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January 15, 2003

Who Watches . . . ?

Who Watches The Watchmen?
Posted by wil at January 15, 2003 04:20 PM
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Comic Series.

Ever.

Posted by: Gwalchmai at January 15, 2003 04:21 PM

Oooh, can I have a smiley like that? ;)

Posted by: Moonie at January 15, 2003 04:23 PM

And .... Don't Panic!

Posted by: phygman at January 15, 2003 04:37 PM

Looks more like chocolate sauce than blood.

Posted by: Flaim at January 15, 2003 04:41 PM

Wow.

I am so glad I am a comic Geek at this time. It's like having whole new levels of understanding... and stuff.

I have my evening planned out now.

You have saved me from boredom and my family from a night of my bitching.

They thank you.

Posted by: EnglishBen at January 15, 2003 04:43 PM

It's been sooo long since I read the graphic novel.. I think I need to borrow it again.

Posted by: MobbyG at January 15, 2003 04:49 PM

Here's a link to annotations of some Alan Moore's other projects-
http://www.enjolrasworld.com/annotations.htm

Posted by: Ben Cooper at January 15, 2003 04:52 PM

*pouts*
It's funny that I feel like a geek amongst geeks ;o). Yes, in my little mind, that sentence "Who Watches..." was completed with the words "... the Watchers?" An episode of TNG wherein the natives of a planet the federation have been watching find out about the Enterprise and come to believe that Picard is a god.
But now I wanna know what you're really talking about!

Oh and I was checkin' out the websites of other TNG cast members today... Marina's isn't bad, but nothing is nearly as cool as yours, Wil. Excellent job! I really appreciate all the hardwork you put into the site. Kudos to you, Wil. Kudos to you...

Posted by: Karina at January 15, 2003 04:59 PM

Sweet! comics!

Posted by: mcfoo at January 15, 2003 05:01 PM

My gods that was an excellent comic.

Posted by: Lynne at January 15, 2003 05:01 PM


Ace comic book, Alan Moore is a legend (and a Brit!!!)

His Top10 series is good too.

Plus check out Frank Millers work with any of the established heroes (Spider-Man, Daredevil, Batman)

And never buy Batman: Year 2. That is awful, it burns all what Batman: Year 1 is about.

Ror

Posted by: Rorschach at January 15, 2003 05:11 PM

The Watchmen kicks ass. :) I just read it myself a couple of months ago.

Posted by: Darkmoon at January 15, 2003 05:13 PM

Wil,
I didn't realize other former TNG cast members (or other former co-stars of yours) had web pages...

You ought to link to them!

Posted by: Tim at January 15, 2003 05:16 PM

Ooooooo comics!!!! Alan Moore rocks!!!!

Ack! I just "outed" myself as a female closet comic geek

*grin*

Posted by: glovefox at January 15, 2003 05:21 PM

I read it back in the day...what an amazing series. If you haven't read it, pick it up! I need to go dig through my storage unit and get those out again sometime!

Posted by: ScottMcW at January 15, 2003 05:27 PM

Watchmen rocked ass but if you want Alan Moore's best then grab his run (and i mean all of it) of Swamp Thing. I still can't swim in certain lakes because of a vampire related issue.
:::shivers::::
That man knows creepy.

Posted by: Kane at January 15, 2003 05:28 PM

ohhh swamp thing

ahhhgggjjkjgggmammmmmm

:)

Posted by: wil at January 15, 2003 05:37 PM

A friend of mine, Jess Nevins, is currently working on an annotated League of Extraordinary Gentlemen companion book.

Having read the Watchmen many, many years ago, I look forward to his companion volume as it will undoubtably help me get up to speed with LoEG. How I missed this series is beyond me.

Posted by: Roy at January 15, 2003 05:50 PM

Hey....I actually have that button. I don't remember how I got it, since I have tons and tons of comic related merchandise (used to have a store). I was looking at it earlier, since it's pinned to the bulletin board in my kitchen. You know, for that special pick me up. The Watchmen were definitely all that.

Posted by: michelle at January 15, 2003 05:58 PM

The comic that brought me back to comics! Still carefully preserved in plastic bags. Every. Single. Issue. A. Treasure.

Posted by: Ardellis at January 15, 2003 06:00 PM

*I* watch the Watchmen! I'd also watch it if it ever hits the "Big Screen," but how likely is that anymore? It probably wouldn't have been done justice anyhow. Same goes for a movie version of The Prisoner.

I fell back out of comics a long time ago, but I still have my copies of The Watchmen, The Dark Knight Returns, Batman: Year One, The Killing Joke, and (of course) Neil Gaiman's Sandman. Who would you want to play in a Watchmen movie, Wil?

Posted by: Shaun at January 15, 2003 06:10 PM

Like everyone else, I would want to play Rorschach, but I don't think I'm right for that role.

I think that I'd have a better chance at Veidt (when I'm in fabulous shape), or the second Night Owl (when I'm a few years older).

Posted by: wil at January 15, 2003 06:21 PM

"Thats right. Human bean juice. Ha Ha."

Posted by: foonon at January 15, 2003 06:32 PM

gotta love the watchmen.
http://www.the-watchmen.com/videos_stereo-qtlarge.html
(sorry wil..couldn't resist....these guys are like, canadian college rock heros of mine from way back..not sure if you'll dig em..but well..they're the watchmen ;)

Posted by: tyson at January 15, 2003 06:37 PM

Yay the Watchmen!!!
They're great live.

;)

And www.roddenberry.com is quite impressive. Go Majel.

Posted by: Karina at January 15, 2003 07:05 PM

Geeez...this entry makes me feel like a deprived child for not knowing anything dealing with that show???? *whimpers*

Posted by: artisticspirit at January 15, 2003 07:07 PM

Yes, but who watches those who watch the watchers?

And who watches the watchers of those who watch those who watch the watchers?

And most importantly, who winds the watches of the watchers of those who watch those who watch the watchers?

Excuse me, I've gone cross-eyed.

Posted by: Mike Harris at January 15, 2003 07:19 PM

ST:TNG third season, episode 52: "Who Watches The Watchers?"

Posted by: Datalore at January 15, 2003 07:19 PM

Gads, between this and the movie rumors, I'm going to have to unearth my trade paperback and re-read this. Nice find!

[happy wiggle] Well, at least it'll kill time until June 21 and the next Harry Potter book! [/happy wiggle]

Posted by: Shannon at January 15, 2003 07:25 PM

Wil,

Who Watches the Watchers?? One of my favorite STTNG episodes. By the way I can see alot of you on monday...(this is for all wwdn readers that want to know) Anywho on monday TNN is having a TNG Marathon from 9 am est to 12 midnight est...I am sure there will be alot of good old cadet/ensign Wesley Crusher.....Looking foreward to it. I know, I know, GET A LIFE..

As always Wil, best to you and your family.

Buh Bye.....
Ozzman.

Posted by: The Ozzman at January 15, 2003 07:32 PM

Cool smiley face. Honest to god, i've never seen this before. Thanks for the making my week

Posted by: terry at January 15, 2003 07:38 PM

That's amazing. I just read the Watchmen for the first time last week, under direct orders from a friend. It was profound.

What made you bring it up here? Some Comedian giving you trouble lately?

Posted by: Grael at January 15, 2003 07:43 PM

I still want that damn button, I have that as my buddy icon on AIM. At some point I want to find someone to make one for me. I'll get a shit load of em

Patrick

Posted by: MesnerTrks at January 15, 2003 08:01 PM

I think I still HAVE my Watchmen pin somewhere. As well as the "Cui custodio custudies" pin. Don't recall where I left it, though.

Posted by: mtbandit at January 15, 2003 08:19 PM

I found this place. Looks like a cool graphic book there. :BIG SMILE:
http://raven.ubalt.edu/staff/moulthrop/hypertexts/wm/

Posted by: Susan H at January 15, 2003 08:28 PM

=) Excellent choice, Wil.

In related news...

England Prevails.

Posted by: Alec at January 15, 2003 08:39 PM

uh...PS:That watchmen smilie reminds me of stuff they did in your own "Boring Adult Conversation" threads.AHchooboobiescoffcoff.
:eek:

Posted by: Susan H at January 15, 2003 08:40 PM

Wil,
Just because you wrote a book, gives you no reason not to write on your site. Where I come from, you would starve and then get fed liver,if you were lucky,for these kind of jokes. Who taught you the art of letter writing? Your cool, even without the icecream. hahahahahahhaha.

FG

Posted by: Fabian at January 15, 2003 09:36 PM

I don't even have a clue what the Watchman is. What can I say, I know I know I am not cool! And yes I am old enough to know who that should be, haha.

Posted by: Marie at January 15, 2003 09:46 PM

I've been on and off reading that book for about a year now. That page is so incredibly helpful and fun. THANK YOU.

Posted by: kelly at January 15, 2003 11:43 PM

OK, but can you all remember where in the comic that image first appears? Name the correct location where it was first pictured in the comic and i will be impressed! :)

Posted by: Mari at January 16, 2003 12:02 AM

I have never seen/heard of this before.

Wil posted a big orange smiley face at 4:20. heh.

Posted by: Jeremiah at January 16, 2003 12:19 AM

Once again, proof that I am nowhere NEAR the geek I wish I was.

Wil, you ROCK


even if I don't understand half of what you say.

Maybe BECAUSE I don't understand half of what you say.

Posted by: AngelGypsy at January 16, 2003 12:43 AM

I don't. I watch Samurai Jack.
"Got to get back / back to the past / Samurai Jack (Jack, J-Jack, Jack, Jack!)"

My geekness is of another world. *sigh*

Posted by: Reena at January 16, 2003 01:00 AM

You can find another annotation of Watchmen at http://raven.ubalt.edu/staff/moulthrop/hypertexts/wm/watch.cfm. It's got some good stuff as well, to complement the other annotation. It also allows readers to add their own comments.

Posted by: litlnemo at January 16, 2003 03:55 AM

You know, I gave up on telling people how much I loved the Watchmen. It seems to be really in vogue now to knock it, even Alan Moore seems to think it was an amateurish, cliched effort. I think it amazing. I think it is one of the best distilations of personalities I can think of, sort of a Bbreakfast Club for superheroes.

Posted by: luke at January 16, 2003 04:31 AM

I have no idea what "the Watchmen" is, but the first thing I thought of (like Karina) was "Who Watches the Watchers"... funny, 'cuz I just watched that episode last night!! :P
Love, Alicia
www.thewagband.com

Posted by: Alicia at January 16, 2003 04:48 AM

Karina,

Don't worry! I thought the same thing! LOL! Yes....geeks among geeks!

I'm just glad I'm not expected to understand everything about comic book culture to enjoy this site! Fortunately (for us, I guess) the references are few and far. :-)

Posted by: Michael Demmons at January 16, 2003 04:59 AM

Mari, I'm fairly sure it's when that bastard fell out of the window several stories to his death.....course, I forget his name...sheesh..

Posted by: Michelle at January 16, 2003 05:21 AM

The smiley reminds me of a friend I had back in high school who was way into comic book drawing. He had created a psychopathic rabbit who carried a chainsaw and went around on a murder spree. He wore a smiley face as a mask.

Posted by: Jon at January 16, 2003 06:14 AM

Why does everyone want to be Rorschach? Me, I prefer The Comedian. I like his rather real politck veiw of the world. The world is divided into right and wrong, and The Comedian gets to do the dividing.

Well, being from Kansas, I also gotta have a soft spot for Dollar Bill. Shame about his cape though....

Posted by: JimmyT at January 16, 2003 07:37 AM

Everybody should start sending copies of the Watchmen to Peter Jackson at once.

Posted by: st at January 16, 2003 07:41 AM

I can totally see Wil as Rorshach...but I mean that in a *good* way....

Posted by: Emerald at January 16, 2003 08:02 AM

"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes."

Posted by: Robyn at January 16, 2003 08:37 AM

Actually, give Wil a few more years and I could see him as Grimjack!

Posted by: Nyarl at January 16, 2003 08:39 AM

I can remember when talks of a movie first came up, what, teens of years ago, talk of Burt Reynolds as the Comedian were forefront. I think it still holds true.

Wil's good for a leaner, more naive hero (no disrespect intended).

Of course everybody wants to be Rorschach. But they've got to have the right mindset to make it fly. I can't think of anyone who can play sanely crazy or crazily sane at the moment.

Rereading mine as well, now.

Posted by: Hrm.. at January 16, 2003 08:44 AM

Burt Reynolds would be really good as The Comedian.

I'm going to start a geeky "who would you cast in The Watchmen movie" thread in the soapbox.

Posted by: wil at January 16, 2003 08:56 AM

Head over to www.needcoffee.com and check out their Dreamcasts... their dream cast of the Watchmen would have William Macy as Rorschach, and I thoroughly agree.

Posted by: Dex at January 16, 2003 09:24 AM

Totally inappropriate content deleted.

65.244.108.205

Posted by: Yo Now at January 16, 2003 09:37 AM

Funny

http://www.lemonbovril.co.uk/bushspeech/index.html

Posted by: nitz at January 16, 2003 09:58 AM

The Watchmen. Excellent comic series - I'm glad to see that it is still held in high regard and hasn't been forgotten. I have in my possession a screenplay draft (don't even remember how I got it) of The Watchmen written by Sam Hamm. Too bad a film (or mini-series) version of this series has never been made (yet). I should dig out the comics and read them again, now that you have reminded me.

Another favorite comic series of mine from several years back: Green Arrow: The Longbow Hunters, by Mike Grell. Anybody here familiar with that one?

Posted by: Dave Westbay at January 16, 2003 10:01 AM

Mmmmmmm.............Comics

Hey Wil,
Goin' to the Comicon in San Diego this summer??

Hope to see ya there!!

Posted by: shrednfred at January 16, 2003 10:17 AM

Heheheh.... Funny comic... Oh yea, nice post at 4:20 =)

Posted by: EA at January 16, 2003 10:32 AM

Dave, I forgot all about The Longbow Hunters! Yes, I still have that in my comic collection too. That whole Green Arrow series Mike Grell wrote was really good, although he seemed to run out of ideas and I lost interest in it not long before it ended (and Oliver was killed off). It was GA's cameo in The Dark Knight that got me interested in that character. Comics had a conscience back then. Maybe they still do, I don't know. I guess Kevin Smith (yes, *that* Kevin Smith) has revived the character, brought Oliver back from the dead, and written a new GA miniseries. Has anyone here read it? I just might have to check that out.

Wil, I can totally see you as Veidt or Night Owl. Rorschach rocks, but that role would be a challenge. Should we start campaigning Peter Jackson to make the movie and cast you? :-)

Posted by: Shaun at January 16, 2003 11:05 AM

On the subject of Rorschach, how about the mighty Bruce Campbell of Evil Dead fame? Sanely mad, madly sane, just the right amount of over acting...

Posted by: Timbo at January 16, 2003 11:35 AM

That watch-guy is all well and good, but I prefer this...

http://jimwoodring.com/misc/mantra.html

And this...

http://www.whimsyload.com

And this...

http://drawnandquarterly.com

And this...

http://www.little-lit.com

And this...

http://jotto.com/pages/MBmain.html

Posted by: Spudnuts at January 16, 2003 12:03 PM

We now know what Pete Townshend likes to watch. Don't know about Daltrey.

Posted by: Fred Fowler at January 16, 2003 01:07 PM

"He had created a psychopathic rabbit who carried a chainsaw and went around on a murder spree. He wore a smiley face as a mask."

Sounds like the original Chainsaw Vigilante from back when The Tick was just a brilliantly funny indy comic book.

Posted by: Roy at January 16, 2003 01:42 PM

We seem to be talking about a comic book that I'm not aware of. Which is odd, because I'm a total comic book junkie. When I saw the happy face, I thought we were talkin' like, that 70's show or something. *hangs head in SHAME!*

Posted by: Jessie at January 16, 2003 02:04 PM

"None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with you, you're locked up in here with me!"

I so hope this gets made into a movie.

Wil, I honestly think you're much too young to play any of the main characters. However depending on how long it takes to get made you might age well. :)

Here is my fantasy cast
Rorschach: William H. Macy
Doctor Manhattan: Vin Diesel
Silk Spectre: Carla Gugino
Nite Owl I: Dennis Hopper
Nite Owl II: John Cusack
Veidt/Ozymandias: Christopher Walken
Comedian: The Rock.

Posted by: Rob Merritt at January 16, 2003 02:47 PM

You're right, Wil -- I could totally see you as Daniel Dreiberg, the second Nite Owl. I'd think Adrian Veidt would be a much less rewarding part for an actor, anyway.

Posted by: rab at January 16, 2003 02:57 PM

The rec.arts.comics usenet newsgroup went wild over Watchmen when it came out (this predates the Internet). There were hundreds of messages about it with detailed analysis of panel layout, character development, and more which were great! I printed a lot of it out, but I don't know that I still have them. I also saved a lot of it to floppy, but I don't know if those floppies can still be read. Aren't there old usenet archives being kept online somewhere? The speculation from issue to issue beat anything I'd ever seen there before. Of course, my interest in comics has diminished with the passing years, but I still recommend Watchmen as one of the best comics ever.

Posted by: JoKeR at January 16, 2003 03:15 PM

Posted by: Jim at January 16, 2003 03:32 PM

http://stfu.nu/kergillian/images/trueface.jpg

Posted by: Kergillian at January 16, 2003 03:34 PM

Shaun, the Kevin Smith Green Arrow series was quite good IMO. He did a great job of "resurrecting" Ollie. I believe that those issues have been compiled into a graphic novel, which probably goes by the title that the Smith series had, "Quiver". Pick it up if you get the chance, I'll bet you'll like it!

P.S. I also loved Ollie's appearance in the Dark Knight series. It was a cool surprise to see him there! And the writer who "killed" Ollie in the GA series paid homage to Miller's idea of Ollie having lost an arm because of Superman.

OK, back to your regularly scheduled Watchmen discussion..... :-)

Posted by: Dave Westbay at January 16, 2003 06:52 PM

Dang.I always miss the excitement. I wasnt watching the watcher(Wil)...do I say "break a leg" to TV/movie actors too? Im not sure. :)
(For auditions)

Posted by: Susan H at January 16, 2003 07:28 PM

*Chomp, Chomp*

Rorschach eating sugar cubes...

Posted by: Kevynn Malone at January 16, 2003 09:13 PM

Shame that the breakdown for chapter 3 is a copy of the one for chapter 2. Sorry to get back on topic but...

Posted by: Timbo at January 17, 2003 08:08 AM

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes."
Who sweeps up after the janitor?

Posted by: arbi at January 17, 2003 02:58 PM

I think I've still got the pin too... if I can ever clean up that mess I call an attic.

Posted by: Chris at January 17, 2003 06:02 PM

I've been reading all the speculation of who should play whom in a Watchmen movie, but you know, back in the day when Alan Moore's classic series first came out, everyone at my local comic book shop had this discussion. We all agreed that Charles Bronson would make the best Comedian, hands down. It's a little late now, but if they'd have been casting back then, I can think of no one better.

And while we're on the subject of Alan Moore, I highly recommend you check out the single best comic book I have ever read, Alan Moore's Swamp Thing Annual #2. It also contains the single best line I've ever read in a comic book. When the Phantom Stranger admonishes the Demon for breaking the rules by aiding Swamp Thing. The Demon laughs and says, "And what shall they do? Condemn me to Hell perhaps?". Too cool!

Posted by: Bryce at January 17, 2003 08:24 PM

"Raw shark?"

Any particular reason why "The Watchment" is being mentioned so many years since it's publication. Not that I mind it, as it's an excellent example of the fine writing of Alan Moore. His writing in Swamp Thing was the best for that series had ever seen.

Speaking of comics... Ever read "A Distant Soil" from WARP comics (early 1980s)? During the course of the first three issues, it picked up a manga style in layout as well as character design.

Posted by: Naoto Kimura at January 18, 2003 08:23 AM

"Though much is taken, much remains, and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are-
One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak
By time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield."

The Nite Owl Lives.

Posted by: Jackstraw at January 18, 2003 07:50 PM

Woah- weird, I'd forgotten I was even hosting that site.

Thanks for linking to it!

Posted by: RJ at January 21, 2003 09:03 AM

I recommend V for Vendetta as a side dish to the main course, that is, The Watchmen. Also League of extraordinary gentlemen. too.

Posted by: Matthew at January 24, 2003 09:21 AM

Simply delightful that you're a Watchmen fan, Wil.

I remember sitting in a huge, flat purple beanbag (that spewed foam pellets with every movement) in my first college apartment, reading Watchmen. Thought it was one of most brilliant things I'd ever read.

Now, over a decade later I think it's still one of the most prescient sci-fi graphic novels made.

Love it, I do - and love that you love it too! (Good Lord, that was Yoda and Barney in a blender!)

Wish you much future success!

the farkleberries of Chicago

Posted by: Lenka Reznicek at January 24, 2003 12:44 PM

I have one of those pins! I got it Golden Apple on Melrose when the Watchmen was originaly published.

I know this is a late post but I just found this while searching for info.

Posted by: Master K at April 11, 2003 08:29 PM
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