn't ask them. You chose to maintain your integrity and standing with the people you work with.(ugh! Grammar!)Regardless of what those silly bastards at creation think,TNG would have been half the show without you(5 seasons max)and I really think they should have done more with you and the traveller.(I loved your last episode!)
Stick to your guns, Time will prove you right!
Mark

Posted by: Mark Wadsworth at August 28, 2002 06:15 PM

Okay, now that I've read the *whole* entry, I gotta say the convention people don't know what they're losing. "Not part of the family??" What a load of crap!!! They need to get the sticks out of their butts or something..... >:(

Posted by: Toonces at August 28, 2002 06:17 PM

Hey Wil !

Considering the time it is over here in Germany right now (3:30 at night...) I'm proud to say that I just read the WHOLE article...and even though I'm almost falling asleep (NOT because of the article, though...), I had to post something here, that is really important for me: I have mentioned in an earlier post to your "Spare us the cutter" article, that the most important thing is, that you are proud of what you do and how you did it; a big part of that is to know how much you are worth (not only financially...but it's part of it also...).
So there you go... do I have to say more ? You are on the right way...on the way to yourself... and you pretty much crossed the goal line with this decision you just wrote about here.

Take care, man, and all the best to you and your family ! ! !

Posted by: Sires at August 28, 2002 06:31 PM

Wil,

I saw you at a number of conventions as a teenager even one here in Hogtown. I actually was uncomfortable with them alot of the time. I found ppl either stared alot or were just blatantly rude. I guess they got it in their heads that a teenage girl didn;t actually "belong" in that crowd and I spent a great deal of time defending my reasons for being at the convention. I knew a hell of alot about Star Trek but my number one reason for being there was to see you. I admit it loudly and proudly. Even now some ten years later that would still be my number one reason to go. Whether you were considered a "big deal" or not.

I learned a long time ago the opinions of ppl who don;t know me matter very little. In fact I still face that stigma of "not belonging" only this time its at the hockey arena. You wear a certain players shirt and every one has you pegged as his Saturday night special:P

Anyway I just wanted you to know your appearances were always appreciated. Creation can go screw themselves, they lost one of their best assets. Come on, do you really see the likes of Shatner being able to attract pornstars?

Posted by: Toronto at August 28, 2002 06:31 PM

I'm forever impressed at the folks that see you as more than human or more than any other person on the face of the earth with very similar motivations.

That said, I still like you anyway, you big goon.

BTW, we're having a big ol' ST:TNG "Not Gonna Watch It" fest in Chicago. See you there.

Posted by: Roughy at August 28, 2002 06:35 PM

You did the right thing in turning them down. If they don't know the value of you and your group, then you just told them what it is (or at least what it isn't).

Taking their offer would have made you their bitch =P

Keep up the good fight. Something good HAS to be right around the corner...for your sanity and for the sanity of those of us who choose to spend some time with you here.

Posted by: Zeno at August 28, 2002 06:40 PM

Unca Willie,

At conventions, it is easy to see that it really does matter to you that We The Fans get our moneys worth and are treated with respect. The best thing I came away from Vega$ with last year was the fact that Wil Wheaton is a cool person. Not that Wil is a great actor. Or that Wil is a good speaker. Or even that Wil is Funny As All Hell. But that Wil Wheaton is a really cool *person*. Those bags of Stuff That Will Gather Dust that I brought home do not compare.

I thank you for that.

It's too bad that the convention promoters do not see just how very loyal We The Fans really are.

Oh, and methinks you've been listening to Echo and the Bunnymen an awful lot lately!

Aloha,
Missy

Posted by: Cure Fan at August 28, 2002 06:41 PM

"They both looked up at me, like I am Hannibal Lechter, and begin to retreat."

*laughs*

Posted by: moraelin at August 28, 2002 06:41 PM

Boy, this hearkens back to '74, when I worked the convention at the King Edward Hotel in Toronto with the Pearse family. Prior I had done comic conventions (no-one would remember ORB magazine), so I was pretty up on the mentality that existed at the time. Having people like David Gerrold, the incredibly talented Harlan Ellison, comic artists Bill Payne, Bill Hsu, people like Captain George Henderson, even Jim Whaley, Gus Funnell and the usual gang of idiots made the experience memorable.

George Takei came up and stayed with his relatives somewhere near Spadina Avenue, Grace Lee Whitney graced the stage. She even kissed me! Gosh! We had a complete "working" bridge (provided by somebody's company in Mississauga). Crazy people in crazy costumes, the infamous blooper reel, showings of "The Day the Earth Stood Still" and others, all of these events came together and made it memorable.

Then, EGOS started rearing their horrible heads. People's self-importance grew as Cons grew larger and larger. Cloth-covered tables became aluminum stands became chrome and glass...

It became something else, less of a gathering of nuts, more a gathering of people looking to make bucks. Big bucks.

Geez, they took all the fun out of it.

I'd love to be able to hop into my time machine and take a look back, but I'm fresh out of plutonium, and I need some spare parts for my Interociter.

PS... if anyone can find out what point I'm trying to make here, please let me know.

Posted by: Dave at August 28, 2002 06:50 PM

If you care, I also think that you did the right thing. That was insanely unfair of them to do that to you. And, it's another step, (like you said) cutting the strings of star trek. From what
it sounded like a couple of months ago, you were
done with TNG. For all anyone knows, this could be a really good thing for you in the long run.
Like I said before though, I am not the greatest with words.

Posted by: angry penguin at August 28, 2002 06:53 PM

Wil,

Star Trek is your past man. We all have one, that's why we're here.
I miss high school sometimes and I never had the chance to tell anybody how cool it was (or was not, as the case may be).
Time to move on. That's not advice by the way, just a reflection of what I think you've already acknowledged.

Cheer up. There are a whole lot of shitty things you've never done.

Posted by: Retardacus at August 28, 2002 06:53 PM

Wil,
I just wanna say that I completely agree with you rejecting the offer for your group to do the con for such a small fee (i figured out about how much it is if you all got the same pay and it was only a few hundred each). Sometimes you have to look at these companies and ask yourself why they can get away with what they get away with. I've even heard of a few companies being able to claim losses on the quarter when they didn't reach their "Earned Sales" amount. What's up with THAT? It would seem that big businesses have typified the old axiom of being the "Corporate Monster". Anyways, good for you. WWDN kicks ass and so do you!

Ryan

Posted by: Ryan_W at August 28, 2002 06:55 PM

Wil,

I think you perhaps should think something up other than the usual sketch show you do and make them a counteroffer. For instance, you could hold a startrek improv workshop at the Con, and people could pay extra for tickets to participate in it, etc. I would love it if Wil showed me how to die, fire a phaser, and fly the ship. Heh. Star Trek Improv workshop/class - I'm elling you Wil, it could be awesome.

Posted by: Dale S. at August 28, 2002 07:00 PM

I think that was a very brave stance you took, Wil, and a tough decision. Obviously, these people must have been in a vegetative state during your 4 years on ST: TNG. I 'came of age' while you were on the show and, I'm not afraid to admit I had a -huge- crush on Wesley. Having said that... Where can I send pseudo-hate mail to those "soul sucking, sabre toothed, masturbating Jakals" ?(thank you adrienne!)

Posted by: Stacey Wacey at August 28, 2002 07:00 PM

Time after time I read WWDN and an amazed at how great of a person you are. (for example) Ask a celebrity about the DCMA and see their response... Wil's one of the good ones.

Posted by: bcass at August 28, 2002 07:04 PM

Two things Wil, I was wondering if these guys have ever read your site. You are a fantastic writer and I'm sure that you could put together a great show. If they had taken the time to check you site out they would have found a load of fans willing to see you. I have always bashed the Wesley charater because I was an adult and I didn't like the idea of Star Trek catering to kids like that, but you are still part of the family of ST. Sorry you had to go through that.
Secondly, why didn't you post an url to the woman that came on to you at the convention? Could you post it in BAC?
Good Luck Wil
Paul

Posted by: Grokca at August 28, 2002 07:06 PM

Well, if I'd made millions of dollars at a show in Las Vegas, I would have reconsidered my offer.

The greed--it makes me sick.

You were an integral part of TNG. If Creation can't see that? Screw 'em.

Posted by: Sally at August 28, 2002 07:09 PM

when one company controls the big conventions...it's my their way, or the highway...they tell you when to come, where to stand...and control the costs by squeezin' the non-mega-stars...in the business i'm in (radio), i can feel the end is near...as far as being able to being able to make any meaningful money...a very small number of companies control most USA commercial radio...and with syndication, satellite and automation, your local dj may soon be a thing of the past in all but the largest markets...so my bubble may soon burst on me...it's kinda of scary...but it's exciting too...i've been doing radio since i was 14...and never have had a chance to find out what it would be like to do something else...well maybe now i can find my true destiny...here comes the future...ready or not!

Posted by: d. burr at August 28, 2002 07:13 PM

The moment they said that you weren't a big part of the Trek family, they revealed themselves for the weasels they are. You made the right call.

Posted by: Chuck DeBus at August 28, 2002 07:15 PM

Wil - If, under the circumstances, you feel that not being at the con is a good thing, then I am happy for you as an individual that it worked out that way.

But, as a fan, it does make me angry to read that the people at Creation have so little regard for your contribution and importance in Trek history.

So I am happy for you, but I think they suck. And while I wish the other actors all the best, those convention people can bite me.

Miranda

Posted by: Miranda at August 28, 2002 07:16 PM

Hey Wil. Sorry to see that you will not be at the Creation con, but after reading your story, I say good for you. Too often all of us are bullied about by people/companies/bosses who are a little bigger than us and think they can have us do their bidding. We all need to stand up for what is right and tell these people to fart off. You can stand proudly, buddy, knowing that your fans respect what you do and that the convention is less without you there. (And if not being part of the Trek family means you have a successful life outside of the 24th century, than so be it!)

Posted by: Michael Alcoser at August 28, 2002 07:18 PM

Wil,

Conventions are becoming to comercial any way. I liked them when they were about the stars who were there to talk and sign autographs. Now they are way to much about selling everything we can sell from the "Sci-Fi World" and make the almighty buck. I would rather hand you ten dollars in person and hear you speak then have some business take the money and only give you ten percent. Maybe you should think about setting up a WWDN Convention and travel with it. That would be great! Also, always remember no matter what anyone says..you are part of Trek. I know you brought many viewers to the show who would not of watched it if you were not in it. The turned in when they saw Gordy LaChance on T.V. and stayed when they grew to love Wesley. Now we are all getting to know Wil and you know what...he is better than any character out there!

Posted by: ostheimerd at August 28, 2002 07:46 PM

Naw, this works best not split up. I got sucked in, it flows so well. FWIW, I'm glad you have the right perspective on it; 11 years older than you and I don't think I'd be as mature...

(whispers "Write the book, Wheaton...")

Posted by: Thumper at August 28, 2002 07:49 PM

Howdy. This was a very good post. I just recently found your website (thanks to the Joy of Tech webcomic) and I have truly enjoyed everything I've seen you write Wil. While I'm a ST:TNG fan and a general geek, I've never been to a real con, but if I were going to this one, I wouldn't be mad at you for not being there. I'm glad you stuck up for yourself and I hope that the new branch of your life you seem to be exploring makes you wildly happy. :)

Posted by: Daniel Einspanjer at August 28, 2002 07:53 PM

Hey Wil,
Trek might have been your "safty bubble", but you can think of you 10,000 monkeys as your "styrofom packing peanuts". You'll be just fine.
LK

Posted by: Elkay at August 28, 2002 08:10 PM

Hey wil,
I think that you made the right decision, family first! i think it is awsome that you turn really pretty girls down that a lot of guys would be all over because you love your wife so much!! She is lucky to have a guy like you, there are very few guys in this world that would do that!!! Well anyway, keep up the good work, dont let those assholes rip you off!!!

Posted by: Ericka at August 28, 2002 08:12 PM

Welcome to the real world Neo :-)

Posted by: Reg Barkley at August 28, 2002 08:13 PM

What the hell else were you supposed to do? You knew it was an unfair deal, and you stuck to your guns. Good on you! I wouldn't have been able to see you there anyway - but other fans [and members of the posse] would've loved to see you.

I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles. Never mind, you made the right decision.

Posted by: Tiana at August 28, 2002 08:25 PM

Heart. Soul. Inner strength. The ability to cut through bullshit and other minutia.... no worries. And as for that crap about not being a 'big' part of the Star Trek Family...

what.EV.er... who the hell cares.

Keep being funny and insightful.

Posted by: Rach at August 28, 2002 08:27 PM

As the Good Book says, " shake the dust off your feet as you leave. "

One thing that I have learned in life is when your season is over, it's over. And to stay in a season that is over will get old and moldy very quickly and so will you. I'm glad to see you putting both feet in your new season. It only gets better from here.

Posted by: Vikki at August 28, 2002 08:38 PM

Wil,

Kudos to you. You are still part of the TREK family no matter what Creation says. I like the way you think of the fans and try to give something back to them, so consider what you are doing this time as giving back to this fan. I enjoy WWDN and it is helping me through a rough time right now. Keep up the good work and I look forward to your long stories. ;-)

Dodge

Posted by: Dodge at August 28, 2002 08:46 PM

Well, I think it's a shame that Creation doesn't consider you a part of the TNG family. My mom was fleeced by Columbia House for a good, long time to get the whole series on VHS (btw, it's killing her that the whole first season is now out on DVD), and it and Fraggle Rock sustained us through five years in Germany. I was in middle school and, understandably, identified with Wesley more than the rest of the crew.

I hate to think that Creation would scare you off all cons forever. Yeah, they're commercial, but, by all accounts, they're awfully fun for fans and celebrities alike. What never ceases to amaze me is that, no matter how much they hike up the price, PEOPLE PAY IT! It's astounding.

Good luck!

Posted by: Kat at August 28, 2002 08:59 PM

The Kid is getting hot.
After yesterday's 2 for 5, 1 double, 1 rs, he follows up today with a 3 hit game. 2 rs, 2 rbi's, 1 steal, 1 walk, and a diving shoestring catch in shallow rf.

Posted by: Fred Fowler at August 28, 2002 09:07 PM

Man that sucks, I was all excited- since I live in Vegas! Ah well, you are a good man Charlie Brown. Way to go- I like what someone above said..."Your family is your bubble now" thats a nice bubble to have.

Posted by: samalee at August 28, 2002 09:14 PM

Hey.

You know what?

Fuck the cons and motherfuck the cons.

I mean fuck 'em.

Fuck 'em two tines.

Fuck 'em, fuck 'em, fuck 'em.

Fuck the cons.

Motherfuck the cons.

And mother-FUCK the cons.

Two tines.

TWO times two tines.

The cons are like the RIAA. Their time will come. Continue to use this fucking website to connect directly to your fans. Your old fans and your new fans. Your fans who are prosthetic ear-wearing shut-ins and your trendy new cyber-friends like Spudnuts who is comfortable around women and who likes to wear fancy shoes and who would never be caught dead at a con.

Fucking con.

Fuck that.

If someone was going to ante up $10 for your autograph at the con (I have no idea what the going rate of such things is), then you offer that autograph for $5 and pocket 100% of the take.

You can't make appearances as Wesley Crusher, but you can kick the living shit out of Barney as Wil Wheaton.

Find some of the other Trek guys who are being dissed by the cons and organize... like... a big fucking camping trip where your fans get to spoon with you in your sleeping bag for $75. Give 'em say... 15 minutes for $75. So, if you spoon all night at that rate, you're going to clear like...

More than $100!

Or $1000.

But a lot.

This website is your ticket out.

And it is the key to your power.

That con asshole who low-balled you was once on the ground floor. Now the tables have turned. But the tables will turn again. They will. And that piece of shit will one day beseech you for a bowl of gruel.

That's when you spit in his open mouth and order your fourteen body guards to fucking beat him to death with a genuine prison pillow from the motion picture Star Trek V.

The balance of power is always changing, TVsWW.

Bide your time.

Posted by: Spudnuts at August 28, 2002 09:15 PM

Don't worry about those a$$holes who don't consider you part of the trek family. To say that is to pretty much nullify the enjoyment/enthusiasm that kids had while watching your character and identifying with it (I was one of them ;p). I consider you very much a part of the "family" that is trek. I wasn't very surprised when I read how you had to negotiate to maintain your dignity, even after the company made many millions on their last event. Companies like this are obviously only concerned with the profit and not the fans.

Best of luck in your future endevors (sounds like a year book autograph doesn't it) and I'm sure the experiences you had while you were younger will give you more than enough advantage to succeed.

- lemonkey

Posted by: lemonk at August 28, 2002 09:15 PM

And don't these comic book/sci fi geeks kind of like the dark horse or the outsider anyway? Why not organize an independent con which DELIBERATELY selects only the most marginal of sci fi/comic personalities and unapologetically eshcews the "heavy hitters."

I mean that's where these mainstream cons started in the first place. A bunch of hardcore fans meeting at the Continental Room of the local Red Lion.

So beat the cocksuckers at their own game.

Posted by: Spudnuts at August 28, 2002 09:21 PM

Wil u have quite a story to tell.
Sorry to hear that things havent been goin too well lately.Though still keeping up with the best of em. Hope things go in a better lane for u soon.
I know this may seem like an extreme idea.But what if u worked on being a anime or game voice actor? Just another idea.

Posted by: Rob at August 28, 2002 09:24 PM

I spelled eschew wrong.

Fuck it.

Jesus Christ, I wish I had a milkshake right now.

Posted by: Spudnuts at August 28, 2002 09:24 PM

I'm sorry to hear about how things with down with Creation, but kudos to you for sticking to your guns.

You have a gift for writing, and I hope that you find much happiness and success in it.

Posted by: kendoka at August 28, 2002 09:27 PM

Wil,

Conventions used to be run by the fans... why don't we do that again? You've got a few THOUSAND people here who would love to see you, and who would pay to see you. How about this: write your novel (autobiography, fiction, what have you), and then get the publisher to sponsor a Wil Wheaton tour around the country. You will obviously publicize it on WWDN. And you will be a huge success. Why? Because everybody loves Wil.

I have been reading your site since early 2002 -- and perusing the archives before that -- and I can honestly say that, while you don't know me, I know you better than some of my real-life friends. Nothing would be cooler than just sitting down to dinner with you and chatting about life, the universe and everything. And the thing is: I'm just one of thousands who feel exactly the same way. You have built up a real fan base here, Wil. And it's not just a FAN base, but a friend base. A family base.

Screw the "Star Trek family." You've got your own family right here -- and we love you.

Matt

Posted by: Matt at August 28, 2002 09:37 PM

I truly believe that the key to your success is being in things with catchy songs.

Stand By Me: Yes
TNG: Yes (you should hear the lyrics I wrote)
New ST movie: No.
Cons: No.

There you go. Next time you get an offer, say "But first, a song." Fold your hands and wait.

Posted by: synchronicity at August 28, 2002 09:40 PM

Split this long thing into several days?

NO WAY!

Its great to have the whole story out now.

Besides; How long would we have to wait until we received the final installment?

Posted by: Keith in Montana at August 28, 2002 09:40 PM

Just keep writing, Wil. Not just about Star Trek, but anything. You are a highly entertaining person -- and wherever your career leads you -- you are always going to be in the public eye. And I'm thankful for that!

Posted by: Eva at August 28, 2002 09:48 PM

You've definitely got your shit together and your priorities straight, Wil. Keep being true to yourself. Continue to not compromise your principles or do anything you're not comfortable with. You don't have to be "TV's Wil Wheaton" forever. At the end of the day the only person you have to answer to is facing you in the mirror (very close in line are the people you live with). Congrats on having strength and conviction. You're an inspiration.

You're a great actor, but you're great at a lot of things. Being multi-talented is one of the things that makes you a lucky and well-rounded, likable guy.

Posted by: delphine at August 28, 2002 09:59 PM

Wil,

That's the kind of attitude that has turned alot of fans away from the Trek universe. I can understand that Trek is a business, it's there to make money. But in that regard, it's a pity that Creation can't see that yes, Wes Crusher was only there for half of TNG, but Wil Wheaton is a continuing presence on the net and has brought alot of us back to TNG that had left Trek altogether long ago. Don't they realize that the same demographic that embraces Trek embraces your website and your comedy and the presence you've become? It's a stupid business decision, and while I doubt they'll ever figure out how stupid, I wish deep down that they would.

TK, pouting.

Posted by: TsuKata at August 28, 2002 10:11 PM

Damn, I don't check the site for 2 days and look what happens.

I go to cons. Have for a long time. I went to Creation when it was the only game in town. I go to Dave Scott's cons when he's nearby. I go to fan run cons too, of course they're the best. Why to I continue to go to the commercial ones, when a lot of my friends shun them and put me down for attending and giving the promoters money? Because I hope that some tiny bit of my entrance fee (and sometimes it gets quite expensive) trickles down to the actors I came to support. I like the actors as people. The creative process of telling a story fascinates me, maybe because I tell a lousy story myself.

Sure, I first found these folks because they were on a genre show and were invited to a con because someone saw buck to be made. But I've enjoy hearing their stories. It's live. Some of the actors I've gotten to know better than others. The best guests are honest, working folks who just happen to have a job where they are seen by millions. I made a family of fellow fans, too. Cons are family reunions.

Those autograph only guests. You usually get to talk to these guests one on one instead of the cattle call autograph sessions of the speaking guests. Sometimes you can have real conversations. When I pay for my autograph to these guests, I hand over my money directly to the guest. I know he received it. Really, how many autographs do I need? It's just my way of saying thanks for all the entertainment you have given me, payment for a job well done. As a fan, the autograph only guests are a much better deal. There's a real person there, not just a sharpie pen.

I saw you at those last two Creation cons in Pasedena. Wil, I was happy to see you again. You were one of my favorite characters on TNG, such potential for growth. You signed my cruise photo, you were the last one that hadn't signed. When I heard you had left acting, I thought you'd never come back to a con again and I would have this empty spot on my photo. So thanks for that. You talked to me a bit, and did me a little favor and you were really cool about it. OK, so I got something out of our encounter. But I was glad just to see you. You brought back fond memories.

I'm torn. If I don't go to a con, some actor is out my bucks. If I do go, I'm supporting a system that includes jerks who say Wil Wheaton is not worth paying for. “Well, we just don’t think of you as a very big part of the Trek family.” What rubbish! You were Doctor Crusher's son. Your character was actually part of a family!

Thanks for the insight on what happens behind the scenes at a con. Thanks for taking a stand.

So, maybe I won't be seeing you on the big screen or the TV. So maybe I'll never get to see you at a con again and tell you in person what a great writer I think you are, especially when you write about your family. What a cool person you turned out to be. I still love a good story. And you tell good ones, Wil. I'll still be seeing you around. You're part of my family.

(Oh, wow, this is kinda long. I'm sorry about that).

Posted by: loretta652 at August 28, 2002 10:19 PM

Wil wrote:
"What I really wanted to be doing was playing GURPS and goofing off on this new computer network called GEnie where I could talk to people all across the country in real time!"

LOL! Did you see that poll at slashdot? Only about half the /. population even knew what GEnie was.

Hmm.... I don't know whether that should make me feel old, or make me realize that half the readers at slashdot are 14.

I wonder if half the readers at WWDN are 14.

I doubt it. The conversation here is more intelligent. Sometimes, at least -- when it's not saturated with profanity.

Posted by: Da Schmiz at August 28, 2002 10:31 PM

I don't usually post that often, because I just like to enjoy what you say, and sometimes I take something from it and sometimes I don't. Wil, I enjoy TNG till this day, and you are part of that family. I respect you 100% for sticking to your values and priorities. Saying no to Creation was a good move if not based on principle alone. I used to work tables at Trek conventions and I know what you mean about the terrible costs. You have grown so much over the last few years, as have all of us hitting thirty like myself in a few months. The bubble may have bursted, but that doesn't mean your world has collapsed, tomorrow is a new day and there are plenty of bubbles to go around. "Two roads diverged in a road, I... I took the one less travelled, and it has made all the difference," Frost. Hurdles are good they keep your on track, and ready for what comes next. Mr. Wheaton I met you in my younger years when you were as you say an asshole, but even then I shrugged it off, and took no offense. I look forward to meeting the new Wil someday.

Sincerest Regards, Marie W.

Posted by: Marie at August 28, 2002 10:31 PM

That's awesome man. You've taken another step towards your true dreams, and that's better than most people.

Posted by: BrendoMan at August 28, 2002 10:33 PM

Oh, and about the "you're not part of the family thing" -- isn't it in "Journey's End" that Picard calls Wesley "part of the family" or "one of the family" or something like that?

Posted by: Da Schmiz at August 28, 2002 10:37 PM

Wil,
I have not read so much at once, since I ran into the T2 script on one of the movie sites, last year. Unlike that site, you tricked me into a good read. I did not know your entries seem to be growing up in front of all of us. Business and art just do not seem to mix but you always seem to try. You might want to try a book or a script oneday. With a little effort, you seem to
have a style of your own. I have already written way to much for one comment. Until next time,
F.G.

Posted by: Fabian at August 28, 2002 10:39 PM

for those that might not know..... FARK.com posted the hacked web page of the RIAA today and was mentioned in a few news articles about the hack.... rumor has it now, from HZK Drew Curtis' business partner, the FBI has taken Drew for some questioning and FARK.com has been shut down until further notice. goto FARK's chat for updates!


sorry to barge in Wil, but ya'll might want to know!

Posted by: VegasJ at August 28, 2002 10:51 PM

Wil.

Hey man, the funny thing is, that con is gonna SUCK without you there.. sure there gonna see and listen to bs from all those other people from ST.. but you seem to have more intelligent things to say then them. Id rather go to a con with just YOU as a speaker, then one with the entire cast of TNG, but without you.
Keep up the good posts, and remember, you have a posse behind ya.

Peace.

Posted by: Rob S. at August 28, 2002 10:56 PM

Haha, I think Drew curtis from fark.com is in jail.

Posted by: Rob S. at August 28, 2002 11:07 PM

Wil,

I went to a con in Philly in the early 80's for my 14th b-day. It was one of those VERY cool combo Trek/Dr Who cons too. I just can't believe it's come to this, although I shouldn't be surprised. How sad, because you are part of the family. Far more important than a red-shirt. Keep writing and I know I'll buy your books(s.)

By the way, I went for the autograph signing. I can't even recall who the speaker was for Trek, but the signing was Kirk's son. Woohoo!

Oh yes...some of the links don't work. :o)

Posted by: Helen~the other one at August 28, 2002 11:08 PM

Wil!

England loves you too! Come and visit us all and maybe I'll be nice and stop stalking you (OK two emails in 6 months isn't quite stalking, but I've been busy. No, really.)

Honestly though, the world is full of sucky people and the majority of sucky people wear suits. From now on, put your faith in those who wear lumberjack shirts.

Um, byeeeee

Posted by: PenguinJim at August 28, 2002 11:48 PM

Yikes! I just noticed the date, and have to correct my post: 2 emails in TEN months. Phew! Close one... I nearly looked obsessed...

Posted by: PenguinJim at August 28, 2002 11:50 PM

"Swinging, man. The room falls silent as she walks out. A guy in a Red Dwarf T-shirt drops a box of unopened Magic cards."
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Man...that made me howl. That's right up there with Raymond Chandler's "It was a blonde...a blonde to make a bishop kick a hole in a stained glass window."

Posted by: A Man Unhinged at August 28, 2002 11:54 PM

As someone who used to run "cons" - that wonderfully appropriate slang for conventions - I can say categorically that money, especially big money, poisons everything.

When it's fun and cheap and money in = money out, everyone has a good time and talks about it all year until the next one.

Then you become popular, and you have to put the fees up to get a better venue or pay for more insurance, and it's still almost as good, but you're doing more work which is less fun, for you at least.

But then, at some point something happens. You do the math at the very end and find you're up $1000. Who gets it? You're honest, and so you tell the team, and you split it. But by then it's too late. Someone who did more work begrudges someone who only sold hot drinks that one time, and attended a few meetings.

But because money is now in the equation, next time people _expect_ a little profit and a split and you plan for it....

And suddenly you turn around and it isn't fun for anyone. Not for the organisers, not for the guests, and not for the fans.

But you're making pots of money, and so you carry on....

Ah the memories. If only they were better. So then, the team members who were in it for love drop away one by one, and the people who remain are the kind of people who really, truly, would just about do anything for money.

Great post, Wil, hadn't realised how strong these memories were until you called them back. Even though the feelings are negative, I'm glad I've faced them again. They explain a few little outbursts recently. Hmmm.

Thanks. No, really! :)

Posted by: Shannon at August 29, 2002 12:04 AM

Hi Wil,

My very first con was the TNG 5th Anniversary Con in L.A., way back in 1991. Everyone from TNG was there, except for Denise Crosby. Yes, even you were there (do you remember? Those were the days of free autographs). It was such a blast seeing all of you up on-stage together! I'll never forget that experience for as long as I live.

When I heard about the TNG 15th Anniversary Con in Pasadena taking place next month, I became so excited. I thought, "Gee, wouldn't it be awesome to see the cast up on-stage, together again. Just like my first convention. Woo-hoo!"

So, I proceeded to check out Creation's site. When I first found out you were scheduled to be there, I thought, "This'll be so cool! I've been visiting Wil's site for a couple of months now, and it'll be awesome to see him in person.". Then I saw that, no, it wouldn't be like my first con. No one would be up on-stage together. Everyone would be there at separate times on separate days.

"But Wil is gonna be there, so it's still worth seeing! Yeah!"

Uh. No.

I checked Creation's site again to see their updates on ticket prices. I was disappointed to find your name & image replaced with Patrick Stewart's.

Here's what I'm getting at: When I realized that A) the TNG cast was not going to be on-stage together, and B) you weren't going to be there, it wouldn't be worth the time & money to attend such a boring event.

Anyway, thank you for taking the time out to explain what really happened with Creation. Those bastards make enough money raping our (the fans) wallets. Conventions used to be such fun events to attend, but now it's all about the bucks. What a fuckin' turn-off.

Oh yeah. One more thing.

"At the airport, I see Brent and Gates, standing by the gate, waiting to board our plane. My heart leaps, and I walk towards them, beaming, with open arms. They both looked up at me, like I am Hannibal Lechter, and begin to retreat. They don’t recognize me, at all, until I tell them who I am."

When I read this, my jaw just dropped. I realize that they hadn't seen you in awhile, but Jesus Christ! You couldn't have changed THAT much!

Cold. Just cold.

I'll stop rambling here. Peace.


Posted by: galestorm at August 29, 2002 12:04 AM

Wil,

Those Creation bastards don't know what they are missing.

You should buy yourself a ticket and make your own little side-show.

Better yet, hold a WWDN convention sometime. =)

All the best!

Posted by: Jim at August 29, 2002 12:06 AM

Wil, when you write that book, I'll be snaggin' the hardcopy. And I know a lot of other people will, too. Keep writing. You're good at it, because you speak your mind and your heart clearly and without affectation. Not much on the Web really knocks my socks of these days, but you do, with alarming regularity. You've got talent and tenacity. Don't *ever* let the bastards grind you down!

Posted by: Erik at August 29, 2002 12:16 AM

Wil, not part of the family ???

these people must have balls.

gene wanted you to play wesly.. a part that, from what I have heard was something to do with gene
and his wanting such a life

I started watching STNG because of that character
which turned out to be. Mr. Wil Wheaton....

Data was cool, Troy was hot.. Dr. Crusher
looked like my Aunt... Cap Pikard...boaring..
and #1, was more like #2

I remember a line from the movie;
"A Lion in Winter" Kathrine Hepburn, talking to herself says; "what family doesn't have there
problems." (or something like that..)

at least your working at something you seem to enjoy or why else do it?? what else can Wil do?

porn? I THINK NOT!

how about radio? I'd give up Dave, Shelly & the
Chainsaw any time to listen to your morning show..
(KGB 101.5 SAN DIEGO)

or.. how about working as a graveyard night manager! wow.. think of all the sketch comedy
you could write about doing that.. like just tonight, I helped a guest from Japan, learn
some english.. supplies! :)

and as for the mountain of debt Wil,
I've been there, done that... if you need any help
just ask. I'll help with whatever I can..

goodnight....

Posted by: wade art at August 29, 2002 12:40 AM

Wil,

It's been several years since I've been to a convention, but I used to go a lot and got an education the hard way on the business end of them. I traveled to Los Angeles to see a huge Creation bash after TNG's first year, and while I had a blast and am very glad I went (it was the only time I ever saw Gene R in person and I learned that Jonathan Frakes is hilarious), I was quite disgusted with the Creation people. Among other things, I felt they were guilty of false advertising by omitting from their promotional materials that some speakers required an extra admission fee. Here my girlfriend and I had driven 500 miles for this event and oh, surprise, you'll have to pony up an extra $50 (or whatever it was) to see the whole thing, so sorry we didn't tell you earlier. I tracked down Adam Malin and complained to him personally and he gave me the brushoff. I was appalled by the casual way he seemed to be saying that it was perfectly OK to screw the fans so long as they pay.

And yet, as you say, sometimes you forget the beatings and go back for more. I went to a couple more Creation shows (including one in Tucson in '89 when I had the good fortune to meet young Wil Wheaton, and you were good enough to enthusiastically sign a Wesley sketch -- http://www.starshiptim.com/archives/Wil.html -- I'd thrown together; thanks for that, BTW), and each time found myself aghast at the way the Creation staff was treating their customers. By then I'd been to a couple of Starland-run operations and realized the simple truth that Creation sucks ass. I had more "conversations" with Adam Malin, who was smooth enough to remember my name each time and keep a tone of voice that suggested understanding while he essentially told me to go fuck myself because he had my money now.

So it isn't just you that they don't have respect for. It's they paying public as well. I suggest you keep doing conventions—for all the reasons you cited—so long as they're run by someone else. When you get rave reviews from appearances at Slanted Fedora or StarFest or Cruise Trek and Adam Malin starts asking you to do his shows, you can have the satisfaction of telling him that, frankly, you don't feel his organization is a very significant part of the Star Trek fan family.

Posted by: Tim at August 29, 2002 01:07 AM

Wil, somehow you went from being my most "un-favorite character" on TNG, to the guy whose weblog I read faithfully everyday. That's called talent. I'm not a Wesley fan. I'm a Wil Wheaton fan. Why? Because he seems more real than anything I've seen on Star Trek.

They say that Star Trek is primarily about the human condition. That it's a show about the Star Trek universe and also about the lives of people everywhere. Well, I guess that makes your website an episode of Star Trek. It's at times about the Star Trek experience, but it's also about your triumphs, tragedies, hope and fears. I can relate to your stories better than any episode of "Enterprise."

F--- those bums at Creation. You keep doing what you're doing on this site, and you'll have tons of fans clamoring for you. Who cares about Wesley Crusher? You're so much more than Star Trek.

Posted by: Brandon at August 29, 2002 01:12 AM

I think it takes balls to stand up for what you believe in, and I respect that. Keep standing in that puddle of glue :)

Posted by: missy at August 29, 2002 01:24 AM

First time post here. Why? Because it took a lot of guts for you to tell those Creation folks no. It said to me you wouldn't let just anyone use you. Something also tells me you would have been more mad if you would have said okay to them. Makes me wish I would tell more folks no instead of just taking the money... I wouldn't have worked on as many hokey websites as I have. Good for you, Wil!

Posted by: SvenWeb at August 29, 2002 01:47 AM

'Something that involved exotic language like “Soup du jour.”'

Hahahahahahaha.

Come visit us in England some day, when you've written The Book. Bring autographed copies. :)

Not having everyone there at the special anniversary thing is crap. Why not run your own rival "Come meet Wil" convention...?

Posted by: NickW at August 29, 2002 01:48 AM

Next time, tell 'em you'll be there, take the chump change, and send Spudnuts in your place.

Posted by: Jato at August 29, 2002 01:55 AM

YOU ARE A PART OF THE FAMILY!!!! Like your one friend Gabe, I grew up with Star Trek:NG being my only friend. And when I think of ST:NG I definately have you on my viewscreen. You were "the Kid" on that show that I loved and could identify with. I might have committed suicide without ST:NG because my life during that time was very very sad. Your Wesley character was loved and supported by the other characters and I envyed that because in my world smart yet awkward kids were more likely to be tormented than appreciated. Not that I was made to feel smart by my jock supporting school system. I was ignored by the adults and made to feel like an outsider by everyone else. I am in my mid to late twenties now and happily married and have some great friends...I am doing fine. I went to University, and it was there that I did a lot of self examinations and evaluations and began to like the better me. Though I revealed some personal things about myself here ....I hope that it helps you in some way and that you don't think ill of me. I am glad that you didn't sell out on what you believe. Hollywood can be so fake and insulting to people's intelligance it is good to see that you are not like that. I will definately still be a fan of yours no matter what you do...famious or not. I think it is better to be a fan of decent intelligant humanity.

Posted by: Artisticspirit at August 29, 2002 01:55 AM

Me you and spudz should crash the convention.

Bring some booze, some hookers (for me and spudz) and some ganja.

We could pan handle for you around the convention and you could wear a sign saying "I'm not part of the family take, it or leave it"

We could get all shitty and start picking fights with the dressed klingon hoes and maybe get a klingon gangbang going.

Seriously that sux bro you need tog et some revenge. You were the buiggest part of why some of us kids started watching star trek in the 80s. Its fucked up of them to do this and you need to get some retribution.

Fight the power that beats bro.

DOWN WITH CREATION.

Posted by: hops at August 29, 2002 01:58 AM

Wil.

Tell Creation this. Its the fans who decides if Wheaton is in the family. It is the fans and the actors who makes it all possible, not Creation! F**k Creation. Im sorry bad taste cost you money and suffering. Now im mad, I'll have to go out and beat up something. (Something not alive)

Posted by: Robert at August 29, 2002 02:13 AM

It is the fans and ctors that make up star trek not Creation so they can just get f**k*d you did the right thing:)

Posted by: Phil at August 29, 2002 02:18 AM

I'm one of those that hated TNG (and all things Trekkie since WFS hung up his girdle, wig and built up boots). I came to this site by accident, and got hooked. Not hooked on celebrity, not hooked on someone I fancy, or someone who brings back memories of films and shows I loved. I'm hooked on a fascinating journal by a talented, amusing and interesting writer, who leads a real life, and is happy to share it with us however crap/great/moving/irritating/scary/funny/silly it may be.

The point being - TNG is dead to Wil, and the acting career is on hold. However, Wil lives on. He has everything that is important in life, and will continue to entertain and amuse in whatever field he chooses to focus on. Change isn't failure, change is progression. Long live Wil.

Posted by: Jay at August 29, 2002 02:21 AM

That is a heck of a post Wil! It makes up for all the waiting we had to do while you actaully got on with living your own life. *grin*
Seriously it sounded like a sucky situation and I think you did the right thing.
Now what i want to know is when is the first WWDN convention?
Can we have Spudnuts as a guest speaker? Please? Pretty please?

Posted by: Pete at August 29, 2002 02:23 AM

Wil, you are and always will be a part of the Star Trek TNG Family.
The money grubbing, moronic Creation people obviously can't see past their wallets to understand that reality.
It's their loss.
Maybe you should talk to the big men - Patrick Stewart (TM) and Jonathon Frakes (TM) and tell them your story. Perhaps they can pull a little bit of weight.
In all honesty, you should be there, right alongside Denise Crosby and Dwight Shultz. To the fans it doesn't matter how many seasons you did, what matters is that while you were in the show we loved you, and we still love you afterwards.
Don't give Creation the power to burst your bubble, Wil. Take it back. That's what being in control of your life is all about. You may not get into Creation, but at least they won't have shat all over you and shat all over what Star Trek means to you.
Australia loves you, Mr Wheaton, contact Multiverse and come do a convention down under.

Posted by: AussieLad at August 29, 2002 02:32 AM

Business is business is business...

Too true.

It's still not cool, Wil. :\

I've only been to one sci/fi con. Mostly Star Trek oriented, though. Met a lot of cool people. Specifically, Jerremy Bullock (Boba Fett) and a lady who appeared in "the hippy episode" of Star Trek that was sporting a huge banner above her table reading, "I jammed with Spock". The accompanying picture showed her with some weird-looking harp, and Spock playing his Vulcan... harp... thingie. :P

The two major attractions for this show didn't even make it on the day that I went, ironically enough. Shatner and Montalbon.

My brother went back the next day with a friend to get an autograph from Shatner, and surprisingly enough (can you feel the sarcasm?), Shatner turned out to be a complete ass when he wasn't on stage, and only doing signings.

After reading this, I really wish you could've been there, Dude. It, honestly, would have been really cool to have met you.

If you're ever in the Boston area, make sure you announce it. I'll pay whatever fee to get out there. And, I'm draggin' my wife with me. ;)

Seeya!

Adam "Pegasus316" Fullerton

Posted by: Pegasus316 at August 29, 2002 02:40 AM

To Wil and everone else at WWDN,

Before I ever visited this site I was a typical anti-Wesley Star Trek fan. Now I am pro-Wil and anti-Star Trek. I never imagined that the guy who played Wesley could actually have feelings... I mean, Wesley was HATED, who CARES?

Until I visited WWDN I didn't realise how judgemental I had been. I didn't realise that Wil had a mortgage that he had to pay off, and was struggling to do it. I didn't realise that Wil had brains and the ability to write as well.

I hope Wil gets a good gig. I hope some Star Trek loving Quentin Tarantino equivalent will get Wil a solid part in a critically acclaimed movie that will make him millions and force him to spend less time at this Website.

Neil

Posted by: neilinoz at August 29, 2002 03:01 AM


There can come a point in any business negotiation where, if your basic needs are not met, you have to just fold your hand and walk away. You were intelligent enough to do this even though your emotions were pushing you in the other direction. This was a good career decision for the long term even if you have a cash flow problem in the short term.

(It even has STAR TREK precedent, witness Gene Roddenberry's withdrawal from active producing during the third season of the original series.)

As for whether or not you're a large enough part of the Trek "family", never have a doubt of it. Remember that Wesley was created to be, to an extent, Gene's youthful alter ego -- how much more part of the family can that be?

Let Adam Malin go on with his quest to turn himself into Montgomery Burns. As he does, he's the one who will fall down the wayside of life, not you. You're a mensch, and your sons and wife love you. That's what's important.

Best wishes from my family to yours.

Posted by: David K. M. Klaus at August 29, 2002 03:14 AM

You are funny as hell.

Write the book, Wil...

We want the book!

Posted by: Bill Bekkenhuis at August 29, 2002 03:21 AM

god, i cant believe i just read all those posts! Seriously though, wil mate, you need to do a WWDN con! Might startof slowly with people comign to see wes, but once people realise you are funny and intelligent for being YOU, more people will come. Jesus i sound like that film.. "If you build it, they 'wil' come". Have faith in yourself, don't be insecure, we're all telling you we luv ya! We wanna read your books, we wanna see you make us laugh. We want to see YOU. I couldn't give a flying f*** about meeting WFS, and as good lookin as pat stewart is, i couldn't care less about meeting him either. We wanna see and meet you because you actually took the time out to talk to us geeks/babes (;) and share your thoughts and feelings with us. A person who does this with someone is usually called a FRIEND. You have the most friends on the planet!

Come to UK! I'll bring my FRIENDS x

Posted by: s'becks at August 29, 2002 03:50 AM

Screw 'em. Your family and friends love you. Your dog loves you. Your monkeys love you. Well actually, I love your writing, having never actually met you. But you get the point. In the end, you'd regret not going on a family vacation, missing a birthday, or missing a recital for far longer than not going on an audition or to some rip-off convention. I went to one crappy convention in Des Moines, Iowa and the highlight was a possibly not quite sober Jimmy Doohan being a jerk to a room full of people and the bastards at Creation charging what was for me at the time a few days' wages.

Folks, buy/rent Trekkies. It's a far better entertainment value than any convention. Or Kingdom of the Spiders (click my link) if you need a William Farking Shatner fix.

Feeling low? Look at your dog. Look at your wife. Look at your boys. Or if you are looking for a barometer outside of your house, look at your Walk-a-thon page. Holy smokes! How many struggling actors do you know that could get that much money from total strangers even for a very good cause?

Oh, Wil... you aren't the first Trek star to burn a little dimmer on an infomercial. Ricardo Montalban sold electric grills. (Of course he also did Fantasy Island and lived to tell about it.) And Robin Curtis (replacement Savik) sold some other kitchen wonder. Both of them are working actors.

So what if some think you "sold out" by selling computer doo-dads. But you fed for family for six months. GOOD FOR YOU!

Posted by: BBock at August 29, 2002 03:59 AM

Hiya Wil,

What can I say, but this sucks, for and for all your fans and fan of TNG. How dare they dictate who was or wasn't apart of the ST family. It's a bit like saying Denise Crosby, isn't part of the familiy because she was only in it for a a season and a half. Or John Delance, because he was only a guest in a dozen episodes. Yet all the fans know that they are part and parcel of the ST family, and they would never question it. So WHY do these So called Organisers of the conventions, dare and i mean DARE to tell us the fans who we can and can't see because they want to make even more money. It's sick!!!!

I may not of been able to see you anyway as i live in England, but i still think it's unfair1 Enough of my mad ramblings, your one cool person uncle willie

Kordith

Posted by: Kordith at August 29, 2002 04:25 AM

Both kree yay shun and Slanted Fedora have done numerous shows in the Philly area (where I live) and there are many reasons why Will is better off without doing business with both of them. I'm a 56-yr-old Trekkie, a member of a Starfleet chapter in Philly and one of a small group that helped drive kree out of Philly (they only do Xena cons, here, and they're usually in a NJ location) because we realized it had become about only how much money kree made and nothing else. Scott Slanted is also too money hungry and can't seem to rise above the "New American View" of what quality service means (i. e. " the lower, the better").

Will's writing style makes me very proud. After all, he is a product of, among other things, the Star Trek Universe. Will, keep up the good work and find some other reason to come to Philly - I know a lot of people who would love to see you.

LLAP,
Vince

Posted by: Vince Maiocco at August 29, 2002 04:36 AM

wil: you've got your own greek chorus here at WWDN repeating the same thing over and over...go for it!

Posted by: d. burr at August 29, 2002 04:40 AM

Wil,
I was lucky enough to catch you at a convention in London (at the Royal Albert Hall - I have pictures!) - if that was you not enjoying yourself, I REALLY want to se you at an event where you ARE enjoying yourself! I don't know if you realise this, but you were the talk of the convention - everyone I spoke to was genuinely impressed with your stage appearences - having previously fallen prey to the "Wesley Crusher? Ugh! Who'd want to see HIM?" tendency.
Conventions here in the UK are going the same way, it seems - one or two big organisers producing expensive shows with tons of restrictions - when I first started going to cons they were small, relatively inexpensive and you actually got the meet the guests in person! Now, I've stopped going because I simply can't afford it.
You made the right decision, and the guys who treated you so badly will (eventually) reap what they have sowed. If they try to cut costs on guests and hike the entrance fees, and make arbitary decisions on who is or isn't an important part of Star Trek, eventually they will get no guests worth seeing and no attendees with enough money to spend. IT is not up to Creation, or even Paramount to decide who is an important part of the franchise - it is down to the FAns and (originally) to the GBOTG - after all, he picked you for the role he created - he must have thought your character was 'an important part of Star Trek'!
WFS 'wrote' a book called "Get A Life". Well, Wil, you've already GOT one - congratulations! Now go out there and enjoy it!
Au Res.,
Paul

Posted by: Paul Bines at August 29, 2002 04:45 AM

I remember meeting Adam Malin in 1984 or so up in Houston, TX.

I was attending a fan-run convention (an endangered species if there ever was one!) and he was approaching James Doohan (Scotty) about trying his new convention scheme. I was in the restaurant bar just hanging with Mr. Doohan as I had completed an interview with him for a fan video project and was buying him a drink -- such "closeness" was available back then at the fan-run cons.

Anyway... here's Malin telling him how he'll run these quick in/out conventions, they sound horrid. My experience (as a long-time ST/SF fan) has been fan-run cons, long affairs where the stars are well treated and get involved with the fans and hang with them.

Malin is explaining, "you just come in and do your Q&A and then sign autographs, we can have you on the plane out of town that night" -- basically the genesis of the "slam bam thank yew ma'am" Creation cons we see today.

I've been to only two creation cons, and they were both sterile and ugly experiences to me. Why? For those who've not been and wonder about us ST geeks here ya go:

1) High ticket prices, and tiered tickets... like having to pay $50 for two days so you can be right by the stage

2) All the dealers are Malin's buddies or his own employees, therefore the merchandise is over-priced (like one con I went to in my home town and the toys were at the Toys R Us for $10 less)

3) Created merchandise by Creation so they can continue their $$$ efforts

4) No real chance to hang with the stars...unless they get a small turnout and things change (ala Wil's experience with a few fans)

5) No content or panels... all Creation does is put the stars on the stage, out to autograph and puts on some videos; if they really go all out they might have a costume call or a trivia contest

I still support fan-run conventions, like AggieCon in Texas which has a long regional history, wuns for *FOUR* days and usually only costs a fan about $25 for a ticket... there is content, chances to see friends, filking, gaming, movies, videos, contests, lectures, readings, and speakers and autographing.

Anyway, I remember with fondness "real" conventions and I detest what Malin has done to them with his "quickie/screw the fans" cons.

Wil, I know you will rise above this... and we at WWDN support you.... it is too bad that he didn't keep you on the bill in a proper way, but all Malin has EVER cared about his bottom line and making the highest profit possible.

HUGS!

***THE BEEJ***

Posted by: ***THE BEEJ*** at August 29, 2002 04:55 AM

Quick question ... do you have any idea how much they made at the show in Las Vegas?

Posted by: tj at August 29, 2002 05:04 AM

Just another vote in the you-did-the-right-thing camp, Wil. You should be damn proud of yourself.

Posted by: Josh at August 29, 2002 05:09 AM

I can't believe they told you that you weren't a part of the Trek Family! They are idiots.

I saw you at a Trek convention back when you were still on the show. This was long before Creaton got to be the greedy bastards that they are now. We were sitting in the front row waiting for you to come on. About 15 minutes before you were scheduled to come out, you just walked into the room and sat down on the floor in the front with the rest of the fans, and just watched what was going on on stage. Very few people seemed to notice, but we did. It was hard to miss your bright tye-dye shirt. I just thought it was cool that you seemed to be a real person.

You gave a good talk. The only thing I really remember is talking about how you were dealing with the "kill Westly" sentiment that many had. I still have a picture of you signing an autograph for me.

I think that this DEFINATLY makes you a valid member of the Trek family!

BTW, you should autograph some of the Next Gen DVD box sets and auction them on ebay. I'd buy one!

Posted by: Chuck at August 29, 2002 05:33 AM

what the people running these cons never seem to understand is they wouldnt have all their million dollars without the fans. you are someone the fans want to see, give the fans what they want. the good thing is youre doing new cool things, this website is very well run and interesting to read. being that there are millions of sites out there, being an interesting one is hard to do these days! :D

Posted by: kat at August 29, 2002 05:41 AM

I've noticed lately that pretty much anything Wil says on this site about Trek gets reported all over the place, I see it on Scifi.com and all kinds of other places. So, who knows, maybe this latest thing will get some coverage and it will guilt the Creation people into including Wil in the con. I've dealt with Creation through my dayjob, and they are really a very fussy and disorganized bunch. It kinda doesn't surprise me they're dissing our dear Uncle Willie, just because they're so jerky in general.

Posted by: Ursula Hitler at August 29, 2002 05:43 AM

Y'know what. I've heard it said before, that Creation suck, and I've always reiterated that their a business, and they have a profit margin, whether we like it or not. And, in my humble opinion, that's true.

They still suck though.

Posted by: Nick C at August 29, 2002 05:46 AM

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

Hey Wil, fuck 'em.

If they want to treat you like the night janitor, they and their stupid convention and cram it up their coal chute.

When you are accepting your Oscar for best screenplay or when your novel hits #1 on the NY Times Best Seller list, you can gently remind them of the time they blew you off.

youknowwhatimean?

Posted by: michael at August 29, 2002 06:05 AM

Wil, I think the book idea is great. I know that if you were coming through Florida, I would drive to see you! When something for the fans turns into a major money maker for the organizer, it isn't for the fans anymore. I know it would be hard to leave Arena and head out, so maybe that isn't the way. But keep the blogging up, we'll keep reading.

Posted by: heiskell at August 29, 2002 06:07 AM

Wil,

i think its fairly clear that the whole Star Trek franchise and everything about it has been totally fucked since the end of TNG, and possibly even earlier(around the time Rodenberry died). You did the right thing by not taking the convention - if they dont wanna pay you what your worth then its their loss!

Praetor - Melbourne,Australia

Posted by: praetor at August 29, 2002 06:09 AM

You got hosed Wil, you got hosed.

Posted by: Popey at August 29, 2002 06:33 AM

Two points:

Creation is evil. You hit it on the head Wil, they treat the fans like shit while taking the money out of their wallets. I've never workedwith such a condescending group of assholes as Creation staff.

Major League Baseball players are not evil. I do think they have a point on principal. And compared to the money the owners are making, what they want seems fair in perspective. However, it does not seem fair in the real world, out here where I'm supporting a family of five on $20K a year. I'm thinking I should give Savekaryn a run for her money and post my PayPal link...

Posted by: Gette at August 29, 2002 06:34 AM

how big a part do they think you'd have to be?
177 episodes in total. you were in seasons 1-4(100 epi's) and several in the 5th year.

these con people must not be very good at math(except when it's dealing w/ money in their pockets)

aaah who cares. WWDN and Arena are the best things you've ever done(with the exception of Stand by me, that's a fine piece of work as well)
drew

Posted by: drew at August 29, 2002 06:37 AM

Whats so funny about this post, is that Wil is making himself even more of the Star Trek legend than he ever was before. If there ever was a place where the Star Trek family lives, its the internet, and right now, Wil, you OWN cyberspace. You are the one online daily, in touch with the fans, and showing your very human side. This is how things start- at the grassroots level. Someday, after your tell-all WWDN book comes out, these fools at Creation will be begging to get you- my hope for you is that you refrain from ever working with them- even when the spotlight is directly on you.

Another thought- why don't you and some of the other Star Trek cast members create your own Convention company, work out a deal with Paramount (or not), and then be the only source of Star trek Conventions for the Genuine Cast Member Family™, and effectively cut out Creation? If you get the right people together, and create the perfect fan based experience, I think you would be incredibly successful at it.

If you build it, they will come...

Posted by: Gaf at August 29, 2002 06:38 AM

Whats so funny about this post, is that Wil is making himself even more of the Star Trek legend than he ever was before. If there ever was a place where the Star Trek family lives, its the internet, and right now, Wil, you OWN cyberspace. You are the one online daily, in touch with the fans, and showing your very human side. This is how things start- at the grassroots level. Someday, after your tell-all WWDN book comes out, these fools at Creation will be begging to get you- my hope for you is that you refrain from ever working with them- even when the spotlight is directly on you.

Another thought- why don't you and some of the other Star Trek cast members create your own Convention company, work out a deal with Paramount (or not), and then be the only source of Star trek Conventions for the Genuine Cast Member Family™, and effectively cut out Creation? If you get the right people together, and create the perfect fan based experience, I think you would be incredibly successful at it.

If you build it, they will come...

Posted by: Gaf at August 29, 2002 06:39 AM

It sounds to me like Trek, and show biz in general, is a really crappy "security blanket," no matter how snug it may sometimes feel. Wil, you are too talented and too capable to be treated the way that industry has occassionally treated you. Your writing here has always impressed me. You go guy!

Posted by: Paul at August 29, 2002 06:53 AM

First of all I have to say, "You Rock".
There is no other website (celebrity or not) that receives as many comments or hits then yours.
I don't know if you read your comments or not, but after reading abt 20 or so, my brain goes numb, so If you read this, great!
Wil, write a book. I'd buy it, and that's saying something because I'm a cheap ass and hardly buy any book new. You may ask why to write a book, cause there are a lot of people like us that will buy one and lots more that aren't computer savy enough to get to your site that will too.
You have many interesting things to say. Each day I eagerly await your next exciting post.
And you never know, you could be a best seller, and maybe pay off the rest of your bills...

One other thing...fix your links...

Posted by: Inkeeper2097 at August 29, 2002 06:55 AM

I have never been to a convention, but if I were to go, it would be because YOU would be there. I find it hard to understand why in the world they wouldn't consider you as part of the Star Trek family..ok so, you weren't there for the last few seasons. And ok, you weren't in the TNG movies. BUT you were there in the start. personally, when I (or anyone I know for that matter) think of TNG, I think Wil Wheaton. I think Wesley Crusher. You were there from the beginning and you built a strong fan base. None of my family or the friends I had at the time would have even bothered with TNG if we hadn't already been fans of yours. And none of us would have stuck around. When you left, we quit watching shortly afterwards.
It sux that they made you feel the way they did. But its cool as hell that you have grown and you are able to step beyond TNG. I think the convention people are missing out when they turn you away. But hey, its their loss. You are a great guy and I know that anything you put your mind to you can accomplish. You have a wonderful website and you have brought so many people together. Congrats Wil, on your new found freedom!! Take care..be safe

~JENNIFER~

Posted by: twisted_lil_thoughts at August 29, 2002 07:18 AM

I'm sorry about you not being at the convention. You don't need to do that convention. Not if they aren't going to treat you right. Next time. :)

Posted by: Angelwwolf at August 29, 2002 07:34 AM

HEY!!! AN ECHO AND THE BUNNYMEN REFERENCE!!!

Well Done.

Posted by: BRODIE at August 29, 2002 07:54 AM

Given that the character you played on ST:TNG was pivotal in many episodes (how many times did Wesley Save the Ship?), AND the fact that you have probably the tightest connection (ouch!) with your fans on the Net through WWDN than any other TNG personality, AND were going to actually do an f'ing PERFORMANCE for the thing (who else exactly is planning to come and do more than stand and talk and sign a few ag's?) .... it's simply cowdung that they'd stonewall you on the fee. At least we'll know now what folks were denied because of their greed, and maybe that will come around and bite them in the ass.

You were right to stand up for your own self-worth, as well as that of your fellow comedy group members. You were right not to try to go ahead with it and skimp on what it took to do a show you'd be proud to put on for the fans. From what you've written here, I think that would've made you feel dirtier than any of the other milestones before.

You were right not to let them take advantage of your less-than-cushy, don't-have-millions-in-the-bank status to let them pick you up as a "fire sale" item.


As for the length of the post, yeah it's really, really long ... but so what? It's a single thought, colored with all the life details that brought you to the conclusion that you ultimately made. For you, it was undoubtedly cathartic to work all the way down through them to make the circle. For us readers, trying to piece together the flow reading from bottom to top through the blog, would have been pretty frustrating.


Besides, I hate those comic strips where they only dribble out a little bit of the story each day, so it takes a whole week just to spit out a five minute conversation :-)

Posted by: landy at August 29, 2002 08:01 AM

Wil,

Business is business, as you have found out with the Creation Con people. There's no excuse for their treatment of you because even in the most competitive, cost-contained environments there still ought to be room to treat people like human beings instead of commodities.

Of course it didn't happen that way with you, and when you and your troupe were treated with less respect than the Creation people give to their attendees and cleaning ladies, you made an entirely business-like decision to pass. Why should YOU be expected to treat your troupe badly on behalf of Creation? You did the right thing, Wil.

It reminds me of the time I went to buy a car and worked with a sales guy for a couple of days trying out different models. Finally time came to fill out the bottom line. I showed up at the dealership with money in hand and the sales guy I'd worked with is nowhere to be seen. Some other fellow who said he was the sales manager stepped up and told us that it was our sales guy's day off and that he'd handle the sale. I said, "Oh, that's funny -- your sales secretary called us this morning and told us that XXX (the sales guy) would be here waiting for us now. So, what's up?"

Not only was it not our salesman's day off, but it turns out the SM got wind of us coming in and managed to get the paperwork made out with his name on it as the sales person AND got the secretary to make the call telling us to come in when our sales guy would be out to lunch.

I was livid!

I read the paperwork over and pushed it back to the guy and said, "No sale." And picked up my checkbook and walked out.

He came running after me, protesting that the sale was binding, etc. etc. I turned around and told him that he had no business taking the sales commission away from the man who'd worked for days with me on selecting the car, etc. I remember saying to him, "I do not do business with people who mistreat their fellow employees on my behalf." And I turned again to walk out.

It was hard to do because I really wanted that car. I'd saved up for it, had gotten a decent price. But I just couldn't be a party to mistreating other people.

I was already in my old car, buckling in when the sales manager type came running out of the building with the paperwork and HIS boss. Turns out his boss was the owner of this so-called "family dealership" and so I stood there in a baking hot parking lot and told the owner how disgusted I was with the unprofessional conduct of his so-called sales manager toward the man who'd done all the work in making the sale.

The owner turned to the sales manager and asked what happened. That's when the truth came out about the dirty trick this guy tried to pull. About that time the salesman we'd worked with came back from lunch and he figured out what was going on right away.

Long story short, I got the car, the salesman got his commission, and the dealership couldn't do enough for me. The owner apologized for the game playing. I don't know what happened to the sales manager, but I hope he got his ass fired.

Anyway, ya just gotta do the right thing Wil -- and for the right reasons. You did both and you survived to tell the rest of us. It's edgy to display your growth processes for all the world to see -- I admire that.

Take care!

Posted by: spacewriter at August 29, 2002 08:02 AM

Well...

You know, I think I speak for the lot of us monkeys on the Soapbox when I say "What a bunch of hosers". Not part of the family... Yeah, right. You did what you had to do, and from the sound of things, it wasn't easy. There's no way to excuse the way they treated you, and I'm glad you decided to take a walk rather than give in. Way to go!

Posted by: Wolfman at August 29, 2002 08:07 AM

Amazing stuff. I think most, if not all, people have a bubble burst in life - I had a small one burst when my Dad died, and a HUGE one burst when an airplane hit a government building less than two miles from my house (the Pentagon.) I will never be the same - neither will you, Wil! But you knew that.

Also, you hit the convention thing smack on the head - I loved going to conventions back 10 years ago, as a geeky kid. The first few NovaCons in Tysons Corner, VA were a blast! But then it got so commercialized - I went to Cons where the first 50 rows of seats were empty. TVs were set up outside so that all the people in the autograph lines could skip the talks and wait outside, in the heat, early, to get an autograph. And they became non-kid friendly - I grew sick, as a teen, of being bombarded by sick images of Data and Tasha Yar in the seller's section! I don't want to know the people that buy this stuff.

I haven't been in some years now. I'm still afraid to go back... except it would be cool to see the guy who always comes dressed as Geordie again! He was cool!

Posted by: pup at August 29, 2002 08:15 AM

Okay, so maybe I am not in the nurrie munching mood today, but I think you made a BIG mistake!
I realize that you have principles and an ego, but to walk away from a chance to get that much exposure in the public eye seems really foolish.
There are some actors that would work for FREE to get a chance to be a part of something that big.
Only a few hundred dollars?
Dude, I like you, I respect you, but I think you totally let your ego get in the way of a great opportunity here!

I know the comments about you not being an important part of the Star Trek family probably cut you deep, but that is all the more reason to prove them wrong!!!!!!!!

There is an entire demographic that stopped watching the show when you left and to ignore that was foolish on their parts. The only way to show them is to attend and let the fans speak for themselves. We love ya man..I think you let a great opportunity slip though.

*someone had to play devils advocate* :-\

Posted by: NephraTari at August 29, 2002 08:17 AM

Wil,
You did the right thing, and although some fans will be disapoointed, I'm sure most would understand. I can't get over the fact they'd treat you like that, ofcourse you're a part of the Star Trek family! Grrrrr......
Again, you did what's right for you, and that's all that matters.
Incase people don't tell you enough, I love this site btw. So many great people here!
Anyway, chin up. We're all here for ya :-)
Miki

Posted by: Miki at August 29, 2002 08:23 AM

Creation will just have to do without my $400. You are part of the Trek family. A good thing-YES! "They'd just made several million dollars at a show in Las Vegas..."

Posted by: ze-mag at August 29, 2002 08:27 AM

Ladies and gentlemen...Wil "the crusher" Wheaton!

Posted by: ze-mag at August 29, 2002 08:30 AM

Man, Creation STINKS!

I was at the Vegas Convention ... and BOY are they a bunch of Money Grubbing screw up's if you ask me!

I mean Kate Mulgrew was there ... and she doesn't do many conventions these days ... yet they 'bragged' in the Vegas Program how she had only 300 tickets sold to get her autograph, so it won't take long.

Yeah RIGHT! Creation sold 500 to 700 MORE at the convention ... so there were 800 to 1000 people in her line!

I had to leave in the middle of her speach, just so I could be #250 in line!

Then there was the Tim Russ' screw up ... where the powers that were, after I'd been waiting (as a Gold Chair Patron) in line already for an hour (and others behind me, even longer), where they'd inserted the GENERAL ADMISSION people in FRONT of the line and even when we complained, never made them do an about face, and got the END of the line!

Then there is the thing about autograph tickets in general. The Auto tickets are numbered, and when they run out of numbered tickets ... they are supposed to stop (as they always advertise that there is a 'limited number of tickets available'), but they just photocopied BLANK ones and kept on a selling!

Did you know Wil, that what I experienced at their Vegas Con is now common? I wonder if you REALLY got paid for all the autographs you signed when you have done these for them in the past!

Well, when I read your page about all of this, I saw RED! It was the last straw for me as far as these guys are concerned!

I just fired of a message to them at:

[email protected] and also copied [email protected] telling how much I think it SUCKS that they are doing this!

I hope that EVERYONE else writes Creation and tell them to get off their high horse .... and pay Wil what he deserves!

Imagine .. them NOT considering Wil to of been part of the ST:TNG crew? How STUPID of them!

GRRRRR!

And don't EVEN get me started on what Creation has tried to do to the Slanted Fedora guys!

I mean as soon as Slanted Fedora had to cancel their event in Vegas, in September, look how fast that Creation canceled THEIRS!

BTW Wil, are you attending the special Creation ETN "Bridge party" mentioned here:

http://www.sfedora.com/Las%20Vegas.htm

on their website?

I sure hope that you'll be attending as well, the Slanted Fedora convention in Vegas in April as well, as currently they have you listed as going on their website here:

http://www.sfedora.com/Las%20Vegas%20'03.htm

If you ARE attending, can you update your convention appearence on your website?

I'd love to go, especially if YOU are going to be there Wil!

Posted by: cincygal/Forever_the_Optimist at August 29, 2002 08:42 AM

"STAR TREK BOTTOM"..is not THAT a oxymoron?

Fuck them!!

No I have NEVER been to a "con"(funny thing about
THAT word)..would I go if Wil Wheaton was there
as a speaker?

HELL YES!!

NOW its NOT Wil Wheaton of STNG fame...

IT IS Wil Wheaton of WWDN fame.

Yes the fans DO love you.

YOU..for you and for what you stand for,stand up
for and WHAT you HAVE done with your "celebrity
status."

Fuck them...and their stupid movie!

Posted by: bluecat/redblanket at August 29, 2002 08:46 AM

Oops ... I meant to ask Wil,

If he was attending the SLANTED FEDORA Bridge Party Event on September 6th, as it's talked about here:

ttp://www.sfedora.com/Las%20Vegas.htm

Posted by: cincygal/forever_the_optimist at August 29, 2002 08:46 AM

And WHEN you see "another hurdle approaching.."
JUMP!!!

Posted by: bluecat/redblanket at August 29, 2002 08:47 AM

One more thing ...

This whole issue is now being discussed here:

http://www.trekbbs.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/006723.html

on the TrekBBS site.

Personally, I think we should ALL 'Storm the doors' at Creation ... maybe (though doubful) we can help the BUY a clue .. and prove to them how WRONG they are for leaving Wil out!

Everyone should e-mail them telling them what a HUGE mistake they are making!

I mean I think they (Creation Entertainment) REALLY have their BUTTS up their arses this time!

Posted by: cincygal/forever_the_optimist at August 29, 2002 08:54 AM

cons never come to my city anyway.. i've yet to go to one cuz i have no car and no money. but seriously, if you were doing one and i could muster up my friends to go with me, i would do my best to go.

and now, this isn't for the wesley crusher wil wheaton but YOU from WWDN!

the people at creation are bloody stupid.

seriously, you should go on tour as a standup comedian or something. who needs 'em?

Posted by: liz at August 29, 2002 08:58 AM

i think you are just an amazing writer. Enjoy reading your blogs all the time, and besides, I had wee crush on you as Wesley. ;)

Posted by: Liah at August 29, 2002 09:25 AM

Yesterday I made an irreverent comment about this, so I might as well add a serious "mad as hell" comment.

Who the hell do these con people think they are saying you're not a big part of the Trek family? What a weird statement. Obviously they don't know what they are talking about. As I've said over and over, you did a great job with the character, and it was a character young people could relate to.

And look at the body of work you've done outside Trek - it's great. That talent is first and foremost why we're all here. Look at the popularity of this site, too! Clue in Con-man, maybe Mr. Wheaton is a star on the rise and you JUST - DON'T - GET - IT.

Those cons aren't a major part of your career anymore, so no great loss. All it means is that your growing legions of fans will half to meet you sommewhere else.

Posted by: synchronicity at August 29, 2002 09:29 AM

Wil-

I would not go to a star trek convention unless you were going to be there.

Troy

Posted by: Troy at August 29, 2002 09:46 AM

In my experience any time a marketing executive gets involved in the decisoin process the soul of whatever project being developed gets sucked against a microscope slide, pressed into a two-dimensional parody of its former self.

Keep up the good work, Wil. I think the destruction of the bubble just means you're now free to step forward.

Posted by: Joel at August 29, 2002 09:47 AM

DAMN SHABBY TREATMENT for an original cast member who's only saved the ship and everyone on it about TEN TIMES. And who also has lots of online acquaintances who would surely show up at yonder con to say "hi" and buy stuff. But who probably won't, and will tell their friends not to, and who have a whole helluva lot of Trek friends in the LA area.

Eff 'em, they're ripoff artists.

Posted by: Jeff Zugale at August 29, 2002 09:56 AM

Wil,

I think you're a better man for this. It takes a lot to do what you did. I sure wish I could make the sacrifices you've made. I probably wouldn't be sitting here at my computer, typing this crap that no one will ever read, waiting to go to work in an industry that is dying. I would be doing what I love for a living. Performing theater in front of thousands.

Maybe one day.

Congratulations, sir. You made my morning a whole lot better.

Posted by: Eldon at August 29, 2002 10:05 AM

Damn. Where are the pics of that hottie porn model?

Posted by: christopher hearns at August 29, 2002 10:06 AM

Lost my mojo for conventions about 10 years ago. And it has a lot to do with the fans, and not the stars. I have a healthy obsession with Trek and other sci fi, and I fear that many, many, many take this stuff way to seriously. But, hey, if that's your game, you go. Besides, I went to the conventions for the dealer room anyway. And while I have a dream of sitting down with some like Wil and have a great conversation about the weather, the events of the day or whatever, sitting in a room with 700 fans is not what I call fun. So, knowing that's never going to happen, I'll enjoy the reruns and WWDN. Whatelse is there?

Posted by: Electric Monk at August 29, 2002 10:07 AM

Here I am, way down at the bottom where no one will ever read me. *lol*

Great leaps are hard to take, but you seem to be at that crossroads in your life, Wil, where you either move ahead or fall behind. Your self-awareness will save you - you are on the right path.

"Not a part of the Trek family", eh? I'm sure that if they brought that little comment up to the other regulars from TNG, each one of them would have a rebutt in your favor. I find it darkly humorous that a CONVENTION circuit feels they have the right to tell you that you are not Of Trek. And they ARE? *sigh* Stupidity runs rampant in the world, I fear, and even moreso in those who perceive themselves as "powerful".

Good form, passing up their offer. Yeah, the whole money thing bites. The baseball strikes suck. The government spending well beyond its means sucks. Taxes suck. My electric bill DEFINITELY sucks. But unfortunately, this society has been built around the Almighty Buck, and much as we love to hate that particular sword, we do live and die by it.

The convention will go on, and will probably be a major success. But no one can deny that excluding a part of the family (even the red-headed step-child) will leave a void, whether people want to admit it or not. Celebrating TNG should include the whole package - from Patrick and Brent to Denise and Uncle Willie. And hell, even Transporter Chief #7 from episode 34, if he's willing to attend. ;)

So, stay home that weekend and enjoy the time with your family. And remind yourself that at least you didn't sell your soul to the sharks.

Posted by: Lenz at August 29, 2002 10:10 AM

Hon, you are an excellent writer, a great actor, and seem like a real sweetie. But I've got to say this:

If you "turn your back" on Star Trek one more time, you're going to need a revolving door. If you want to get out, do it. Decisively. Once and for all. Don't vacillate, going from loving it and remembering how fond you were of it, to sticking your finger down your throat at the mention of Rick Berman's name.

I'm sure he WAS a problem -- he's tanked what was once a very fun, intelligent show and stuck every cliche in the world onto it. But you can't keep saying, "Get me out," then, "I want back in." Stay the hell out if you want. Just make the decision and stick with it. It seems as if you still have a lot of ambivalence about Trek and your role in it (which is not a problem), to the point where the unresolved feelings are bouncing you around like a yo-yo (which *is* a problem).

N years ago (however many,I can't recall), you "turned your back" on Trek because they were actively trying to demolish your career in feature films. And you've spent the past N years alternately hating it and trying to get back into it.

Just get out. Cut the cord. GET OUT. If you want to get clear of it, then DO it. If you don't, then accept that it's part of your past and that you *will* have to play the same political game you said you hated to be part of it.

You left the show N years ago PRECISELY BECAUSE they were tanking you, and now N years later, you want to get back on stage with it and are mystified as to why you aren't welcomed back.

I'm not going to address that. But I will note that getting the hell out was what you wanted to do, N years ago. I'm not trying to be snotty -- I'm just saying that you should DO IT. Get out and stay that way. Close the door and move on. Stop calling Creation, stop wondering why you got cut from the movie, stop EVERYTHING having to do with Trek. It is not part of your career anymore. It's not part of YOU anymore, and every time you try to throw it in reverse and try to make yourself part of that world again, you keep your roots mired in the past and don't move toward a future.

Do the cons for the money when you can. But DO NOT look with covetousness at the Big People on stage and wish you were one of them, because N years ago, you got the hell out PRECISELY BECAUSE you didn't want to be one, and it was a rational, intelligent decision. Honey, you should stop forcing yourself to re-make that decision every couple months. It was a great decision the first time -- stick to it.

Posted by: Janis Cortese at August 29, 2002 10:27 AM

I have to say Wil, that since following wwdn the last few months that seeing you on stage at a convention would be far more of a draw that anyone else. Sure I'd like to see Stewart or Spiner, but I guess to me you're more real. I only know the rest of the cast in their roles on TV, you're a person I admire. It's a shame that you won't be there, but I'm glad that you took a stand.

Now sign my guestbook dork! :)

Posted by: Jeffery at August 29, 2002 10:28 AM

I said that instead of than...

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Posted by: Jeffery at August 29, 2002 10:30 AM

I said that instead of than...

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Posted by: Jeffery at August 29, 2002 10:30 AM

I just want to know where the pics of the porn star is......

Posted by: Pete Kriegel at August 29, 2002 10:31 AM

Wil ... You and I have had a couple of brief conversations over the years (at cons, and at Paramount in the summer of '91, while I was a writing intern at TNG). I've also had a couple of "close encounters" with Adam Malin and his cronies.

You seem to be someone who started out as a very warm, friendly kid, then went through the rough times you've talked about in your posts - and finally turned out to be an intelligent, introspective, compassionate, caring man. Adam Malin, who body-slammed me out of Eric Stillwell's office doorway because I happened to be in his path, seems to me to be a money-grubbing horse's ass. Yeah, you need to take care of your family. But there's got to be better ways to do that than taking money from Creation. Screw 'em. Do as the posters here have suggested: write a book, then have your publisher set up a tour. I think your posse will show you who's a member of the Star Trek "family" and who isn't.

The woman who played your MOTHER didn't know who you were? Shit, Wil, does she have eyes?

Posted by: Carol at August 29, 2002 10:35 AM

Should you go, should you not? Only you can answer. What bothers me is that some of the other stars should take a stance and demand that you be there. Surely they believe you are a part of the Star Trek family. I'm sure if they refused to do it without you then the people who run the cons might change their tune.

Posted by: Artone at August 29, 2002 10:59 AM

Wil:

Mighty Reflective these days. That's cool. You've earned it.

I took a look at the site for TNG 15. Now, I don't go to conventions anymore simply because I'm a TREKKIE, not a TREKKER, and they ain't the best place to pick up chicks unless you're Sweet Uncle Wil, as you've demonstrated. However....

WHAT A FARKIN'RIP! Hookers don't cost that much! (er, so I've heard)

While I don't mind paying for an autograph and all that (you've got to work for a living) but being charged just to stand in line for the privelege? Plus entrance fees, etc! Didn't these things used to be fun?

Read Harlan Ellison's essay on fans (it's in a book he published about 10 years ago - I'm blanking on the title right now). Some of the crap he's been through from people who admire him makes your experiences seem like you've been stroked. And I mean that in a good way.

You've made the correct choice (as if you needed me to tell you that). Respect isn't for sale - it's earned and you've been earning it here.

Duh.

Good luck in everything!

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-Chris

Posted by: animeraider at August 29, 2002 11:04 AM

This is my first post here, Wil--

I was prompted to post because your decision with regards to the whole Convention thing (and yesterday's post about acting vs writing) has hit very close to home for me.

I've been a writer in the roleplaying game industry for about 10 years. No major hits, but a solid string of work, and some fans. Recently, I made the decision to, as you said, step beyond the safety of the world I've always known, and stop doing RPG work. I'm concentrating on finally getting a novel out, so I can finally feel like a "real" writer.

I guess what I'm saying is: thank you for opening up the way you do on this site. It's very inspirational (and I mean in the real sense, not the religious-channel movie-of-the-week sense).

Hang in there.

Posted by: Gareth at August 29, 2002 11:12 AM

Creation ought to be ashamed of itself!! You aren't a big part of the Star Trek: Next Generation family?! That's complete and utter bullsh*t!!! Wesley Crusher is the whole reason why I started watching ST:TNG and all the rest of the series including DS9 (which i really liked, Wil! Grrr...) and even Voyager (which is nice... yeah). I read a book with Wesley in it and it inspired me to watch the show, buy all the merchandise and went to conventions that you weren't even at. Creation made money off of you without even knowing it. Without you and Wesley, I wouldn't be a Star Trek fan. So they can take their big business mentality and shove it. I might not go to one of their conventions now, depite what other actors I might want to see. Not a member of the Star Trek family my @$$! They consider Tasha Yar a member of the family, and Denise was on the show for less time than you were! (Not that she isn't a member of the family... she is, and I like her very much.)

You should go out on tour and do your own conventions. We'd come out and see you. Creation isn't the only business that can host a convention, you know. They might be Big Brother, but the don't rule the world.

Brent and Gates didn't recognize you?! How weird is that?! Did you have a full beard and glasses on? You still look like you. 10 years older than when you were on the show, granted, but it's not like you changed that much! Strange.

You've got your shit together, though, Wil. Most people don't. Shake 'em off, Wil, shake 'em off. :o)

peace, love, and Big Business Sucks!

Posted by: angie k at August 29, 2002 11:15 AM

OK, this is my first post, so let me just get couple things out of the way. Stand By Me is one of my all time favorite movies, and TNG is probably one of the best shows ever put on the intellectually barren wasteland of TV. I never had anything against the Wesley Crusher character either. And Beverly was definitely a MILF. Although Deanna Troi was probably hotter, we all know Worf wore that out beyond what any human could do.
It is so cool that I just happened upon this website. Keep it up Wil, it rocks.
As for closing the book in your life as far a TNG, it's probably the best thing. Your talent and wit are very apparent to all of us who visit this site, and it can only be a matter of time before an opportunity comes your way to show what you can still do, be it writing or acting. Rock on

Posted by: patfloyd76 at August 29, 2002 11:23 AM

Wil,

you are an incredibly wise man for your age. I've got almost 10 years on you and yet you seem to be teaching me things about life on a daily basis.

All I can say is "Thank you" for your straight shot perspective on things.

You just keep doin' what you gotta do!! Your real fans will stick by you no matter what.

I'm realizing all over again how fortunate I was to meet you and get your autograph at the San Diego ComicCon a couple of years ago. It's the only autograph from a TNG cast member that I have and It means alot to me. Like it or not, You'll always be part of the TNG family as far as the fans are concerned. Those guys at Creation should be kissing your ass.

ROCK ON WIL!!!!!!!

Posted by: shrednfred at August 29, 2002 11:25 AM

What???? Your own mom didnt recognize you at the airport? How sad...

Screw Conventions, keep blogging

Posted by: weatherman at August 29, 2002 11:29 AM

On a tangent -- and Wil, you did the right thing; fuck 'em, fuck 'em all:

From one SJG enthusiast to another, what are your favorite GURPS supplements? Have a favorite genre? Kewl gaming memory?

Man, not only is Wil Wheaton a sabermetricically-inclined baseball fan, a Nader voter, and a sweet guy, but he plays GURPS.

Posted by: Lord Rasputin at August 29, 2002 11:49 AM

Wil, you absolutely did the right thing. I've been reading a bunch of financial advice, lately, and the concept that I've been neglecting in my financial life is ROI - Return On Investment.

You made a great assessment of the ROI of doing the convention. You would have been putting much more into the convention than you might get out of it, and that's not fair to your family or fair to you career-wise. You've got to take care of business.

And what Star Trek and Creation seems to be forgetting is that we, the fans, determine who is and isn't a part of the Star Trek family, not them. We love you. Hell, I loved Wesley.

Posted by: ElectraSteph at August 29, 2002 12:04 PM

Wil, I've noticed in the past year how Creation has really turned against the fans. I'll protest when I go to the con, wear the "William Fucking Shatner" shirt, and bitch to Creation every moment I can (I've already bought my tickets, with you being one of the major selling points.) What a bunch of corporate bastard whores. *anger*

AstroDee

Posted by: Dee at August 29, 2002 12:16 PM

Well, i guess it's unanimous...
we all think you did the right thing for a variety of reasons..
I'm pretty amazed at Creations lack of intelligence...
have they NOT noticed the loads of acclaim and publicity this site is getting?....
seems like every other week i see some news show or magazine mention this site what a success it is...
Creation are fools not to recognize your worth.
and worst of all, they've pissed of a significant portion of trek fans, that all grew up loving your character..(and you as a performer)
It's there loss wil.....and they lost big time...

sooooooo.....
now...on with the uncle willy show!
this whole thing you've begun is really building a hell of a momentum...
time for wil to get crackin on a big ass novel....tellin it like it is.....
you've got a big market out there that will certainly buy it...
so whatchu waiting for?....
WRITE, DAMN YOU.....
KHAAAANNNNN!!!!

Posted by: Tyson at August 29, 2002 12:23 PM

well hello there wil.

first time caller...uh, first time listener too, truth to tell. but as i was directed here by a friend, i felt compelled to do some reading and i must say--you are a remarkably articulate, entertaining writer and i'm all kinds of pleasantly surprised (nothing personal--but until about 20 minutes ago i knew nothing of you besides a duo-chromatic uniform and a shiny intercom insignia that goes *bleep*).

so at any rate, i'm glad to hear you're coming to terms with the Con scene. the subculture can certainly be harsh, but i appreciate your ability to take things lightly; may i one day have the grace to do likewise. as it stands, i'm a writer making my first tentative appearance at DragonCon saturday...and i gotta tell ya, it's gonna be a cheese fest.

i'll be the tall, skinny redhead in a corset hocking a horror novel. perhaps i'll see you there.

i'll wave or something.
;-)

Posted by: cherie priest at August 29, 2002 12:58 PM

every post wil does is the EXACT SAME!!!
all you fucking yes men and syncophants just cant see it for some reason.
all posts start of with a kind of depressing story where he pines about what hs life has turned into and how he used to be this big rich powerful actor and now hes just a simple sketch comedy man but he really "works his ass off".,.. then at some point in his storys he either gazes at anne or takes his dog for a walk and has some sort of religious experience where he realizes that he doesnt need star trek and he is happy with who he is and he can just be a simple family man, a good father and a good husband,.. this stuff was inspirational the first time i heard it, but every update its the same formula and i dont buy it anymore. how many times does he have to say hes a well adjusted writer/family man and he's "taking on a new hurdle" or "letting wesly die" or "i am wils freedon" or "I see another hurdle approaching" or "Sometimes we know in our bones what we really need to do, but we're afraid to do it."
the more you say it, the less it means.
Also his self depreciating stance is getting old to.
"i am a failed actor" wah wah wah
the thing about acting is, like any artistic endevaor your never a failure unless you no longer have the passion to do what you do but you do it anyway.
well you say you no longer have the passion and that you want to be with your family more, i mean, youve said this about fifty times i get the message!!! but do you?
the more you say it the less it means dude.
dont want to be an actor?
stop going to auditons, do an infomercial or 2, write a book.. just whatever you want to do, fucking do it and stop talking about how you want to do it or you think its time... wesleys dead? str trek doesnt matter? you say it alot but the fact that you keep bringing it up makes me think that your trying to convince yourself that you dont care and that youve moved on.
if wesly is dead
and star trek doesnt matter.
then shut the hell up about them.
i can see through you wil.

Posted by: the richest dead celebrity at August 29, 2002 12:58 PM

This is a first post for me....It has been an inspiration reading your posts....I do want to say have been and will always be part of the TNG family for me....I don't think I would have related to the show as well as I did at age 14 without you on it....You and Patrick have always been on my favorite lists....
To bad Creation is so full of themselves....
On a positive note....IT IS RAINING IN THE DESERT!!!!!! (literally)

Sunshine

Posted by: Sunshine at August 29, 2002 01:11 PM

Wil,

I want you to know (you probably already do, but I'm telling you anyway) that Star Trek has absolutely nothing to do with how cool a person you are. You have a wife that adores you, two kids that love you, and wonderful friends and family. I didn't stay at this site because you were in TNG, I stayed because you are a caring, compassionate, intelligent person who speaks his mind. This world would be wicked awesome if there were more people like you. I'm not trying to suck up in any way, I just want you to know that you have a wonderful life. You are a hero to me.

Posted by: Pmacca01 at August 29, 2002 01:11 PM

How is it James Cromwell is a bigger member of the TNG family than Wil? I'm just in shock, and maybe a there's a little disgust, but I can't get my eyebrows back to normal after seeing that.

Posted by: Angela at August 29, 2002 01:13 PM

Not part of the family? Right. They have no problem calling & offering good money to a no-name actor for those conventions who had a stint on "V", or acted in "Battlestar Galactica" and did nothing else, and yet someone like you who's a definite member of the Trek family is treated like an outsider? That's wrong.

Personally, I'd say we should boycott that convention, but since I only attend one a year (Shore Leave, in Hunt Valley, MD...cause it's close to home..sorta..), it'd be a null point for me.

But I still think that's wrong. And I think something should be done about it.

Posted by: Scott at August 29, 2002 01:14 PM

the richest dead celebrity : That was pretty harsh. But get this - Wil is human, like you and me and he expresses a lot of uncertainties that all of us go through in life at one time or another. Everyone has insecurities - it's his blog, so he can write whatever the hell he wants. If you don't like what he has to say do not come to his site and read it. Simple enough? As for you, Mr. Wheaton, you are an intergral part of the StarTrek TNG family and I'm sure Mr. Steward and your other TNG colleagues would agree :) It's part of your past, for better or for worse, so there is no denying it.

Posted by: SpaceCadet at August 29, 2002 01:17 PM

Oh, and one more thing, Wil. I first visited this site in early September 2001, because I wanted to see what happened to the guy who was the TNG’s “Wesley”. But what keeps me coming back (even after weeks) is your wit, your dry sense of humor, your insight and charisma.

Posted by: SpaceCadet at August 29, 2002 01:23 PM

I've got an idea, people should stop bitching about the cost and content of the cons AND STOP GOING!! It will be a bit scary at first, and it may hurt, but cold turkey is the only way.

p.s.

Wil-
write a bloody book already!

Dee2

Posted by: Dee2 at August 29, 2002 01:36 PM

I've got an idea, people should stop bitching about the cost and content of the cons AND STOP GOING!! It will be a bit scary at first, and it may hurt, but cold turkey is the only way.

p.s.

Wil-
write a bloody book already!

Dee2

Posted by: Dee2 at August 29, 2002 01:36 PM

Rock on, Wil! As much as I'd love to meet you at a con one of these days, don't let 'em undervalue you. Those Creation guys chew it hard, in my book.

Posted by: scott at August 29, 2002 01:38 PM

Sorry about the same post twice, my little rant made a wee bit light-headed.

Dee2

Posted by: Dee2 at August 29, 2002 01:39 PM

okay, who knew wil's proper name is richard?????

Posted by: s'becks at August 29, 2002 01:44 PM

Wil, you for sure made the right choice it sounds to me like the people in power were pulling some kind of whacktacular power trip. Of course they had the money, of course they could pay you what you asked and much more, it's a question of power and seeing how far they can make you crawl through the trench of feces for it.

Right on to you for making the right decision, stick to your guns and don't allow your talent to be undervalued at firesale prices. It may seem like you are playing the chump this time around, but in all honesty it pays off in the end.

-C.

PS: did you get the PO Box open yet? I have stuff I want to send you that's not anthrax or pipebombs.

Posted by: RepliConan at August 29, 2002 01:47 PM

Good for you, Wil. How insulting that they would think you weren't a big enough part of The Star Trek family.

I can't believe you haven't finished the "Spongebob Vega$ Pants" saga yet. Hard to believe that was almost a whole year ago. I remember we had our marathon IM conversation the night before you left for that. Time flies.

For what it's worth, I think you're right. I think the promoters are making a mistake by not having you at the Con. WWDN has brought you so close to people who were your fans then, as well as introduced you to new fans, like me.

Posted by: Brandee at August 29, 2002 01:48 PM

I first visited this sight cause I wondered what happened to you (I am sure you sick of hearing that). But every day I am drawn back to read more about you. You writing has a way of connecting with people. You have deffinitely found your calling.
As far as the Con goes you did the right thing.
TSLG :)

Posted by: TSLG at August 29, 2002 01:49 PM

I feel very sorry for you Wil - but I feel even worse for the fans....

I attended the Vega$ convention there in August, after flying all the way over from Scotland to meet some of the living legends who never seem to come to the UK.

Anyway, although Wesley Crusher is nowhere near my favourite character, I do like your website, and I do appreciate your honest opinions.

Frankly, Adam Malin couldn't run a piss up in a brewery, and I was appauled at having to actually line up after paying $400 for Gold Tickets to not even be in the front of the line, as the website promised! Arrrghhh!

The actors were understandably cranky, at having to sign millions of autographs, and this made it miserable for fans who lined up for ages - only to not even get a few minutes of talking, or a photo with the star!

Granted, there were some brilliant exceptions, like George Takei who made the convention for me - but William Shatner was an a**hole in person. Yuck!

Anyway, Wil, for a PROPER convention appearance, consider inviting yourself along to www.kultureshock.co.uk, a fantastic shop managed by a bloke called Dave, in Norwich, UK.

Whilst you're there, you could also go to Page's Bar, London, get drunk, go on stage and deliver a brilliant Q&A session:

http://www.pagesbar.net/index.htm

Now those are REAL Star Trek conventions - 30 or so people hanging on your every word.......

Regards,
Iain.

Posted by: daedalus5 at August 29, 2002 01:52 PM

Okay kiddies ... go here:

http://www.trekbbs.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/006723.html

There is information here ... on how I think we should let Creation know what crumbs we think they are.

I wonder if the rest of the ST:TNG family know how shabbily that Wil is being treated by Creation?

We should do our very best to let them know to be sure!

Posted by: the_optimist at August 29, 2002 01:54 PM

Another great story, Wil. Myself, and all the other trekkies here at WWDN will always consider you as one of the Star Trek family. By the way, has anyone actually seen Red-Dwarf? It is the funniest show in the world! See all you smegheads later!
Mel

Posted by: Mel at August 29, 2002 02:02 PM

Okay...

I'm a long time reader and this is the first time I've just had to come out and make a comment. So here's a delurked rant.

Wil - if you read this - tell those morons to go screw themselves. I cannot for the life of me believe that anybody that is/was/could be a TNG fan could dump you from a con like that.

I grew up watching that show. I wanted to be Wesley for the longest time - and I appreciated that kids could be a part of the magic. But then I went to Cons, got screwed by vendors because I was too starry eyed to realize that $50 for a block of wood that looked vaguely phaser was a bad idea, and because my parents knew that if I didn't see WFS I was going to freak. So I quit going. And I kept watching, but then I quit.

And the fact that a show as good as TNG has turned into merely a way for the grassf-ers in Hollywood to squeeze more money out of fans doesn't surprise me, but it does piss me off. Especially when they have the balls to tell Wil that HE isn't part of the family. It was one of the happiest days of my young nerdy life when Wes got to put on the red uniform. Saying he wasn't part of the show is basically pissing on me, in my mind.

Anyway, delurked rant over. If anyone reads this, I hope they are as annoyed as I am.

Posted by: Brian at August 29, 2002 02:15 PM

Those convention people are brainless morons. You are a part of the Star Trek family. Yes, you left before the show ended on TV and haven't been in the movies but four solid seasons and guest eps is a big deal.

It totally bites that they were low balling you and your group. Good thing you turned the a-holes down.

Posted by: Ness at August 29, 2002 02:25 PM

I think good things are on the horizon for you. What a very exciting and scarey time. Hang in there and do what feels right and what you love and it can't help but work out! A year or two from now, you will be looking back and saying, Wow!

I am so glad that I found your site. It is just so interesting to read your thoughts. You are how I imagined you would be back when I was a wee girl watching Stand By Me and having a huge crush on you. Intelligence and looks to boot. How can they turn you away?

Well, good luck and keep the thoughts coming!

Posted by: April Sylvara at August 29, 2002 02:57 PM

Cut from the convention AND the new movie??? That really DOES Suck!

It is comforting to know, Wil, you are a dedicated family man -- who needs movie roles & Trek conventions when you got family (well...I guess you need money like the rest of us!)

Posted by: BowlingShirt.com Dude at August 29, 2002 03:02 PM

Pay no attention, I'm just seeing if I can post- I wasn't able to before.
Love, Alicia
www.thewagband.com

Posted by: Alicia at August 29, 2002 03:39 PM

Wil, you did the right thing! YOU stuck by what YOU felt was right! I would personally love to see you in convention, but living up here in oregon, it'll probably never happen. And I certainly wouldn't expect you to appear for less then what you're worth! Convention = speaking = working!

And shame, SHAME on them for saying you aren't a member of the family! Wesley was always one of my favorite characters. I personally think the series lost alot when you left.

Remember that the part you played will live forever. There will always be a ton of fans who support you and the acting/work you do today. I wish you the best of luck in reducing your debt, and in your entire life.

- sara

Posted by: sara at August 29, 2002 03:49 PM

Hey Wil~
Thanks so much for your gifts. I'm no big star or nothing, but I have known the irk of being cut entirely out of a film. Dayplayer, U5, principle. It matters not. Still hurts. At any rate, as an avid reader of your site, I must say, somewhere along the line this past year I stopped reading as a Star Trek fan (although I am still one) and just started reading as a Wil Wheaton fan. And guess what. I'm not going away. Con or no con. So there. Deal with it. YOU are what we want to know more about, (especially the struggling actor side for me) not Wesley. Dude, Crusher didn't have HALF the talent you have. Why? Cuz Crusher didn't care. So again. Deal with it. You're loved. (Not like that. :)
And wait... how much money did they make in Vegas? I don't think I caught that...
cheers,
tim

Posted by: Timb at August 29, 2002 04:07 PM

Wil,

Make em, make em, make em respect you.

I didn't know anything about the con game until I read the posts here. Now I know you did the right thing by:

1. Trying to negotiate
2. Giving the finger

In that order.

You stood up to the freakin bullies. Now they can't pat themselves on the back for makin you suck up.

And F Star Trek and Paramount, too. What show once had brilliant social commentary disguised as kid-TV (with at least passable science) now just panders to an audience that's mostly afraid to miss some detail of the Treknoverse.

And Tasha Yar got to come back in a popular way, with a real role and a real script (yesterdays enterprise). Wesley could be ressurected at any time in a way that fans would appreciate, so F them for stringing poor Wil along, until he wised up.

Even Technobabble used to be fun as a launch point for learning real physics. Until tetrion radiation was invented. And whatever particle of the moment saved the ship by clouding somebody's freakin sensors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Prefix Code.

So I stopped watching Trek. Never saw an episode of Enterprise. Might not see the next movie. Cause I grew up, and I don't care any more.

I like to come to Wil's site and read his blogs. That's a little more real for me.

I agree with Janis -- quit looking back.
I agree with richestdeadcelebrity -- move on, and tell your sad sad story not so much. Tell about Wil movin' on.

I first came to this site because my bud told me to look and see how pathetic Wil Wheaton had become. Now I come back each day to see how Wil Weaton tries to do what's right, mostly. And I like that damn "mostly."

Wil, you don't give a crap about who I am, but I am glad to care about what happens to you.

Later.

Posted by: Drakensykh at August 29, 2002 04:23 PM

Wil,

Make em, make em, make em respect you.

I didn't know anything about the con game until I read the posts here. Now I know you did the right thing by:

1. Trying to negotiate
2. Giving the finger

In that order.

You stood up to the freakin bullies. Now they can't pat themselves on the back for makin you suck up.

And F Star Trek and Paramount, too. What show once had brilliant social commentary disguised as kid-TV (with at least passable science) now just panders to an audience that's mostly afraid to miss some detail of the Treknoverse.

And Tasha Yar got to come back in a popular way, with a real role and a real script (yesterdays enterprise). Wesley could be ressurected at any time in a way that fans would appreciate, so F them for stringing poor Wil along, until he wised up.

Even Technobabble used to be fun as a launch point for learning real physics. Until tetrion radiation was invented. And whatever particle of the moment saved the ship by clouding somebody's freakin sensors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Prefix Code.

So I stopped watching Trek. Never saw an episode of Enterprise. Might not see the next movie. Cause I grew up, and I don't care any more.

I like to come to Wil's site and read his blogs. That's a little more real for me.

I agree with Janis -- quit looking back.
I agree with richestdeadcelebrity -- move on, and tell your sad sad story not so much. Tell about Wil movin' on.

I first came to this site because my bud told me to look and see how pathetic Wil Wheaton had become. Now I come back each day to see how Wil Weaton tries to do what's right, mostly. And I like that damn "mostly."

Wil, you don't give a crap about who I am, but I am glad to care about what happens to you.

Later.

Posted by: Drakensykh at August 29, 2002 04:25 PM

Wil,

Make em, make em, make em respect you.

I didn't know anything about the con game until I read the posts here. Now I know you did the right thing by:

1. Trying to negotiate
2. Giving the finger

In that order.

You stood up to the freakin bullies. Now they can't pat themselves on the back for makin you suck up.

And F Star Trek and Paramount, too. What show once had brilliant social commentary disguised as kid-TV (with at least passable science) now just panders to an audience that's mostly afraid to miss some detail of the Treknoverse.

And Tasha Yar got to come back in a popular way, with a real role and a real script (yesterdays enterprise). Wesley could be ressurected at any time in a way that fans would appreciate, so F them for stringing poor Wil along, until he wised up.

Even Technobabble used to be fun as a launch point for learning real physics. Until tetrion radiation was invented. And whatever particle of the moment saved the ship by clouding somebody's freakin sensors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Prefix Code.

So I stopped watching Trek. Never saw an episode of Enterprise. Might not see the next movie. Cause I grew up, and I don't care any more.

I like to come to Wil's site and read his blogs. That's a little more real for me.

I agree with Janis -- quit looking back.
I agree with richestdeadcelebrity -- move on, and tell your sad sad story not so much. Tell about Wil movin' on.

I first came to this site because my bud told me to look and see how pathetic Wil Wheaton had become. Now I come back each day to see how Wil Weaton tries to do what's right, mostly. And I like that damn "mostly."

Wil, you don't give a crap about who I am, but I am glad to care about what happens to you.

Later.

Posted by: Drakensykh at August 29, 2002 04:27 PM

Sometimes you just have to stand up for what you believe in. Creation smells. You're better than that. If they come back to their senses, you can do more conventions then. In the meantime, I'll see you wherever you perform in the L.A. area. Just let us WWDN fans know.

Scott

:)

Posted by: Scott at August 29, 2002 04:31 PM

hey wil...
i'm not to savvy on conventions...i've never been to one, and unfortunately i wasnt around when you did star trek, so i couldnt watch it, or wouldnt understand any of your future cons. Although, i would love it if there were ever just a con, about you inparticular...or maybe whats left of the cast of STAND BY ME! i am still in love with that movie...sigh. its kind of funny though, that you are a very good writer now, and in the movie, your adult was a writer also! ^ ^ anyways, i live in florida, so any cons there, would be extremely nicE! and dont underestimate yourself!! i would be willing to pay good money to see you do one!!
best wishes and prayers,
sara , [email protected]

Posted by: sara :) at August 29, 2002 04:36 PM

hey space cadet "Wil is human, like you and me and he expresses a lot of uncertainties that all of us go through in life at one time or another" when you said that i was obvious to me you didnt get my post, will seems to have one uncertainty that he goes through in life over and over again, and he writes about it tons of times, just using different words.
he has two underlying problems, he thinks he was a bigger star than he was and he cant let go of wesly.
the proof of this is that he cant write a post without mentioning that he doesnt need wesly or star trek, and that he keeps mentioning how fucking popular he used to be (btw he was never even a houshold name) anyway, i wasnt really trying to insult him, just point out that he hasnt had one original post on here in months he just keeps recycling this angst over no being wesly and not being on star trek not being a working actor and bla bla bla,
i was just saying id like to read a post where will doesnt talk about how he doesnt need startrek or where he doesnt talk about how famous he used to be, or where he isnt so fucking self depreciateing in a passive aggressive way.
whatever, as long as you jack asses keep buying into it there is no reason for him to stop.

Posted by: the richest dead celebrity at August 29, 2002 04:50 PM

How is James frickin Cromwell more apart of the ST "family" than you are? He did one movie and you were in 4 seasons of the show? OMG unbeleivable. And I'm quite sure you weren't asking for some outragious amount of money for you and your groups services. Bah, you're better off without them, although the fan base suffers for their greed.

Posted by: kaisho at August 29, 2002 04:52 PM

Well, I normally don't comment in strangers' logs, and though I've been reading it for some time, that doesn't make me a known entity.

I just wanted to tell you that I agree whole heartedly with how you handled yourself, Wil. Integrity is the bottom line, and you know your own value. The Con-peeps clearly do not have their finger on a pulse that beats, and whether you are part of the Trek family or not, it will be their loss.

Everyone must come to terms with their own development, and we all pass through stages in our lives. Perhaps by this exclusion you will be stepping into a new and better stage. Maybe this is telling you that you do not need the support of a Trek Family to keep you standing.

Speaking as a starving artist (a far worse state than being a starving student), I am looking forward to leaving the stage of life that I am in and moving on into one that will promote my own growth. I am hindered where I am and as circumstances crop up that make me doubt myself and lose hope, others grab me when I least expect and draw me away from the hurt and fear. There is no one from whom I will accept a value but myself, and when I am undervalued I am pushed to prove my worth.

You go. See you on the next stage.

Posted by: Maya at August 29, 2002 05:10 PM

Wil, you have more class in your big toe than just about anyone else that's ever been associated with the Star Trek franchise. You also have something that most of them are still desperately searching for -- a real life.

Most people, when they watch 'Galaxy Quest', take away the message that they should make the best of their situation and not regret their past. You apparently took the same message, at least for a while, but look at what you really got.

Yeah.

Regret is normal. Regret is healthy. Regret is our built-in alert system, telling us that we must -break- with the past and move on.

Sure, the other TNG cast members may still be big on the convention circuit, but what else do they really have? The simple fact that they got roped into doing Yet Another Trek Movie should be a huge warning to them, but... *shrug*

The paycheck isn't everything. You're discovering a whole new career in writing and activism, and you're meeting a whole new fanbase who genuinely likes you as Wil rather merely tolerates you as Wesley.

Walk tall, man. Your life is just beginning.

PS: I hate Creation, too. The pre-Creation cons for Farscape were legendary. Now they're a joke. Not even the cast shows up anymore.

Posted by: Michael H. at August 29, 2002 05:11 PM

Jesus. You are a seriously great writer, Wil. This was incredibly good.

Posted by: Lara at August 29, 2002 05:12 PM

GREEDY SELFISH STINKING BASTARDS IS WHAT THEY ARE!


I think I'll call in a bomb threat the day of the con!

Posted by: Mr.Kaboom at August 29, 2002 05:33 PM

good for you wil:) good karma in this.

Posted by: romana at August 29, 2002 06:13 PM

Hey Wil
I have to say that I have a whole host of things to say but most are not directed at you except to say way to go! I can not believe that the asshole would say what he did to you. Who the hell is this guy that he thinks you are not a part of the TNG family. Thats like saying I am not a part of my family. I always knew that those conventions were bullshit events and this just proves it to me. I must be angry because I usually can write about a subject without all the profanity, but of all the idiotic things for someone to say. I GOT IT!! Lets all get a giant game of dodge ball going with that guy in the middle. If the baseball players are going on strike maybe they can get some practice in by helping out. What do you think?

Posted by: Patrick at August 29, 2002 06:25 PM

Random Aside:

Your character in TNG was someone I could empathise with... (did I spell that right? lol -- must remember to check back for humerous responses to my bad spelling lol) simply because of the fact that Wesley Crusher seemed to summarise teen-angst but in an (obviously!) completley different world-scenario thang. But, that said (am I making sense!?) even though the world-scenario was completley different, the issues and situations the character went through were scarily similar to many teen "rites of passage". (eg. The episode with the disease/virus/doo-hicky where everyone gets "intoxicated" - a la Data yabbering "I'm fully functional" [ vom! ] -- Wesley Crushers behaviour -- similar to a teen getting drunk...?)

Anyway - I've digressed and rambled (sorry!) but, the main thrust of this was that (to me at least!) you were a big part of Star Trek as the character that I could most "relate to" when I first saw it as the characters "growing pains" were similar to the ones I was experiencing at the time.

>

Is them being phenomenally anal -- could someone drop me an email address where I can rectify their opinion? :)

Posted by: Rob at August 29, 2002 06:41 PM

Ok - I messed up with the last comment, you'll have to view the source to see it in full (unless Wil's kind enough to correct it for me) sorry! :-(

Posted by: Rob at August 29, 2002 06:42 PM

I wish everyone understood their worth like you're starting to, Wil. You held all the cards in the situation, and you played them beautifully. It's truly their loss that you're not going to the con. I'm sure the entire Star Trek cast are all lovely people, but personally, I stopped watching the show when you quit. To tell the truth, I never liked the original Star Trek, and I remember the only reason I even watched TNG was 'cause I saw an article in People Magazine that you were going to be on it. The only other actor on the show who interests me is Patrick Stewart, mainly because of his range and ability to do comedy.
Though I'm sure you know this already, ignore those "grumble-butts" who are trying to put you down for not being over the Star Trek thing. You are making progress, it's clear. It seems that your writing is your therapy, and to quote Postcards From the Edge: "(life's) not like in the movies where you have a realization and suddenly youe life changes. In life you have a realization and your life changes like a month later." So, maybe you just gotta wait a month, Wheaton :)
You're getting there, keep up the good work and love your family.

Posted by: sarahc at August 29, 2002 07:09 PM

We want the book! We want the book!
Write the bloody book already, damn you, Wil!

Posted by: Caroline at August 29, 2002 07:23 PM

Well, now I'm not entirely certain I'll be paying to watch Nemesis since you have been so shittily iced from the Trek family. It was so cool that you were finally being acknowledged as part of a Star Trek movie (imagine that, after appearing in 5 out of 7 TNG seasons), to now be treated like crap by heartless imitations of human beings who just happen to be in power (today). Although not necessarily affiliated with the movie, the con bosses are just eclones of the Paramount asses. When you do strike it big --very shortly, as a matter of fact -- then the balance will be restored.
Until then, try not to fret deep down, in that emotional cave where one ponders if one even has worth. You are great, and you are great at the things you do. So unfortunate that our world is now such a demon-utopia where talent is not even required to succeed. Wil, you are a real person, someone very in touch with the true, dark world around us. Star Trek is wonderful, but as I've gotten older and had to fend off more and more evil from "people" I realize that Gene's beautiful ideal of a near-perfect society has never been more out of reach than it is now. Too many people know too many things (they think) so now life is money, and money is life. Human love as governing force of society is gone. Trek now, to quote one of its own most dastardly villains, "is irrelevant." Your being severed from it (as brutal as that was) may indeed be what allows you to finally receive your artist's true worth.
And I, for one, plan to continue to support your work, indifferent to the achievements and attachments of the past.

Posted by: Brad at August 29, 2002 07:40 PM

I actually was planning to go to this one, but forget it, now. Inundate the Creation weenies with passionate (not with foul superlatives, unless they're really witty) emails. This address seems the most appropriate:

ticket[email protected]

Wil: Book. Write for TV (Daily Show??). Get ahold of Greg Proops and other national improv folk and see if you can't hook into the main comedy circuit...

I dunno, man. You seem too real for Tinseltown. Like "new car" smell, it's seductive but poisonous. Get out of there if you're serious about quitting the biz. To me, you've got the heart of a genuine mensch and as such belong in the SF Bay Area. Not as many cute porn stars and chicklets on rollerskates, though.

Posted by: cosmiquemuffin at August 29, 2002 08:01 PM

I said in my last post that I would think of something intelligent to say so here it is. My tribute to a person whom I have grown to respect greatly and I believe handled himself with more dignity than those he was dealing with.

Its worlds ending that make us stronger. Its colliding realities that challenge us to grow. Its making sense of it all that determines our path. Its taking the path that determines who we are.

Forward is our only direction. It is the direction that we are only vaguely aware as children. It is the direction that we hasten towards as adolescents. It is the direction that we abuse as younger adults.

There is a time as we pass the first golden barrier when we stop. We realize the full impact of our direction. We look back with longing for what we had, but are forever doomed not to touch it. It is only then we see Time for the bastard friend that Time is. Time steals from us our youth but waits to let us know until it is too late. Then Time, like the villainous schoolmaster, teachs us the harsh lessons of change and adapting. We swear to the master that we will not change no matter what is thrown at us. Defiantly we stand with clenched fist and gnashing teeth standing our ground while we move on.

But, before we know it, we have succumbed to the lessons. Looking back while going forward, we realize that we have changed. We no longer need nor desire the way that we were but who we are now. We look forward to the ending worlds and the new realities that await us. We are reborn with a new appreciation for our direction.

Guess you are part of a new and bigger family now Wil, just look at all these posts. Your brave new world.

Posted by: Patrick at August 29, 2002 08:16 PM

I read your website all the time, but I don't normally post that often. But when I finished this last one I just thought how good it was. I just wanted to say that I think you are a really good and talented writer. Keep it coming! :)

Posted by: Lauren at August 29, 2002 09:45 PM

keep pressing forward....and like all the other times before...something good will come out of this too...

:( i feel for you, but hang in there...:)

Posted by: Plum at August 29, 2002 09:47 PM

It's true, you know. I never once named my household "Wil." Actually, come to think of it, I don't think I ever named my household at all. If I did, though, it probably wouldn't have been "Wil." I'm sorry.

Posted by: Laurie at August 29, 2002 10:07 PM

I am from Indianapolis and there used to be a fan run convention in town called starbase Indy. They had some good guests, and even had Nimoy one year, and this was a fan run convention. Then creation came to town, Creation decided to run their star trek convention at the same time as the fan run convention causing mass confusion and eventually high costs and the evilness of creation run the fan convention to stop. Those were the good years though. At least there is still a fan runned Sci-Fi convention in town.

Posted by: Jason at August 29, 2002 10:08 PM

Nah, the post wasn't too long. I got pointed to it from a post on a Xena list, where we're used to getting the ol' Creation shaft, ahem. I'm a TNG fan, and I've been to one convention because it happened to pass through town (OKC), but I have to admit it was a pitiful experience. Only a couple hundred people showed up, and the rented space was some cramped ballroom that you couldn't leave without having to pay a door fee. The people running the thing seemed pretty pissed off for some reason, and I remember that I wanted to just get through the line and get away from them ASAP. The fans were gracious, and you had every ilk represented - super geeks in costume and the casual watcher alike - but the whole air of it was just... negative. During the whole time I was a Xena fan, I only bought a couple of magazines, but I desperately wanted to go to a convention... til I found out Creation was at the head. Not just the bad experience at the Trekkie con, but also all the myriad of complaints I'd read about them across several mailing lists. So I never went, not once, and damn but I wish I did. ... I know it's a business and somebody's got to give in order to get, but I think that the fans and the stars might have an easier and more enjoyable time of it if the middleman wasn't (as you put it) an '800 pound gorilla'. Cheers, good luck Wil.

Posted by: Steph at August 29, 2002 10:10 PM

I have to say that, though i did watch a number of the TNG episodes, i am not a fan of the show and i have little interest in attending a ST Convention. In all honesty, i often found Wesley Crusher really annoying.

However, i have to say that i have the utmost respect for Wil and i do not hesitate in the slightest to say that i am a fan.

Wil, thanks for the great read. I devoured your post in a matter of minutes. interesting that the internet perpetuates such voyuerism, no? good luck with your *life* and do keep your priorities in mind. I'll definitely be back here, and i look forward to picking up a copy of your book.

Posted by: beleth at August 29, 2002 11:33 PM

Wil..

you can join my family any time...

Posted by: wade art at August 30, 2002 12:58 AM

In the midst of writing a term paper on the evil fascist nature of the public education system, I had an irresistable urge to take a little jaunt over to the newly discovered part of the web that is your site.

Gawrsh, I'm glad I did.

In the explanation of your plight with the leader of convention evil-doers you managed to crack me up while simultaneously instilling within me the desire to type up the poems I composed to you back when I was twelve. but I won't get into that second part now. not in a public forum.

What I will give into is the urge to tell you that I think you did the right thing and that while it is sad that all those convention goers won't have the opportunity to revel in your presence, at least you didn't give in to the man....man.

Not part of the Star Trek family? What are they smoking? Shoot, I stopped watching it when you left the show for good. You were the reason I devoted some serious years to my secret trekkie identity. but this is a whole therapy session starting and the evil fascist nature of the public education system, of which I am about to become an instrument of, calls.

someday soon I will be an English teacher and you'll have a book out and I will leave it lying about the classroom for the young and impressionable minds under my tutilege. this will show "them"

anyways, you are the keenest. and a great writer. ...say, how do you feel about term papers? *just kidding*

Posted by: missy at August 30, 2002 02:24 AM

Now I know why they are called CONS!

How many million?

I say let's have a Wil Con?

Dancing girls, Comedy skits, Barney Karioki?

The Skydome in Toronto would be ideal.

Thanks Wil.

Maybe Brent and Gates were preoccupied with each other when you showed up. You know, kind of caught in the act or something. Either that or both are blind. Brent "cataract" Spiner and Gates "where are my contacts?" McFadden. Both are over fifty (million or age, take your pick) so what do you really expect.

Wil Con, Wil Con, Wil Con, Wil con!!

Ah, maybe not.

Posted by: Nyarl at August 30, 2002 05:42 AM

Now where's that pic of the hot girl posted???

Posted by: Curious at August 30, 2002 05:51 AM

NOT A PART OF THE FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Gesikah at August 30, 2002 06:34 AM

That was a good decision.

Posted by: mvt at August 30, 2002 06:55 AM

Brad, good idea, but let's also NOT forget Adam from Creation in all of this.

My understanding is, that Adam's email address is:

[email protected]

and also, Gary Berman (who is NOT related to the Berman at Paramount, but gee with a name like that, it figures!) here:

[email protected]

We need to let these TURDS know how we REALLY feel (minus foul language though gang), and ask him just where does Adam get off thinking that HE of all people can tell Wil Wheaton, a REGULAR cast member of ST:TNG that 'Wil, you're not part of the Star Trek/ST:TNG Family'!

I wish that some of the webmasters here, might perhaps create a e-mail form letter progam, that allows us fans to send e-mails to not only Adam, and Gary at Creation, but ALSO to Paramount (where Creation gets their licensing rights from I might add) as well!

On a side note, interesting thread just popped up this morning, at the Trekbbs.com threads here:

http://www.trekbbs.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/016787.html

it has a LOT of truth to it if you ask me!

Posted by: Laugh@Warp Speed! at August 30, 2002 07:30 AM

Wil, how come some of those links aren't working? I tried to click on "the hooters incident" and the con review, but I get a "404 Not Found" error message instead. Bummer...

Anyhow, I can't blame you for a second... This isn't even close to being like the baseball situation, so don't worry about that. You're being totally disrepsected, just like the rest of us. CRETIN Conventions has been screwing fans for years. They used to do several Wisconsin shows a year, but about five or six years they stopped coming here altogether. I never did the costume thing, but I had fun. The wonderful woman who's now my wife (Hi Laura!)had her first real date with me at a CRETIN con (yeah, we're big geeks). I was disappointed when they quit coming, but the occasional visit to their website told me I wasnt missing anything. Overpriced "VIP" seats, having to pay the higher price for the privelege of getting an autograph I used to get for free, forget it. Screw Adam Malin!

Dave Scott and Slanted Fedora aren't innocents either. I'll admit they put on a big show with a lot of fun things to do, but they're every bit as overpriced as CRETIN. Instead of booking ten different actors and making fans buy special "autograph tickets" or whatever, I'd rather go see one or two fun guests for a lower price. The price of admission ought to include being able to stand in line for an autograph. I recently read that SF has also been jerking fnas around. Fans have been getting double charged when placing an order and then unable to get a refund. There was also some fiasco with pre-signed picutres of Patrick Stewart that fans were promised but didn't get.

I'd really love to see you at con someday, Wil. I hope you'll still considering smaller, fan-run, cons now and then. Skip the big dogs though. I think you'll feel better about yourself, and most fans won't mind. Any fanboy geek who willingly pays CRETIN's or SF's prices probably still views you as the devil incarnate anyhow.

Off-topic, did anyone catch Elvis Costello on "Today" this morning? He was great, as always, but I especially loved when he ripped through "Peace, Love & Understanding" and capped it off with a sneering "This one's for you, Junior!" It won't stop the pResident from dropping bombs on Iraq or anything, but it was good to hear in "these troubled times."

Posted by: Shaun at August 30, 2002 07:47 AM

Shaun,

You should see how Slanted Fedora screwed not only the fans over, but Patrick Stewart on that deal.

Here's Patrick's side of the story here:

http://www.thepsn.org/psn/psletter1.asp

would you belive it, even after he sent the autographed pictures to the event, Slanted fedora's Check BOUNCED???!!!

Posted by: laughter@warp speed at August 30, 2002 07:57 AM

Hey "Laughter," thanks for the posting! Sounds like PS screwed up, but that doesn't excuse the way SF treated him. They're all rotten to the core...

Thankfully, Trek just isn't that big a deal to me anymore. The "franchise" reached its peak with DS9 (Wil, you oughta go back and give that show a chance) and it's been all downhill form there. VOY and ENT suck rocks, and the TNG films have mostly been a drag too. I might go see Nemesis, but I'll be seeing The Two Towers and Harry Potter first.

Posted by: Shaun at August 30, 2002 08:32 AM

Hey Wil!

Cremation IS a bunch of lousy soul-sucking bastards and everybody knows it. You gotta blow those guys off and only go to REAL Cons.

DragonCon in Atlanta starts this weekend, for instance. 20,000 people, enough wackiness to feed a people-watching frenzy. None of this fakey stuff Cremation does, distancing the stars, making people act stupid, making the stars feel like shit. Hey, there is even a Porn Star Walk of Fame! You could get another chance!

They have lots of skits and parodies at DragonCon too. Bands. An art show.

BTW, your post was not too long. Length is relative. You don't want to write only for semi-literate junior high kids and leave the rest of us out, do you?

Miasma

Posted by: Miasma (in the House of Bite Me) at August 30, 2002 08:55 AM

Hi Wil,
This is my first post, but I have been reading for quite awhile. My husband turned me on to your website, we are both Star Trek geeks. I have to say, I think you did the right thing in turning down the offer. I have attended both Creation and Slanted Fedora cons, and lately they feel so predatory. I realize they do these cons to earn money, but the Creation cons of the 80's and 90's just had a feeling of a family reunion or something. It made you feel, as an attendee, like a small part of the Star Trek universe. The last few I've attended have been so expensive, and it seems that they were designed to bilk every last dollar from the fans, as well as the guests. I have gotten the distinct feeling that the guests are not treated as they should be. (Except, of course, for WFS.)Your story confirms my suspicons.

Let me just say that with the release of ST: TNG on DVD, we have been enjoying those early shows that featured Wesley. I hated when Wesley left the show.

Hang in there, Wil, we are your fans. You are a brave, intelligent and obviously caring man. I am glad you defended yourself and turned down the offer.

Posted by: Mary at August 30, 2002 09:22 AM

Hey Wil,

Good on you! In turning down their offer you are keeping control of your life, not surrendering it to the guys at Creation - and maintaining your own self-worth too. Good choice man!!

CM

Posted by: CharlieMouse at August 30, 2002 09:29 AM

Time to Stroke Uncle Willies Ego (like, he really needs it, right?)!

Creation says in effect that they think Wil doesn't have anough Fan Appeal to draw in the fans on his own.

Horse Sh*t!

Check out this auction here on eBay that I just found today:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2134644841

for Uncle Willie's Autograph, up for sale, by Slanted Fedora (Who as part of the description, has some REALLY nice things to say about Wil too, no kidding!)!

Price for this little Autograph is up to almost 300 smackers!

Can the OTHER ST:TNG "Stars" say the same thaing for THEIR autographs being sold on eBay, hmmm?

Wil not having the power to draw in the fans on his own ... not a part of the Trek Family ... wow, let's make Creation EAT those words!

Want Uncle Willies autograph (from a reliable sourse (Slanted Fedora) besides Uncle Willie himself)??

Well, here is your chance to Bid away gang! Enjoy!

;-D

Posted by: lauging@warp speed! at August 30, 2002 09:48 AM

Kind of Blue! My favourite bubble bath soundtrack!

Posted by: Patty at August 30, 2002 09:50 AM

Wow. Three hundred smackers is a bit too much for my budget right now. However, maybe someday I'll get the autograph straight from Uncle Willie...

Anyway, I'm proud of you, Wil. You do what you need to do, you pour your heart and soul into it, and give your all to your family (foremost), your friends, and your fans. You make me proud to be a Monkey Boxer.

We love you, Wil!

Posted by: Anne at August 30, 2002 10:57 AM

I'm not a creation fan at all -- they're depressing, really, as it's a place to actor-worship, not to hang out with your fellow geeks.

Posted by: Michael Lee at August 30, 2002 11:11 AM

I just don't understand how an autograph for Gates McFadden costs $30.00(!!!) while autographs from Sirtis and Dorn only cost $20.00 especially when you consider that McFadden had left the series for a while to do Hunt for Red October. I mean Darth Maul's autograph cost $20.00! I really hope that Creation and Wizard don't merge. God help us all on that day.

Posted by: Bruce at August 30, 2002 12:14 PM

Creation Cons suck. I had the displeasure of attending my first Trek Creation Con this summer. (With micael Lee -above- no less) The people taking the money should have been wearing ski-masks and taken my wallet right there. Sad thing? The highlights of the convention for me was bits from other creation franchises. (Farscape for one)

If this is the kind of conventions people are attending, no wonder they're bitter about conventions.

Here in Mpls MN we have a rather large fan convention called CONvergence (www.convergence-con.org). The attendence is modest (1800) but impressive for a local run fan convention.

I'm spoiled by this convention. For 50 some odd bucks you get 3 days of really good programming, munchies, and nifty extras (A movie room, party rooms, skit comedy show, costume show, Mark Time Awards).

I pay that at a Creation Con and get crap. Just crap.

Posted by: jmanna at August 30, 2002 12:15 PM


I'm with Spudnuts and others...have your own convention, and yes as Spudz said, invite all those guys that weren't mainstream... I remember how popular Chief O'Brien was before he moved to DS9, people would collect anything with his photo on it, because he wasn't mainstream...fans often identify with those characters the best!
Surround yourself with all the ensigns who suddenly showed up on away missions/bridge assignments, only to get themselves killed first time around....remember that African/American man at the helm of the Enterprise when that cat looking guy was killing off members of the crew...I'd pay to see that guy...
....or the guy who played the rebel in Empire Strikes Back on Hoth, where just before the Imperials blow up the base's power reactors, they take time out to blow him away as he's running across the snow....that guy pretty much sums up daily life of the average man...I'd pay to see that guy.

Okay, now what address should I use to write to Paramount and tell them I'm not going to see the movie since they cut Wil?

Posted by: tanyak at August 30, 2002 12:22 PM

Wil Wheaton: you are a bad, bad influence on me!
Having been on holiday for a few days I obviously decided that it would be a good idea to catch up on your site, after all it is my life!
I thought what the heck there's nothing better to do in England, I might as well. Hell, it would only take a few minutes, 10 at the most. Wrong! 30 minutes later I was calmly and happily still sitting at my desk, becoming more and more late in delivering my university presentation on why The Godfather was such a crap, boring film that onlt appears to attract male interest.
I loved the entry and all but maybe, for us 'poor suffering uni students', you could make it a tad bit shorter next time.
Just a suggestion.
Love ya, Anna

Posted by: Anna at August 30, 2002 12:28 PM

Uncle WILLIE!

PLEASE PLEASE write a book, maybe an e-book available from WWDN? Screw the conventions your a part of THG family as far as this fan is concerned, If I had a phone number I'd call them and let them know they suck!!!

Write the BOOK!

Posted by: Cary at August 30, 2002 01:01 PM

(wicked smile)

Here is Creation's address and phone number:

Creation Entertainment
1010 N. Central Ave. 4th Floor
Glendale, CA 91202

Phone: (818) 409-0960
Fax: (818) 409-0827

Posted by: laughing@warp speed! at August 30, 2002 01:16 PM

Just to let you know Wil, even though you were on TNG for 4 years, you are still part of Trek. It does not matter how long you were on the show, what is important is the impact you had in the "Star Trek" community. It's a shame Creation failed to see that.
Best of luck!

Posted by: Songme at August 30, 2002 01:31 PM

I feel very lucky that I get to read your site for free. Because sometime soon, a smart publisher is going to pay you to make this all into a book, and force you to take the free stuff down.

I always admired your acting (even when the scripts were poor). But I like your writing more.

Posted by: TLB at August 30, 2002 02:25 PM

Way to go Wil!

Ya know, ever since someone pointed your site out to me only a couple of months ago, I've really enjoyed popping in to visit every so often.

I'm a con-goer myself, have been for 10 years! I would love to see you at "a con near me". I think I was one of the only few people I knew that liked Wesley, even through the not so great writing periods :)

It's nice to hear comments from the actors point of view. There are no longer Creation cons in Canada, I think due to the fact that the CDN fans just don't want to do a con that's a "cash cow". WE like our cons to be fun and made by us for us!

Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Prospero's Daughter at August 30, 2002 02:51 PM

Uncle Will please riddle me this...

Please read this email I sent to creation:
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Hi Creation,

I have organized a contingent of my fellow Star Trek fans to go the 15th Anniversary of TNG in September in Pasedena. We are Wil Wheaton dot net fans and we just heard that he is NOT going to be at the 15th Anniversary convention in Pasedena. Our primary purpose in attending the convention is to see Wil Wheaton - he has a fabulous web site and BLOG that we connect with every day.

Please consider that by not bringing in you have missed out on our business. We had a group of 19 people coming in from Arizona, that has been cancelled now.

Bummer.
Joan
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Now read the response I just got back from them:

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Hi- I think you may want to reconsider your decision as Wil is attending the
event and we're very much looking forward to him being there.

Adam Malin
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Confused. Uncle Will?

Posted by: Joan at August 30, 2002 03:14 PM

Will,

(and this is directed towards Will - I honestly hope you read this),

I take the following quote from your weblog:

"Again, months passed. I did a few shitty, embarrassing, forgettable movies"

Will - as far as I, and most of your fans are concerned, you do not do forgettable. Shitty, yes. Everybody does shitty. Churchill did shitty, on some days at least.

But you are never forgettable.

In this world on manufactured icons, you have preservered as a true star. You may not have the money of Robbie Williams (or even of Darius) but you are, in all our eyes, a true symbol of what we can all be.

The convention organisers are fooling themselves. The fans want to see you. The "stars" (and I use that term loosely, regardless of what I think of Jonathan Frakes and Patrick Stewart et al) want to see you.

Hell, I expect, after the past year of weblogs, you could do your own show, and enough would pay for it (via the 'net of course) to make it worthwhile.

In all our eyes, you truly are a Will Wheaton!

Will, I salute you.

Posted by: Kouros at August 30, 2002 03:57 PM

Wouldn't have been the same without you Wil. Glad you showed the integrity to value yourself and your co-workers above that of corporate politics. The rest of us will survive missing you this time.

Posted by: gr at August 30, 2002 04:03 PM

Fark those Creation bastards! Fark them in the arse! You are an important memeber of the Star Trek family.

Posted by: el guapo at August 30, 2002 05:00 PM

One of the most meaningful zen lessons for me was the story of the monk who upon finally meeting a teacher whose lessons meant much to him told the teacher that he had written down all he had said. The teacher responded by striking the monk on the head.

Over the past few years, I too, have been 'struck on the head' by those things/people/institutions I'd unconsiously enshrined. Not very zen of me.

Perspective blows goats. Be well.

Posted by: Charles at August 30, 2002 05:28 PM

I just have to wonder if the rest of the cast were to take a stand for you if that might make a difference. Maybe not. Anyway, the only constant is change. As long as you face it head on, you win.

Posted by: kloopp at August 30, 2002 07:25 PM

It stinks that they tried to pull that on you Wil. You are worth more that that kind of treatment. I noticed though they have you listed as signing autographs.

Posted by: Jim at August 30, 2002 07:34 PM

Creation is running behind. You are still ALL over the website for the convention. They even mention your comedy troupe!

I tell you what though...for $400 they should have the entire cast and crew for TNG.
"This is Max. He was the head gaffer on episodes 1-15 if you have any questions for him fire away!"

Mike

Posted by: Mike at August 30, 2002 07:47 PM

Joan, I emailed CRETIN and Adam Malin sent me a similar response. What's up with that? Maybe he's feeling the wrath of THA POSSE and is desperately trying to get Wil back.

Wil, if you're reading this I wouldn't go back to them unless they're willing to give a shitload of money to a good charity. Even for charity I'd have to think long and hard about it.

I've concluded that Malin is third most evil man in Trekdom, just behind Brannon Braga and Rick Berman (but ahead of Gul Dukat and Khan). He can certianly lie as good as those two clowns (B&B, that is).

Posted by: Shaun at August 30, 2002 07:57 PM

Way to go Wil.

Posted by: mike at August 30, 2002 08:01 PM

So, I emailed [email protected] and [email protected] and got a reply in just a few hours. Here are the replies.
'Thanks for writing.
As for the above, you'll find soon that Wil is indeed attending the
convention. I'm sure he will address this issue on his website.Best regards,
Gary Berman'

and
'he's coming to the show, please check his web site and ours for the whole
story!!!
Adam Malin'
So did they change their minds? Or did we?
B


Posted by: B at August 30, 2002 08:53 PM

There will be a huge post about this later on... (can't write it now. I've been working on ARENA all day and I'm exhausted)

But I spoke with Adam Malin today, and it was a good, long (took up my whole lunch hour) conversation.

I guess the Voice of the Fans was too loud to be ignored.

More tomorrow.

Posted by: wil at August 30, 2002 08:54 PM

Woo, Hoo I am the 262nd post!

hmm, well the first guy seemed pretty thrilled so i thought I would be thrilled too, hey Wil I still think you should Captian a starship in some future Trek show that comes out of Burmans mind someday, sorry I won't see you in the movie, your devoted fan :-)

Posted by: Robotrek at August 30, 2002 09:37 PM

Wil, I sypathise for the crappy way that Creation treated you. I hope the rumors of you being reinvited are true. I was shocked at their behavior... they held a con in Hawaii and I loved it.

I also disagree with Dave Scott and his "good reputation amongst the fans and ST actors." Patrick Stewart was advertised as one of the headliners for a SF con when he didn't sign a contract or anything. Stewart was ticked off and couldn't make it, but was generous enough to austograph a bunch of pics and send them with his blessing. Dave, that cheapskate, never paid the God of Star Trek for it.

"I agreed to attend a convention in Pasadena, where I did the interviews that are in Trekkies. I dont remember much beyond feeling like a complete loser for even being there, and embarrassed that my girlfriend, who eventually became my wife, was seeing me like this."

Now here, I'm sorry you were *ashamed* of showing up in public to admit you were a geek. If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't just do it for the $$ (tho' that'd be nice) or an ego trip. It's to make the fans happy. If a 12 year old boy dying of cancer came up to me to day that I changed his perspective on life for the better, that would make the entire weekend worthwhile. Heck, I'd crash every con I could if I didn't have anything better to do!

*heading to Creation to complain*

Posted by: K.C. at August 30, 2002 09:44 PM

there seems to be conflicting stories on creation convention's site says you'll be coming to do signings,do a mother and son with gates mcfadden and still negotiating with your group. I don't belive it one bit.

It's a shame that star trek conventions have gone so commercialised. The best conventions i've been to was a wholey fan run convention, no big guests but lots of activities.

Posted by: julie at August 30, 2002 09:46 PM

Dear Mr. Wheaton,

thanks for sharing your thoughts with everyone on your website. After having read your reasons for not attending the convention, I completely symphatize.

On a humorous note, it would be great to see you do a character voiceover on "tripping the rift" if that show ever kicks off.

Best,
Maciej Simm

Posted by: maciej simm at August 30, 2002 11:08 PM

Hi Wil,

I just thought I'd post a note and say that the guys at Creation have proven themselves to be the idiots I always half-thought of them as.

I've gone to the Grand Slam down in Pasadena several years now, and even to the Grand Slam on Tour which was held here in Seattle this past year.

I got the chance to meet you at the con in Pasadena I think about 2 years ago now? (I think that's right.. It was the final year for Voyager and I went with some friends to sit and cry about it while Kate Mulgrew was on-stage..lol)

Anyway.... I have to say.. Creation's management just proved what bozo's they are for certain. Because I have to say, in the last seven years or so, I think you were one of the nicer, more approachable stars who I asked for an autograph. You even humored me and posed for a photo with me which I have framed with the autograph! :)

That memory is a great one to have from my point of view. Your easy smile and friendly demeanor meant a lot, and the photo taken with you is one of my prized images.

So what if you're not what some over-paid money-grubbing idiot considers a 'high-draw actor'?

I sure don't!

And, speaking as a fan who's spent more $$ than I care to admit to at Creation cons over the years.. They're fools to talk to you that way.

The best memories I have are from speaking with the actors who were off in one of the side rooms as you were, the ones who smile when the fans come say hello. The actors / actresses who didn't treat their fans like being there is a great favor to us, the fan. The ones who like you, who seemed honestly as happy to meet me as I was to meet you.

Stick to your guns Wil! Cause you have fans out here who love you ...

Cyndi from Seattle

Posted by: Cyndi at August 31, 2002 01:17 AM

Wil, I'd personally love to see you on some hip, contemporary show, instead of rehashing the tired old ST:TNG thing over & over. I mean, I love it and all, but come on, honey.
I can see you doing like, Jackass or something. Can you fall around the inside of a fully-loaded porta-potty while it is beign airlifted and rolled? How about celeb-survival or celeb-fear-factor? Can you starve yourself on rice or eat live bugs on camera?
See, there are worse ways to make a livin' :-) Love ya!

Posted by: Queen_Bitch_of_Universe at August 31, 2002 01:21 AM

will
man that is really sad that anyone could be so
cold to you . after all , you played a larger role than they made you out to have. they are all a bunch of idiots for not even being willing to
try to compromise.short-sighted idiots.
anyways it's good that you're not bitter about it.
you also seem to have a strong family bond which is rare in hollywood these days. these are the more important things in life anyway.
that will help you more to stay centered.
family , that is.
phlash4

Posted by: phlash4 at August 31, 2002 01:49 AM

I can't really add much other than We love you, Wil. Just do what you need to do. Do what will make you satisfied when you look back on your deathbed. No worries.

Posted by: yoyofool at August 31, 2002 06:49 AM

Well, fans are going to be sorely dissaointed after they buy their tickets to see you at the con...since they haven't taken you off the list yet on the webpage. It would have been really cool to see you and Gates in a "mother-son reunion" skit together. Oh well. Good decision Wil, Creation really is the 600 lb. gorilla now and it never should have been that way.

Posted by: jamie at August 31, 2002 08:37 AM

Wil, you are someone who really knows where your towel is.

About you not being in the Star Trek family?

"Wesley Crusher is one of our own."

-Picard

Posted by: Caroline at August 31, 2002 08:55 AM

I'm sitting here watching you in the episode where the game is brought back from Risa and everyone on the ship gets addicted to it. Saw you on screen and decided to hit the website again to have another look.

I admire you for stepping outside your comfort zone and for standing up for your principles. Feeding the family and making enough to enjoy life is important but if you end up feeling like shit after doing the work that allows you to do so then it's not worth it.

Congrats on the infomercial job as well, I mean that in all seriousness. If I had the opportunity to provide financial security for my family for a whole year with one job I'd jump at it.

Posted by: Doug at August 31, 2002 11:42 AM

Oh, wow, Wil! Just read your post in the comments section (Posted by wil at August 30, 2002 08:54 PM). Has the Voice of the Fans truly made a difference? Does your whole troop get to make a decent appearance fee? Or maybe Creation is just letting you show up. In any case, I hope this works out for you. I don't think I can take much more of these ups and downs and I'm just reading about them. You have to live them!

I look forward to hearing what happened in the continuing saga of Wil. Again, I thank you for letting us into your life.

Power to the People!

Posted by: loretta652 at August 31, 2002 12:15 PM

Wil - you are an inspiration, as always, for moving forward and experiencing change. You belong at the convention, the producers are losers, your fans and fellow former cast are missing out huge. You are by all means doing the right thing!
V.

Posted by: viva at August 31, 2002 07:38 PM

Sometimes people think that they have to be either 1 or 0. The beauty (and paradox) of human existence is that they can be both at the same time.

Posted by: Jonas Kyratzes at September 2, 2002 05:26 AM

Well...

I'll admit that Wesley was never my favourite on TNG... but he was always part of the important cast in my eyes.

Having read your website now... I have to say that there isn't an ST actor that I would rather see at a con than you, just because you sound like an interesting and entertaining person.

--Olav

Posted by: Olav Rockne at September 3, 2002 09:59 PM

Interesting.

Posted by: term life insurance at October 7, 2003 12:13 AM

2296 Great posts.

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