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December 05, 2002

Regret

Thought For Today:

" Regret is the worst of human emotions. There is no going back with regret. There is no future with regret. Regret is not something I live with. If there is something I wished I hadn't done, I don't do it anymore or I forgive myself and try better.

My life is my statement and I try to be true to myself and thusly to other people. Whatever my failings are, they are human and I try to perfect it each day. "

-William Fucking Shatner, at Slashdot

Posted by wil at December 5, 2002 08:59 AM
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Cool! Thanks for the thought....

Posted by: Dana at December 5, 2002 09:00 AM

Did you mean "William Fucking Shatner" as a term of endearment.. or are you pissed about the reply he gave you in his interview?

About the interview -- why did you choose Slashdot as a medium for your conversation with Shatner? Couldn't you have called him up or dropped him an email?

Posted by: johnnybluejeans at December 5, 2002 09:04 AM

Hey - i've visited your site a couple times, and i've enjoyed reading it! but I'm wondering why the William F-ing Shatner ... is there a story here as to why he deserves this?

Posted by: bell at December 5, 2002 09:06 AM

I think the "William Fucking Shatner" is kind of a joke at this point. Before the Weakest Link show, it was serious, but now that they've kissed and made up (awww... shmoopy...), all is well.

Posted by: Jennifer at December 5, 2002 09:08 AM

Hmmm...poignant thought of the day, eh? If only he wrote like that he wouldn't need Judith Reeves-Stevens to ghost write his books.

Posted by: rebecca at December 5, 2002 09:10 AM

I thought his slashdot answers were too brief and all-around lame. What's with the "personal time" at the end of his response to you? Did you really watch the world series together?

Posted by: Brent at December 5, 2002 09:14 AM

Ah, the wonders of slashdot. I'm a little disappointed with the interview (Shatner's responses are too short to too many questions), but seeing as how you're so cool with the dude, Wil, maybe a little interview for WWDN? Eh?

Posted by: AntiFreeze at December 5, 2002 09:16 AM

Hey Will,

you and Bil are so cool!!!


I think that was funny as hell!!

Posted by: Cherish at December 5, 2002 09:20 AM

I smiled when I saw that "CleverNickname" got a question in, but was puzzled as to why you thought Shatner didn't like you (and why that matters). I missed the Weakest Link episode, and now I wished I had seen it, so as to have a clue.

Posted by: Chas at December 5, 2002 09:20 AM

*applause*

Posted by: Sally at December 5, 2002 09:22 AM

Ok, good to know i'm not the only one who doesn't get the WFS thing. I read the Slashdot thing, so glad to know you and Bill are cool, seriously :) saw all the hello my name is ... sticker shirts at the store, so whats the deal??

Posted by: bell at December 5, 2002 09:27 AM

I like Shatner's regret quote, though I suspect that most of us regret the things we didn't do more than the things we did (hence the old chestnut about how it's better to look back and wish you hadn't done something than etc.)

Also, "I look forward to some personal time with you" -- hark, I hear the sound of a hundred slash-fiction writers (metaphorically) sharpening their pencils in anticipation...!

Posted by: Phil at December 5, 2002 09:31 AM

I was so happily surprised to see your question in the slashdot interview. I was really losing interest reading the short answers until I came across your question :-).

Posted by: dagg at December 5, 2002 09:32 AM

How in the world did that happen? Sorry about the repeat.

Posted by: Phil at December 5, 2002 09:32 AM

Okay i'm going to say that the /. interview was pretty good. They just had some of the wrong questions.

When i saw that CleverNickName got a question in i started laughing before i even read the question. That's just funny. But again. So is this personal time your planning with Mr. Shatner going to be a private interview for wwdn? Maybe you can get better questions to ask from your readers than /. did.

Peace all.

Posted by: Denise at December 5, 2002 09:33 AM

You know ... he doesn't strike me as someone who TRIES to be a dick. He's just honestly a bit clueless. It's still frustrating for those around him, but he's just ... dense when it comes to human interaction. But not a *bad* guy. I've known people like that ... still can't stand to be around them, but they aren't actively malicious. Just clueless.

Posted by: Janis at December 5, 2002 09:33 AM

You gotta love The Shat.

Oh and Wil, when you spend this so-called "personal time" with him, you should DEFINITELY wear the shirt. Just a suggestion.

Posted by: marrasaff at December 5, 2002 09:42 AM

THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT!!!!!

Posted by: bluecat/redblanket at December 5, 2002 09:43 AM

Beautiful! Almost as pretty as the snow day in Virginia!

Posted by: Clara at December 5, 2002 09:47 AM

Wil,

As long as we're asking these questions: Are we cool? Really, are we?

Posted by: Drakensykh at December 5, 2002 09:49 AM

I dunno.

I think it's counter productive to continue to regret, to allow it to follow you for ages.

But regret is the driving force (or should be) behind any true apology.

If you wish that an action of yours had not caused someone pain, or that you had not done an action that caused someone pain. --That's regret.

And it's okay to move past it, put it behind you, learn and grow and move on.

But if there is no regret to motivate--would you do it again and repeat actions that caused pain?

(sorry about the rant, that's a sore spot for me--as I have an ex-friend who refused to feel bad about any of her actions. She didn't believe in 'regret')

irv

Posted by: irv at December 5, 2002 09:49 AM

Wow. William "fucking" Shatner said that.

I gained a new respect for the man.

Thanks for sharing Wil. Very Poignant.

Posted by: RevXaos at December 5, 2002 09:52 AM

Who knew that Shatner could be so profound...?
Wil, I read you latest comment about FofR & boy or boy are you RIGHT about that! The extended version is phenomenal! And all the special futures (though some argue, take away from the realism of the final product on film) provide an amazing insight into the loving care and blood, sweat and tears that went into making of this movie. It is definately more than a film - it's an experience and the craft of the cast and the director (and all the crew) is just wonderfu. I can't sing enough praises about this movie & I can't wait to see Two Towers. BTW, last Sunday we went to the TT exhibit here in Toronto & we got to see the costumes and the weapons - what a treat!

Posted by: SpaceCadet at December 5, 2002 09:55 AM

I work hard to live without regret. In fact, I can safely and honestly say that I regret NOTHING I've ever said or done in my life. Nothing. And I'm able to do that because I'm self-aware enough to check and double-check the decisions that I make to be sure they are the right ones for me. I just wish the rest of the world lived that way.

Posted by: Amythyst at December 5, 2002 09:58 AM

Phil--as someone who actually enjoys slash, can I just say: Bill and Wil? No. Just no. In fact, ewwwwwwww even. *shudders dramatically*

Posted by: chris at December 5, 2002 09:59 AM

Wil,

Now's your chance to invite WFS over for a nice family holiday dinner!

Posted by: Nanook at December 5, 2002 10:08 AM

He's right. And he speaks like a true nice, polite Canadian. I try to live my life with the same attitude. Live and learn, kids.

Vive la capitaine (or is that "il capitaine").

Posted by: delphine at December 5, 2002 10:14 AM

Had just finished reading slashdot and was popping to your site to see if you had a comment on them using your question.

The regret statement was the best part of the interview and a good one to bring over to the site.

If you do spend personal time with WFS, tell him that he was a defining person in my life (I was a kid, how did I know it was bad acting?) and is likely the reason I became interested in sci-fi to begin with, and stuck around long enough to be a fan o' yours.

Now my kids watch TNG repeats like I watched ST repeats and I have to smile.

Posted by: Sean W at December 5, 2002 10:18 AM

Wil, you gotta explain WFS for the WWDN newbies or they get all confused and wonder if you secretly hate the guy =)

Posted by: Matt at December 5, 2002 10:21 AM

I have soo much regret...

Posted by: SpiderWebb at December 5, 2002 10:29 AM

Ok, that's a wonderful sentiment. But umm isn't that a scene from one of the Star Trek movies?

Posted by: skeptic at December 5, 2002 10:39 AM

Just posted that same quote on my livejournal. Some pretty decent sentiments from WFS I'd say.

Posted by: Richard Murray at December 5, 2002 11:12 AM

So is anyone going to enlighten us clueless folk on the WFS thing?

Posted by: Sihaya at December 5, 2002 11:19 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, WW, but I think the F in WFS is just an "can you believe it's actually him?!" kind of thing and not meant pejoratively. Maybe it's used a bit ironically, but I don't think it was meant as "that scumbag".

You might say "Dude - that's George Freaking Lucas over there!" but it's doubtful you'd say, "Dude - that's Avery Freaking Shriver!"

Posted by: nightsweat at December 5, 2002 11:25 AM

T.

J.

Hooker.

Posted by: Spudnuts at December 5, 2002 11:39 AM

Wow! What an incredible quote! I was a bit depressed earlier today & that quote made my day. Shatner rocks!

Posted by: RetroRandy at December 5, 2002 12:42 PM

When I saw the Weakest Link episode I wondered if the tiff with the woman who played Torres was real or acting. She seemed really pissed at you which I thought was weird.

Posted by: Ness at December 5, 2002 01:10 PM

*clapity clap claps* Bravo! We want more. Fil-a-buster!

Posted by: Artisticspirit at December 5, 2002 01:10 PM

You want regret?

This is it, friend...

http://www.pozproductions.com/zmed.jpg

Posted by: Spudnuts at December 5, 2002 01:12 PM

Just on a sidenote; Turn off your tv once in a while, and live in the real world instead. Shatner was right, you know? It was just a tv-show.

Posted by: Dakidski at December 5, 2002 01:18 PM

Matt wrote: "Wil, you gotta explain WFS for the WWDN newbies or they get all confused and wonder if you secretly hate the guy =)"

Yeah, we need a definitive history of the whole thing from the horse's (or rather monkey's) mouth, Wil. I *did* used to have it all straight in my mind, but I'm all confuzzled now.

Posted by: ionicus at December 5, 2002 01:37 PM

Okay, Cherish posted this above but it was so funny, I felt I must repost it.

I don't know if anyone even got it, more's the pity.

But here's another chance:

"Hey Will,

you and Bil are so cool!!!"

There.

I do have to say that the comment in the interview about personal time really does have to make you go "Hm."

Posted by: MrsVeteran at December 5, 2002 01:37 PM

What's with mis-spelling your name, man?
jeesh.
i think it's funny that you're still catching flack for the weakest link show. like you were being anything better than HALF the asshole that the host is.
RE: the personal time - marrasaff suggested you wear the shirt. I want to one-up that suggestion, and propose that you have printed and wear the THONG. he need never see it. but YOU'D know, and wouldn't that be worth a lot?

Posted by: Sam at December 5, 2002 02:06 PM

Shatner didn't learn much French while in Montreal, apparently - "Oh Contrare"? Come on...

Posted by: Will at December 5, 2002 02:13 PM

My understanding from reading the comments associated with the interview was that Shatner was not typing his responses himself. He was responding verbally and someone else was typing the replies. If true, you can't indict him for the spelling.

Say what you like about his acting, but his acting was excellent in his two Twilight Zone appearances. I thought it was just right in the original Star Trek, as well. He -was- Captain Kirk, and that was what Kirk was like. (I've known people in real life who should be accused of bad acting...unfortunately, that's how they are.) I think he became a bit too self-conscious of himself as Kirk in the movies...almost a self-parody.

IMO, of course.

Posted by: Tom B at December 5, 2002 02:27 PM

Uh, I'm sure Shatner's French is better than Slashdot's spelling. It was an audio interview.

Posted by: fleeb at December 5, 2002 02:27 PM

This sounds like it could be a "Successories" quote. I bet Wm. F. Shatner has his house fully decorated with those.

Posted by: i_have_three_nads at December 5, 2002 03:15 PM

Wil with two L's *shakes head*

Silly Slashdot...

I remember the days when people knew that WFS was a symbol of hate and toupes but sadly no longer.

This interview may change things.

Long live needless grudges and hammy actors!!!

Oh and Wil. Always Wil.

Posted by: EnglishBen at December 5, 2002 03:41 PM

so cool head monkey - two slashots recently. geek cred looms dude!

Posted by: romana at December 5, 2002 03:45 PM

I second -- wait, third -- wait, fourth? what the hell, who cares which number I am -- the motion to retell the WFS story. My newbie mind is curled up on the floor in the fetal position, whimpering in confusion...

Posted by: Angie at December 5, 2002 04:25 PM

I get what WFS is trying to say in his "regret" quote, and while I agree with the sentiment, you've gotta agree, the man just CAN NOT express himself eloquently in writing! Has he been moonlighting as a Bush speechwriter, by any chance?

We're just spoiled here with the Head Monkey's brilliant prose, I guess.

Posted by: quetzal at December 5, 2002 04:55 PM

"I look forward to some personal time with you."

That sounds vaguely threatening, for some reason.

Posted by: Ryland at December 5, 2002 05:44 PM

Ah.. The WFS thing confused me... Was it Wil being nasty? Then I found this, and understood...

http://www.cafeshops.com/wfs2

You're the same age as me Wil. The scary this is, watching STNG, I always thought you were older than me. Kind of brings it home really. *sigh*

Posted by: Andrew Rollings at December 5, 2002 06:02 PM

CleverNickName? Eh? I admint that it's better than my /. nick, Enahs, but damn. ;-D

Really, I was disappointed that Shatner totally avoided my Ellison question. Damn.

Damn, damn, damn. Did I say "damn" yet? Damn.

Also re-read the story about the Lego Enterprise-D. Put two and two together. Feel bad for former child actor.

Write broken sentences, so sad.

Posted by: Shane Simmons at December 5, 2002 06:16 PM

What's it like in orbit with Shatner?
Are you gonna play Paintball with him?
Have you seen that Spplat movie Wil?

Posted by: d-man at December 5, 2002 07:21 PM

did he really say "thusly"?

and I thought WFS was pretty funny as the "big giant head" on "3rd Rock from the Sun" (it's a comedy, so I mean funny in a good way)

Posted by: jow at December 5, 2002 10:31 PM

WFS, and WFW, not to be confused with the WWE formerly known as WWF. Sunday sunday sunday! (massive reverb and echo in the voice over, like those monster truck rally commericals)
I like Shatner. He did a short interview for a local radio station here in PDX (about that paintball megagathering he was taking part in chicago, i think), he seemed to me to be very funny and self-deprecating.
I too, have seen both the TZ episodes he was in - i actually saw them BEFORE I ever got interested in Star Trek, so for me it was like, "is this the same guy from TZ? his acting is so, er, campy."
I think a lot of the reason for his short answers for the questions was that they just weren't that interesting (other than CleverNickname's questions)..the radio djs asked him questions that got him engaged in a couple lengthy discussions...
The geeks modded up the geek questions and not a lot of the good ones

Posted by: greg at December 5, 2002 11:01 PM

Uhm, was it just me or did that "personal time" comment have a bit of a Sopranos ring to it. "Me and yous Wil, we're gonna spend some personal time..." POW!

I don't know, Wil, I'd watch your back.

Posted by: AmyMo at December 6, 2002 05:52 AM

I thinkk WFS was just in a big hurry when he gave the interview. He was probably in his car, on the cell phone giving the interview. That's why his answers are so short and to the point. I'm sure he's a busy guy.
But he's totally wrong about regret. Regret is one of the best human emotions, because without it we would never learn from our mistakes. We would just walk around hurting people all the time and never trying to fix it. If humans were blessed with more foresight we wouldn't need regret, but unfortunatley the old adage is all too true: "hindsight is 20/20."
You know who has a lot of regret - Harry Potter.
And did you know that Wil and he are good friends?
If you didn't, then check out this link:
http://www.eonline.com/Features/Features/HarryPotter02/index.html

It's pretty farking funny.

GTG

Posted by: Godwin the Good at December 6, 2002 05:55 AM

Oh, I almost forgot. Uncle Willie isn't the only big star to get an interview in the Onion. WFS also had a really good interview with them a few months back. Check it out.

http://www.theonionavclub.com/avclub3831/avfeature_3831.html

It's a really good interview, and Bill gives much more lengthy answers to the questions than on /.

GTG

Posted by: Godwin the Good at December 6, 2002 06:00 AM

He gives a great interview, when its in print. When he is being interviewed for TV or a convention he comes he is a fawken ass! That is why he is the WEAKEST LINK! Goodbye!

Posted by: Terry at December 6, 2002 07:48 AM

He gives a great interview, when its in print. When he is being interviewed for TV or a convention he is a fawken ass! That is why he is the WEAKEST LINK! Goodbye!

(fixed my errors) GOODBYE!

Posted by: Terry at December 6, 2002 07:50 AM

I think what William Shatner said is really silly. Firstly, how can we choose what we feel? All we can do is be ourselves. Also, isn't regret the very process which results in not doing something again? Being non-judgemental about a past mistake is one thing, but pretending there is nothing to regret when there might be is just strange...

Cheers.

Posted by: marco at December 6, 2002 09:50 AM

In fact, I think that it ranks among the most senseless and plainly ridiculous things I have ever heard!!! (I'm really not writing this with the intention of dissing anybody, by the way.)

Posted by: marco at December 6, 2002 09:54 AM

I can answer the question of why Wil calls him "William Fucking Shatner," having just finished reading through the archives of this site (yeah yeah, work has been slow around here).

Early on, Wil called him by that name because WFS had been aloof to him at conventions and elsewhere and Wil thought WFS didn't like him and was a stuck-up prick. Then, backstage at Weakest Link, they got along really well watching a baseball game together, and he rescinded his earlier comments here on the site. Now he calls him WFS in a more "I'm in awe. Can you believe it's actually WILLIAM FUCKING SHATNER" kinda way.

For more detailed info, I suggest you get a job where you sit around doing nothing except surfing the net all day, and spend a week reading the archives.

Your friend and mine,
Ham Salad

Posted by: Ham Salad at December 6, 2002 10:20 AM

in regard to william shatner...he took a situation where he was hopelessly typecast as captain kirk...and he refused to surrender...in fact he turned the situation around to his favor...he took advantage of the fame that "star trek" gave him...and became the william shatner media phenomenon he is today!...he's still working as an actor...has made some unforgetable
"priceline" commercials...and has a number of books on the market...who knows what's next...could "shatner...the broadway musical" be next!

Posted by: d.burr at December 6, 2002 10:59 AM

courtesy of the butthole surfers:

Daddy?

Yes, son?

What does "regret" mean?

Well, son, a funny thing about regret is, that it's better to regret something you have done than to regret something you haven't done. And, by the way, if you see your mom this weekend, would you be sure and tell her...

SATAN! SATAN! SATAN!

Posted by: bradleyboy at December 6, 2002 11:18 AM

I like to jerk my ass of with a pitch fork

Posted by: Curtis Mortimer at December 6, 2002 03:43 PM

Hey Wil saw your question on Slashdot, you're a Slashdot'er dude! lol A Fellow poster posted your Website URL, I thought he was joking.
I think Bill was just being Bill and wasn't trying to be snotty. We Canadians learn to talk fast cause it's cold up here eh, no time to chat. ( that was a joke by the way )
Saw the WFS thing and learned why or so I think.
And I thought I had the coolest Slashdot nick name "Easy2RememberNick"
Why isn't your site down? Didn't you feel the Slashdot effect yet? ;P

Posted by: David at December 6, 2002 03:55 PM

I was lucky enough to actually read first hand the WFS explanation given by Wil, but as there are many new monkeys joining us every day, perhaps Wil would like to add the WFS issue to his FAQs and save HamSalad all that digging ;)

someone said "Say what you like about his acting, but his acting was excellent in his two Twilight Zone appearances. I thought it was just right in the original Star Trek, as well." Yes, WFS was great as Captain Kirk, because, well, he IS Kirk. As a sidenote, Shatner was ONLY an understudy in Stratford (Ontario, Canada)Shakespearean Festival (a big annual event for the last 51 years – excellent quality theatre with TONS of American visitors).

Posted by: SpaceCadet at December 9, 2002 10:27 AM


Lest you're overly impressed with his eloquence -- that's basically a paraphrase of Aldous Huxlex's preface to the second edition of "Brave New world."

Posted by: Demetra at December 11, 2002 06:15 AM

Wil, Just a note-
When my husband and I were standing in line to see Nemesis last night, he told me that he had read some spoilers on the movie. My first question-

Is Wesley Crusher in it?

I have been bummed in the past when they omitted your character. I was a teen when TNG was on TV and really enjoyed and identified w/ your portrayal. I just found your web site and am happy to know that you have had such success in your life. And that you have such a subversive sense of humor. It sounds like you have great family and friends.

I just wanted to wish you well in your life and career. I read the post about the premier. But you know what? You have your own place in television history! That is pretty amazing! And if you can make this married woman feel like she is in junior high again- then you know that you made an impact.

Good Luck! Katie

Posted by: Katie Skelley at December 14, 2002 10:12 AM
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