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March 14, 2003

The Cutting Crew

I have heard from very reliable sources that there will be no Wesley scenes on the Nemesis DVD.

Many people have asked me if I take it personally that they cut the scenes out, again. Well, not really. I'm sad about it, of course. Like many fans, I wanted to see how the scene played out.

But, it's not my movie, and I understand that TPTB totally hated the way the whole wedding sequence looked. When Rick told me that I was cut from the theatrical release, he mentioned to me that if they could have cut the whole thing, they would have.

I don't know how DVD technology works, but if they were close to filling it up, and they had to pick between a Wesley scene that they really hated, and a Data scene that was tough to cut . . . well, that's not a real tough choice, is it?

Things like this remind me of my "place" in the Star Trek world, and I'm actually quite happy to know where I stand. When things like this happen, it makes me feel like less and less of TPTB's "family." Until recently, this hurt a lot. But in the last two years, I've become a bigger part of fandom's "family," and it feels great. I feel at home when I'm with other fans . . . because I'm Just A Geek.

Posted by wil at March 14, 2003 11:16 AM
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WooHoo! First Post!

Sorry to hear about no scenes on the DVD. I was looking forward to them.

- Miles -

Posted by: Miles at March 14, 2003 11:19 AM

Glad to hear that u are finnally in a good place about your role in the star trek unervirse. Even thought I wish it was a bit bigger. I always did like Wes.
PS Second post

Posted by: Brent at March 14, 2003 11:23 AM

I really wanted to see your scene! :-( That really sucks that it was cut again.

I always liked the character of "Wesley" and how you played him.

just another geek,

ellen

Posted by: ellen at March 14, 2003 11:24 AM

Gee, does rick berman remind anyone else of a certain illegitimate in power that doesn't listen to what the people want?

Screw 'em Wil.

We'd rather have you as a part of our family.

Just let people like that know that when the geek revolution comes that they're first against the wall. :)

Posted by: Kane at March 14, 2003 11:25 AM

sorry wil.
that sucks.
but who needs 'em?!

eric

Posted by: eky at March 14, 2003 11:25 AM

What a bunch of bastards.

Posted by: John at March 14, 2003 11:28 AM

Huh. They hated the wedding scene. Well, it was one of the few parts that interested me. Cause it was about people and it was a reminder that these characters have a tight bond and are like family to each other. Sure, it coulda been a little better. But it certainly wasn't worse than the whole rest of the film.

Well, that's really all I have to say for now. Except that I think you have a pretty excellent attitude about all this Trek stuff.

Posted by: jl at March 14, 2003 11:31 AM

Unless they plan on somehow developing it further...I really think that's a bit of a bonehead move. buuttt whatever.

cheers.

Posted by: Jay at March 14, 2003 11:32 AM

Based on what was left of the film it helps your legacy not to be associated too closely with Nemesis; think of it as having the last laugh... but I'd be sad too.

Posted by: HR G at March 14, 2003 11:38 AM

The cut Nemesis scenes featuring your cameo were my primary reason in planning to buy the DVD unseen. Now I hesitate; I think my loyalties have shifted. These days, I tend to think of you now as Wil Wheaton, Compelling Blogger, rather than Wil Wehaton, Former Trek Castmember.

And I think that's a *good* thing. :)

Posted by: Mariann at March 14, 2003 11:42 AM

Sorry to hear that Wil...I was really looking forward to your scenes!!!

Posted by: Maria at March 14, 2003 11:44 AM

Dear Paramount,

No Wheaton, no purchase.


Signed,
Irascible

Posted by: Irascible at March 14, 2003 11:46 AM

My thoughts on the state of Star Trek: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=52785&cid=5226359

Posted by: wil at March 14, 2003 11:47 AM

Wil, you should really do some spoken word shows, not just conventions. I think it would be great. Look at Henry Rollins, he is more known for his spoken word and writing then for his music now. I think you should look into it. Start small, maybe organize some shows in state, and if it makes some money, do some traveling! I think you would wow a lot of people.

Posted by: taso at March 14, 2003 11:49 AM

Great article, Wil. First Light was not only the best ST:TNG episode, it was first and foremost a great story about people. The business with the cut scenes? Their loss. I, for one, won't buy the DVD.

Posted by: Geeketeer at March 14, 2003 11:53 AM

Sorry to hear about that, man, I'd be pissed off myself.

Forget them, though. You've got a bunch of fans right here.

Posted by: Tom at March 14, 2003 11:55 AM

Those bastards.

Posted by: Meerenai at March 14, 2003 11:56 AM

Wil, I wouldn't worry too much about it anyway...seems like Paramount is too busy running the entire Star Trek franchise over a cliff to care about whose scenes get cut from DVDs or whatever. (When TV Guide solicited opinions on how to save ST, I wrote in and said "fire Berman and Braga now, and bring in people who really CARE." I even suggested that they get JMS to try and breathe new life into Trek. Of course, I doubt either he or they would take that suggestion seriously...) It may be time for Trek to go back into hibernation for another decade or so...

Your struggle is no different, at its core, from that of the rest of us geeks. Whether it's getting cut from a movie you worked so hard on, or losing your job when the company you worked so hard for suddenly closes down, these things all pass. The trick is to live through them. You've got your focus right where it needs to be--on your family. And, in the end, the world will always need geeks. Geeks adapt, and endure.

(Maybe this is as much of a pep talk for myself as it is for you. So be it.)

Posted by: Erbo at March 14, 2003 11:57 AM

Well, there goes my only reason to buy the DVD, rent the DVD, ever see the movie. Maybe I'll watch it when it hits TV in a couple years.

TPTB have no idea how much money they're losing. They're not screwing Wil Wheaton, they're screwing themselves.

Posted by: Jellyn at March 14, 2003 11:57 AM

B&B are SUCH good judges of what makes good Trek... Nemesis had a chance to be a good film but the editing was AWFUL, and now they refuse to release the DVD with the stuff that we wanted to see in the first place.

Admiral Janeway - Captain Picard, was it your idea to use the Enterprise E as in a demolition derby?

Captain Picard - It was as though I was compelled. It went against everything I had been taught and leaned in my years as a Captain, but something seemed to be controlling me. For some reason it seemed the only choice!

Janeway - We also have only your word as to how the irreplaceable Comander Data was lost.

Picard - Yes Admiral. But....

Janeway - You want this board to believe that, having survived the Borg, Q, Lore, Klingons, Romulan incursions, warp-core breaches, the Dominion War, time travel and the Enterprise-D crash on Veridian III, Comander Data decided to immolate himself and the Romulan vessel by firing a phaser into a plasma conduit instead of simply turning the weapons system off or retargeting it?

Picard - Yes but...

Janeway - I think you need to take some time off and report to Starfleet Medical. Perhaps those Borg implants are still affecting your mind, Captain.

Posted by: Dana Curtis Kincaid at March 14, 2003 11:58 AM

Hey, at least you were on screen! I was sitting with some women (who I didn't know) in the theater, not expecting to see you at all because of the cutting, and there you were.

Of course, instead of "Hey, it's Wesley!" it was "Hey, Wil didn't get completely cut!". Strange what your site has done to my fandom. :-)

Posted by: Erin at March 14, 2003 12:00 PM

When one is making a film, and the time comes to cut scenes... oh it is heartbreaking, it is like cutting a limb, at least that's what happens to me, I wish I could leave all the material edited yet pure... without so many cuts, with all the scenes on it, they translate into hard work and it is always sad to work and then don't see all the results of it, still... there are non touchable and hard to seen efforts and memories that'll always stay in the heart of those of us who make movies...

Posted by: Soda Cáustica at March 14, 2003 12:01 PM

Aw. I'd been going to rent the DVD for Wilscenes. Phooey on them, then.

Posted by: catie at March 14, 2003 12:07 PM

I've never posted to your journal before (and I don't even know if you read the comments), but I just wanted to add my voice to the disappointment.

I didn't manage to see Nemesis in the theatre and really didn't label it as much of a loss, since money is really tight, but when I heard that they might be including your cut scenes on the DVD I knew that I would at least rent the DVD and watch it and those scenes.

Now I find myself very disappointed with how the star trek powers that be treat you and don't have a strong urge to support them in any monetary fashion.

Posted by: mony at March 14, 2003 12:10 PM

Dang, Wil!
I haven't bought any of the TNG DVDs as yet (actually, no TNG movies since my brother bought me Generations) so I am waiting for a big pack anyways.
But it better be a special edition big pack. Eventually they'll figure out they can make more money by putting your cut scenes on a DVD.
We'll get what we want through their greed.

Posted by: Karina at March 14, 2003 12:18 PM

Dear Will, Nemisis lasted barely a week in my local cinema, not a good sign. I would suggest that the more they cut you from it the better for you. While it quite rightly represents a significant body of work for you,along with 'Stand By Me' etc. You have now moved on as this site and your writing prove. The Star Trek franchise has not. It has become the fast food outlet of the genre, process them through as quickly as possible and count the money. Yes to have work junked in an indifferent manner hurts but the ones who junk are the loosers not you. Wesley is good Will is better (apologies to George Orwell)

Posted by: greymalkin at March 14, 2003 12:23 PM

Every Star Trek movie has seen two DVD releases. First there is the regular release which is pretty much the same as the theatre release with few added features. It is later followed by the "Super Mega Fantastic Trekkie Release" which has all the bells and whistle. This is done because they know there are enough obsessive Trek geeks out there who will rush to buy the first DVD when it hits the shelves and then also buy the second extended version when it comes out.

Don't worry. I'm sure that there will be a "Super Mega Fantastic Trekkie Release" of Nemesis as well about 8 to 12 months after the first DVD release. I'm sure it will be chock full o' extra Wheaton goodness too.

If not, then let's take up a collection to buy our buddy Wil a webcam and he can act out his scenes for us online.

Posted by: Ghastly at March 14, 2003 12:25 PM

Wah. I'll have to resort to rewatching the very small part that Wesley was in, and boring my friends by telling them in great detail why he should have been kept in. It won't be the same without you!

Posted by: Queenie at March 14, 2003 12:29 PM

well...they just lost out on my money..
i was planning to buy the dvd, only because i thought i'd get a chance to see your scenes...

no wesley scenes..

no buy dvd.

that simple..


anyhow...looking forward to your book Wil...must be close to done now...
cheers

tyson

Posted by: Tyson at March 14, 2003 12:29 PM

Wil,
Does any detail of that movie get by you? I guess not. I hope you do not let this ruin your weekend.

FG

Posted by: Fabian at March 14, 2003 12:33 PM

Well, TPTB be damned, Nemesis might well be the first Star Trek movie I don't buy on DVD. I didn't care much for the movie, and the only reason I was looking forward to the DVD was to finally hear what happened to Wesley. Now I have to ask, will you ever tell us?

On second thought, I wouldn't give up hope just yet: those money grubbing bastards at Paramount are probably holding off some footage for the "Super Special Director's Cut Edition" they will probably come up with in 6 months.

Posted by: MrSpock at March 14, 2003 12:36 PM

At least your have a SMALL part in the movie.

I saw your smilin' mug in the wedding scene.

Better then a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

Beau
"Change and Thrive, Stagnate and Die"

Posted by: RevXaos at March 14, 2003 12:36 PM

What on earth is up their collective asses?? That really ticks me off to no end. Sorry Wil! I really feel for you, and hope these scenes will see the light of day someday!

By the way, I'm still looking forward to your book!!

Matt

Posted by: Matt at March 14, 2003 12:41 PM

Special documentary featurette on the Nemesis Special/Director's Edition:

"Trek Kicking Wheaton Repeatedly in the Nads: A Legacy"

Narrated by Celine Dion.

Posted by: weds at March 14, 2003 12:42 PM

My first question when I saw the write-up was, "Where the f#ck are Wil's scenes?"

The next question was, "Why the f#ck aren't they editing most of these back into the film, because they'd sure steady what was an uneven job of editing and storytelling for the theatrical release?"

My third question involved calling on all the gods to infect Rick Berman with assrot, so I'll just leave that alone.

:(

Posted by: Gwalchmai at March 14, 2003 12:43 PM

Your scene was deleted from the "Deleted Scenes".

Wow, now that's Star Power.

Too bad. I haven't bought a Star Trek DVD yet and this was gonna be my first, just for the Head Monkey's scenes.

Not now.

Posted by: I'm Lame at March 14, 2003 12:47 PM

That sucks. And I was so excited when you appeared in the reception scene. Felt like it was a teaser for the DVD....

I'm glad you're keeping a healthy attitude though. You're right, even this die-hard trekkie (well, back in the days of high school at least....) realizes ST is only a part of life. And a relatively small part, at that. You've got so much more going for you...I'm glad you realize it.

Looking forward to your book! =)

Em

Posted by: Em at March 14, 2003 12:52 PM

WHAT A CROCK! Seriously.

*sigh* Weasels. They're such weasels. I can't believe they wouldn't put the scenes on the DVD. Bastards.

If it helps, the movie TOTALLY sucked.

Posted by: rani23 at March 14, 2003 12:53 PM

Too bad about the cut scenes. I would have liked to seen how Wesley had developed since the show's ending. I always thought that character had the most potential.

Posted by: Dan at March 14, 2003 12:56 PM

That so TOTALLY sucks. I was gonna buy the DVD ONLY for the Wil Wheaton scenes... but if he's been axed, I have no intention of buying such a crummy movie.

How sad =/

Posted by: Merle at March 14, 2003 12:59 PM

Wil-

Since we're sure your scenes won't be part of the official DVD release, are you able to tell us what in the world happend to Wesley Crusher? Last time we saw him, he was going to leave Starfleet. Years later, he's at a wedding reception in a Starfleet Uniform. Please to explain?

Posted by: EB at March 14, 2003 01:05 PM

Dagnabbit. I didn't go see the movie in theatres because I wanted to wait for the DVD and get the movie and superspecial WW cut scenes all in one. Now it's just not nearly as exciting. :P

Posted by: Christy at March 14, 2003 01:07 PM

What? I was all set to get the DVD to see 'all' the deleted scenes, and they remove _again_ the ones with Wesley in them. I mean, why?

Well lets hope they make another movie, cause Nemesis was so chopped up it was really kinda stupid anyway, make the next movie centered on somthing else.

Posted by: Joel Andrews at March 14, 2003 01:11 PM

Greetings.

I was/am a fan of Wesley Crusher. I was very crushed by the events leading up to Wesley's departure from ST:TNG. The way the story treated Wes was horrid. I was so excited to hear that Wes was to make an apperance in Nemesis, but of course that didn't happen.

Even sadder, we your fans will never see what scenes you filmed. That's what DVDs are for darn it. All the extra stuff.

Too bad you can't do a "Wesley edit" and let us see how you would cut the film.

Posted by: Rebecca at March 14, 2003 01:14 PM

I'm a big Star Trek fan and didn't go to "Nemesis" because it looked SOOOO BAD. You're probably better off not being in it. Looking forward to "Neverland"!!

And hey, I'd rather have a scene cut than to have never been in one at all. You have a charmed life, son, and given what I've read on your post, you do know that.

Posted by: vic... at March 14, 2003 01:20 PM

Look at it this way. In 10 years when the finally decide to sink some money back into a ST movie, after the "Nemesis" debacle (sp?) they can bring Wesley back in and kill him off like a lot of people wanted long ago. NAH, they'd never do it, the weennies. Forget 'em Wil. I'm much more interested in seeing "Neverland" than "Nemesis" anyway.

Posted by: Joe at March 14, 2003 01:21 PM

Geez... I was thinking of buying a copy to see the deleted scenes.

Maybe they should just release all the scenes and let you "create your own movie"... probably would sell better than the official edit.

Posted by: R. Moose at March 14, 2003 01:22 PM

Dude. Glad to hear you're over it. Like others have said, you're better off. It was a pretty sucky movie to begin with.

Posted by: robleyw at March 14, 2003 01:28 PM

Personally, I've been a bit disappointed in Trek overall since the point where Voyager started to go downhill. The last few episodes were very disappointing to me. I've also been fairly disappointed with Enterprise and the last few movies. I seriously think they could have done better.

While I did catch a glimpse of you sitting next to Gates McFadden during the wedding scene (which I thought was really cute because I've always liked the Riker/Troi pairing), I'm disappointed to hear they cut your lines. Personally, I think the Wesley character had some serious potential that the writers never truly capitalized on.

Posted by: Jess at March 14, 2003 01:30 PM

I was thinking of renting this to see the deleted scenes ... sure as heck wasn't paying $13.50 to see it in a movie theatre ... but with the reviews that have come back on this movie plus the way the franchise has been sliding into the dustbin, I think I'll save my rental dollars and rewatch Band of Brothers.

Now howcum you never tried out for that series?

Posted by: Alicia at March 14, 2003 01:30 PM

Boo hiss boobs.

No Wil. No Wesley. No Fandom. No longer.

Abandon all Trek-love all ye who enter here...

*throws down communicator badge*

Posted by: EnglishBen at March 14, 2003 01:35 PM

I think it sucks your stuff from ST:N is totally gone. As for the state of Trek, I could not agree with you more and I couldn't have said it better myself. It's a shame that's the way it is.

What can you do?

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan at March 14, 2003 01:50 PM

It would be nice if we could get the footage in QuickTime or something... Surely there's someone at Paramont who would "donate" it to the underground

Posted by: Randall at March 14, 2003 02:03 PM

The Star Trek franchise is dying. While Nemesis wasn't its last gasp, it is pretty darn close.

I wouldn't be worried about not being included. Sometimes you've got to move on, and moving on from Star Trek's official TPTBs is a good thing, judging by what they've done to the franchise.

If Enterprise wasn't the flagship show (pardon the pun) of the weaking UPN, it wouldn't even be on the air anymore.

You don't want to be on a ship that's going down. Concentrate on what you're good at -- writing, your Fandom stuff, acting, voiceovers, improv, etc. Screw Berman and the rest of them (a sentiment I think more and more Trek fans have nowadays, methinks).

Posted by: Bob at March 14, 2003 02:05 PM

*chants* One of us! One of us!

"If you have the will to live, any place can be heaven."

Posted by: Rebecca at March 14, 2003 02:11 PM

There's no way I'm buying that DVD now. Goddamnit1

Posted by: The Man at March 14, 2003 02:16 PM

The character of Wesley Crusher was what first brought me to read your website. The life and times of Wil Wheaton is why I stay.

Dude, you got the first on-screen kiss with Ashley Judd! That has to count.

Scotty to Kirk, ST:TMP:
"Any man, who can do what you did out there, I dare not disappoint."

Posted by: Pat Omandam at March 14, 2003 02:19 PM

What the hell is TPTB?

Posted by: Zach at March 14, 2003 02:27 PM

Dude... You *are* one of "us" and always will be. Strangely enough, *I* don't feel like one "us" anymore since ST has sucked rocks for several years now. I know you weren't hot on DS9, Wil, but now that the series is coming out on DVD you oughta go back and give that series another chance. It took a little while for it to find its space legs (what Trek hasn't?), but they quickly found their place and, I think,they became the best Trek series of the bunch (at least until they stumbled in season seven).

The characters were flawed, and they were just more "real" than the people on the other shows. Sort of like Wesley's later guest appearances on TNG, which were your best performances. Things weren't so neat and perfect all the time, y'know? That's because guys like Ron Moore, Michael Piller and Ira Behr really cared about the characters and the fans. Now all of those guys are gone, and the current shepherds of the franchise are a bunch of bean counters who insult my intelligence. Bimbos in catsuits are now more important than stories abou the human condition.

Be glad you're not in the Nemesis DVD, Wil. That film stunk on ice. It was derivative of past films, numerous plot holes large enough to fly a galaxy-class starship though, and now no Wesley (when did he rejoin Starfleet anyhow?). I even found ST V more entertaining than Nemesis! At least that movie had good character moments, since WFS understood that one of Trek's strengths was its realtionships. Nemesis is the only Trek movie I've seen just once, and now I don't even have a reason to rent the DVD.

Paramount should let the franchise die, and maybe in another ten years a new crop of writers with fresh ideas will breathe some new life into it. If not, there's still over 500 hours of Trek out there. Do we really need more?

Posted by: Shaun at March 14, 2003 02:38 PM

Hey Wil;
Just one more reason not to buy anything further from these guys. Long live the memory of what Trek was!
LeeB

Posted by: LeeB at March 14, 2003 02:49 PM

Is it just me..but I saw nemesis in the movie theater and you were in the movie. On the bridge of the enterprise, and only for like 2 minutes..but you were there. More in the movie than I was!

Posted by: dave at March 14, 2003 02:52 PM

This is all the fault of the fan community for failing to rally behind my unimpeachable petition,

http://www.petitiononline.com/wesley/

-- Notary Sojac
(not a licensed notary public)

Posted by: Notary Sojac at March 14, 2003 03:01 PM

I'm with Irascible, tyson, Mr Spock, Merle, et al:
No Wesley scenes means I have no interest in buying the DVD. Instead I'll take that money and sock it away for _Just A Geek_

Posted by: Jarissa at March 14, 2003 03:13 PM

Wil,

Since they obviously (for sundry and various reasons) aren't going to include your scenes in *anything*, I wonder it Rick and Co. would ever consider releasing that footage to you. Seeing a "Multimedia" section on your site wouldn't bother me at all. :-)

-J

Posted by: Jonathan at March 14, 2003 03:16 PM

>Is it just me..but I saw nemesis in the movie >theater and you were in the movie. On the bridge >of the enterprise, and only for like 2 >minutes..but you were there. More in the movie >than I was!

Dave, Wil was in the movie (very) briefly, but not on the bridge of the Big E. He was sitting at the table during the wedding scene. Wil was initially in the film a bit more than that, and even had some dialogue. All of that get cut, and that's what's got the monkeys upset.

I just can't figure out why TPTB had Wes in a Starfleet uniform when he left the fleet years before. Oh wait... This is Rick Berman's franchise we'e talking about. Things aren't necessarily supposed to make sense. The whole movie pretty much sucked ass.

Posted by: Shaun at March 14, 2003 03:37 PM

Hey Wil ...

You handled yourself with class when they cut your scenes out before ... no need to feel bad about this time. I didn't think Nemesis was that hot (and it's an even-number Trek movie too)

You still have lots of fans out there. Don't let it ruin your weekend ... not worth it Bud.

Posted by: Vuman at March 14, 2003 03:38 PM

Hy everyone first of all this is my first message even if i check this web site almost daily for the last year and i want to thank Will for shering all of this with us ( the fans) , a thing that not many actors do that's why we all like you )my name is cris 26 and i"m from romania sou you have fans even in romania (and belive me they're not just a few )i should not worry about popularity , grew up waching tng and to tell The truth im little concern right now with the people from paramount it looks like they are sleeping or something if they let people like rick berman and sherry lang wich they dont lose only the intrest for ST but also their respect who are they to decide who's gonna play who's gonna show up and who not , we are going to see the movie we are buying the product's from paramont not them we should decide how to play and how not to ,and personally this is our mistake too ,we should take action and let them now now and if they dont listen then we should all give our money for movies and dvd's to you and you can collect the money from all the fans (who are willing to doo something and not just stay and watch everything ruined and not to do nothing to faith against paramount so it's our mistake too little bit too but i just think that will is the trigger in this movement)
and you shoud do our movie for us with the actors we want this is all i have to say .

Posted by: cris at March 14, 2003 04:20 PM

I was looking forward to buying this movie. Now I see no reason. Why are they distroying Star Trek???

Posted by: tanda at March 14, 2003 04:23 PM

Wil,
I was very dissapointed in "Nemesis" for many reasons. Of course, not seeing Wesley after all these years was one of them. I was curious if you know what went on in those cut scenes. Specifically, why were you wearing a Starfleet dress uniform? Were we going to see Wesley back at the Academy? Yes, I too am just a geek. "Neverland" looks good! I can't wait!

Posted by: robin lefler at March 14, 2003 04:33 PM

That whole movie bugged me. First off they cut SO much out of the wedding scene they should have just removed it altogether. Secondly they removed so much of the sub plots that it ended up being a movie about four people, with everyone else (barely) supporting the story. They could have done the whole movie with three actors and not lost that much.
The script had potential, but they just screwed it up, and they wonder why startrek is losing popularity.

Posted by: Hal97 at March 14, 2003 04:35 PM

That really blows that they cut you again, man. I had such high hopes for the DVD, too. Ah well, you got your head on straight about it.

Posted by: turtles11 at March 14, 2003 04:36 PM

Zach, I think TPTB stands for "the powers that be".

And add me to the list of those who won't bother buying or even renting "Nemesis" since we can't see any of Wil's scenes. Phooey on them.

Posted by: Shannon at March 14, 2003 04:43 PM

Wil had a scene on Nemesis? (I thought you were taken out of TNG with your 'last' episode in Season 7 when you could goto the 4th dimension...)

Posted by: Xei at March 14, 2003 05:05 PM

not even a special bonus feature?

hope you have a wonderful weekend!

Posted by: telakiniya at March 14, 2003 05:21 PM

Anybody know Rick Bermans email? Maybe if we send him enough "We Want Wesley" emails he'll figure it out... Then again, maybe not.

Posted by: Zani at March 14, 2003 05:28 PM

Sorry for being impatient.
But what scene was Wil in, in Nemesis? Somebody please tell me!

Posted by: Xei at March 14, 2003 05:29 PM

Sorry Wil , but you screwed yourself with the TNG powers that be along time ago . If you had wanted to be in the TNG movies you had to be a * TEAM PLAYER * . You said you were hard to deal with , you wanted to do other things , you asked out .your lucky they asked you do anything now

Posted by: neeky_neeky_foxth at March 14, 2003 06:02 PM

Another reason for buying the DVD goes away...

And the Trek franchise continues to circle the drain.

Posted by: Tony R at March 14, 2003 06:21 PM

LAME!

I was looking forward to them... Although, they'll probably release it and then 6-8 months later release another version with all the extra stuff we wanted, but couldn't wait for in the first release.

Posted by: Jeffery Borchert at March 14, 2003 06:37 PM

I know you’re making peace, Wil, but I just gotta vent.

B&B are like a couple of Pakleds. Ever since DS9‘s fifth season they’ve been carefully steering Trek down the crapper. They try to redeem themselves with new show ideas, each one dumber and less feasible than the last

Meanwhile, they alienate Wil, and Nicholas Meyer’s done barely anything in the last decade. Instead, we get Dax ver2.0 and ADMIRAL Janeway.

Where the hell are my Star Wars toys?...

Oh, right.

Jar Jar.

Posted by: Plaidman at March 14, 2003 06:40 PM

I know most of the folks who read this board are gonna think I'm nuts, but I haven't even bought a DVD player yet. I was considering it for when Nemesis came out on DVD just so I could see Wil's scenes.

Forget about that. The only way I'm buying a Nemesis DVD and a player (for that purpose) is if they release a version that has stamped in big red ink on the front:

"WITH ALL OF WIL'S SCENES! WE'RE IDIOTS AND YOU DESERVE BETTER TREK, BUT THIS IS THE BEST WE GOT. STOP EMAILING US!!!!"

Didn't even go see Nemesis because (a) all the negative comments and (b) they cut Wil.

-Bob

Posted by: BDub at March 14, 2003 06:53 PM

Wil,
I'm watching you on E!'s More Child Stars of the 80s. I always watch these shows to see how pathetic these people are. But you are too adorable. Why didn't they mention WWDN? And I assume that's Ann with you; she's GORGEOUS! You lucked out. Oh, and you're left-handed too.
I should have guessed.

Can't wait for Geek.
Patti

P.S. Willie Aames is freakin' me out man!

Posted by: Patti at March 14, 2003 07:42 PM

I always thought Wesley Crusher was a vital element to the show. When Wesley and Tasha Yar were gone, the show lost a lot of appeal. I was like 12 years old when I started watching it in the early 90s and I thought growing up to be Wesley Crusher was the only reason to exist! Turns out, it is.
:(
Its incredible to read that there are freaks, grown adults, who felt the need to make death threats to "Wesley Crusher"! That is some serious fucking mental disorder they got there. Maybe its cause Wesley got all the chicks (that werewolf princess, for example), and they still don't know what a quantum phase inverter does? I won't even rent Nemesis now. Whats the point? Berman should see a psychiatrist; and I'd only place hope with extensive convulsive shock therapy. "Enterprise" rules for only one reason- Jolene Blaylock. If they lose her, Star Trek is doomed.

Posted by: Steve Ginty at March 14, 2003 07:43 PM

I heard that, too. I was sad, becuase I like Wesley, and I wanted to see his scene. *sigh* Maybe they'll release a special, super-cool edition after this first one, eh? I'm hoping.

Posted by: Beedrill at March 14, 2003 07:46 PM

"Last time we saw him, he was going to leave Starfleet. Years later, he's at a wedding reception in a Starfleet Uniform. Please to explain?"

Good point! Wil accepted that Starfleet was never really for him and left with the Traveller on ST:TNG episode "Journey's End." Showing him later on at a wedding reception in Starfleet uniform is inconsistent and therefore unfavorable.

Posted by: Lore! at March 14, 2003 08:25 PM

Holy frickin NOLLY!!! :( Wil I hope that your feeling the LUV from all of us! Your a cool guy and I am PROUD to be a fan of a wonderful caring real person like you! What does your wife Anne think about it??? btw your wife is a cool chicky and I am sure that you know that eh. ;)

Posted by: artisticspirit at March 14, 2003 08:32 PM

Well damn. I don't know why this doesn;t surprise me.

Farking producers...

That's one Trek flick I *WON'T* be buying.

Eh. It's okay Wil. The movie was bad (putting it mildly), so you really didn't miss much. At least you got to see all of your friends again and spend some good times with them, and in the end, that is all that really counts.

Posted by: WebNuT! at March 14, 2003 09:22 PM

Well dang it. My grandmother is going to be TICKED off. She wanted me to get the DVD so she could see you, specifically, when it came out. Now I have to tell her there will just be that one shot of you. grrrrrr.

Stupid, stupid.

Posted by: Rachel at March 14, 2003 09:23 PM

>I just can't figure out why
>TPTB had Wes in a Starfleet
>uniform when he left the
>fleet years before. Oh
>wait... This is Rick
>Berman's franchise we'e
>talking about. Things aren't
>necessarily supposed to make
>sense.

I don't know, I like the idea that Wesley eventually went back and joined Starfleet. The dumb Traveller thing always seemed a bit, uh, dumb to me.

Here's my fanboy dream of the perfect new Star Trek series:

Star Trek: Titan

It would follow the adventurers of the USS Titan, under the command of Riker. Wesley is the science officer ('natch), and has his coolage Traveler powers to realy make him a interesting character.

Maybe grab O'brian as the chief engineer, for a little bit more in the way of familiar faces. Have at least one episode that features Geordi as a guest character, who gets Wesley's help to build a new body for Data, and then transfer the memories of Data from B4.

Posted by: Zach at March 14, 2003 09:27 PM

Aargh! *so* frustrating! My Trek-geek fiance and I were wondering how Wes got to be at the wedding when he was out cavorting with the Traveler, blah blah blah, and were looking forward to the deleted scenes on the DVD explaining this. Maybe I'm just too much of a geek...

But wait--maybe it'll be on the *special edition* DVD later on... *crosses fingers*

Posted by: dianacook at March 14, 2003 09:31 PM

Just posting in case TPTB are reading this forum. They've just lost another potential buyer of the Nemesis DVD.

I was really looking forward to your deleted scenes, and hell, I was looking forward to a bunch of the other stuff (I heard a lot of good Michael Dorn stuff was cut too but will be on the DVD). I also remembered Logan promising that _all_ the cut footage would be on the DVD. So I'm upset that you're not on it.

If Paramount decides to put out a 2 disk DVD with all the deleted scenes, they may yet recover my money. Until then, I hope they learn a little more about their customers.

Posted by: AntiFreeze at March 14, 2003 09:35 PM

I don't think even Wil scenes could have saved that awful movie...sorry but it wasn't the best I've seen.

Posted by: Matt at March 14, 2003 11:20 PM

"I don't think even Wil scenes could have saved that awful movie...sorry but it wasn't the best I've seen.

Posted by Matt at March 14, 2003 11:20 PM "

No need to apologize there Matt. You're in good company with that comment ;)

Posted by: WebNuT! at March 14, 2003 11:45 PM

Well, at least you get paid, and at the end of the day, that's all that matters.

Personally I am so Star Trekked out I will probably never see another Star Trek program/movie again. Which is a shame because I used to love it.

- Gail

Posted by: Gail at March 14, 2003 11:53 PM

I'm so sad for this. I'm your italian fan and I hoped in your scenes on the dvd! It's incredible!!! Why? I dont' understand! :(

Posted by: Patrizia at March 15, 2003 01:08 AM

I'm not surprised Berman hated the wedding scene.

As others have pointed out, it was about the humanity and the relationship between the Next Gen characters.

Berman doesn't like that; he likes the war scene, the action scenes, the effects.

He doesn't like anything that is part of the actual Trek formula.

I agree, Wil, with others: screw 'em.

Posted by: Mike Harris at March 15, 2003 08:22 AM

Wil if you could answer this (it sucks that there are no Wesley scenes on the DVD we all wanted it)...

Do you think your public posting (which is your right) of conversations with Rick Berman and others is leading to an intentional backlash of not including any of your scenes because they viewed those conversations etc. as private? I wonder if Rick is mad that he was made to look bad (even if he deserved it) and made sure you weren't rewarded with scenes on the DVD? Thoughts?

Posted by: David at March 15, 2003 08:46 AM

Sorry to that Wil. I was kinda of hoping that they would have put those scenes back in for better continuity of the story as well as some scenes that just felt that they were cut.

Of course what I would have wanted as a fan is different from what the execs and others would have wanted.

I liked the movie but I just wish they wouldn't have pulled a Spock death scene with the obivous "Data will be back if the movie sells".

And I wanted to see more Westley like, what the heck has Westley been up to? Ever since he left with the Traveler that has been one of my biggest peeves. Where did he go? What has he seen?

He wasn't a favorite character but I continue to enjoy seeing him in the show when I'm watching re-runs. And I always thought that what happened to his character would have been important to messages of Star Trek about evolution and the human race moving on.

Just my two cents....BTW liked you last PAX movie.

Posted by: Jake Bellew at March 15, 2003 09:09 AM

That really stinks. I was really looking forward to your scene. :-(

I'm glad you are handling it well though.

But it stil STINKS!

Posted by: Sharla (Ladyhawke) at March 15, 2003 09:13 AM

Hey Wil,

You can always look at it this way -- you'll be the LAST TO DIE since you are the YOUNGEST so soon you'll be all TNG has left!!!!

Heehee. Then who will be the kickbutt guest.

Chris

Posted by: Christopher Feyrer at March 15, 2003 09:30 AM

They had to leave the scene out because they were "running out of room"..? Arrgh! My kingdom for one of those original press releases on how DVD technology allowed for up to FOUR HOURS of content on a disc (and how it was so inexpensive that the most a movie would cost was $10)... The hell of it is that you can bet anything that HBO "Making of" special will be on there plus all the trailers and the commercials... Worse yet, it's been announced that the deleted scenes aren't being incorporated back into the movie but include seperately and introduced by Berman. If you lose him running off at the mouth do you think Wil's part would fit then? Sounds more to me that Wesley got bumped for all of that crap, not to retain any other part of the film.

And as far as contacting Berman or the "The Powers That Be" (TPTB, for that guy b4), they seem to be in this contrary mode where they RUN to do the opposite of anything the fans say...so, maybe if we write and say "Thank god you left that part out"?

Wil...I hope you'll look at this the way I do: fornicate the fornicating fornicators!

(And, Christopher...I think the kid who played Alexander is younger...but let's not get morbid here)

Posted by: Robotrix Zero at March 15, 2003 10:32 AM

ALAS!! Oh golly, Wil, the only reason I didn't go to the movies to see Nemesis, other than the fact that I am a college student and therefore poor,can't afford tickets, even for a matinee, shucks, I really, honestly counted on your cut scenes being available in the DVD release. Lesser movies have had lesser actors' scenes available on the DVD. You are just sad? damn Wil, you should be feeling what the rest, or most, of us are feeling: let down, angry, cheated, more more than just "sad." Cause, there's not a whole lot of you to got around anymore on film, do you understand what I'm saying? What on earth do we have to do to make hollywood see what we "little people" see in you? Dude, please, isn't there anything , anything you can do to get your cut scenes placed on the DVD? Can we, as the ww.net folks do something? My guess is no. Who would listen to us if they don't care about you? Life just keeps getting more pathetic. I'll keep hoping some top gun at Paramount will decide Wesley's scene(s) should be on the DVD.

Posted by: Camille at March 15, 2003 10:48 AM

No Wil, No Wes, equals no purchase. I will buy a used copy from Hollywood video, or blockbuster. This way paramount dont get crap from me. SCREW RICK BERMAN!

Posted by: terry at March 15, 2003 11:10 AM

Gr. I'm bitter and annoyed. You were the only reason I was gonna buy the dvd! Stupid TPTB...

Posted by: Jenny Finster at March 15, 2003 11:48 AM

I'm in a play right now with a guy who did a year as a minor recurring character on Deep Space Nine. He said that was the worst job of all the film/TV roles he did while he was in L.A. I wasn't very surprised to hear that.

Posted by: Patrick Connors at March 15, 2003 12:18 PM

I haven't seen the movie and I won't. Partially because of what they did to you (cutting your scenes and not inviting you to the premere(?)) and partially because of what that ass-clown Berman did to the opening of Enterprise. Singing? Has he lost his f'ing mind?

Posted by: Thespar at March 15, 2003 12:59 PM

It seemed to me that Paramount practically raped you! you got your writing and fans who love you! fuck those bigwigs from Paramount!

Posted by: sabrina at March 15, 2003 01:01 PM

Dear Rick Berman,

Fuck you.

Love, Me.

Posted by: Richard McNeal at March 15, 2003 01:14 PM

Even Shatner is saying that there needs to be a creative shakeup at Star Trek and I could not agree with him more.

Up yours Rick

Sean

Posted by: Sean Wardwell at March 15, 2003 02:11 PM

Wil-
Just a geek? No. Never "just"; you're king geek.

Should I clarify I mean that as an endearment rather than an insult? ;)

Posted by: Don at March 15, 2003 02:26 PM

This is not a director's cut. I bet that Paramount will release an extended director's cut edition with all cut scenes during the next 2 years.

Posted by: Spanner19 at March 15, 2003 02:40 PM

That is a bunch of bunk. As a Star Trek fan, I was pissed when you were cut from the theatrical release, and now I am even more pissed. Another fine job by Rick Berman.

There better be a Director's Cut DVD with this scene in it, or I will not be buying Nemesis on DVD at all.

Posted by: Nathaniel at March 15, 2003 03:29 PM

Paramount wonders why Nemesis didn't do so well at the box office. I can speak for myself in saying that I was all excited that I was finally going to see Wesley in a Star Trek movie. I planned on going to the theatre just to see my favorite character played by one of my favorite actors on the big screen, larger than life.But when I learned that he was cut, I thought "Well, I'll just get the DVD. Certainly he'll be in all that extra stuff they put on them." Well now that Wesley is out all together, I'm not buying it either.
In summary, I'm sure that many other people feel the same as I do and the movie probably tanked because WESLEY WASN'T IN IT!

Posted by: Vanessa at March 15, 2003 04:01 PM

it's tough that they didn't restore your scene to the DVD of "NEMESIS"...it might have given a little kick to the sales of the DVD...and with domestic gross stuck at about $43 million the film could use a kick...but thankfully you've got other things to keep you occupied...star trek was a big part of your past...but it doesn't define you...you have much more potential than that...and without the star trek safety net you are free to explore that potential...and this way it will be much more interesting to write about...won't it?

Posted by: d. burr at March 15, 2003 04:25 PM

I think the next Trek movie should focus solely on Wesley Crusher.

Wesley turns evil and uses his traveller powers to form a terrorist organization that threatens the Federation! Picard is the only one who has a chance to bring Evil Wesley to justice!

In a parallel plotline, Picard and Beverly can explore geriatric love.

Call Berman. I want 3% of the gross for my storyline!!

Call me. We'll do lunch.

Posted by: Todd at March 15, 2003 06:16 PM

Bet they wouldn't have cut it if it was was Billy 'fucking' Shatner.

For me Star Trek lost all its soul when Riker took over 'manual' control of the Enterprise using a Quickshot Joystick coming out of a raised dais on the Bridge. One of the films it was, maybe the one with MacDowell and Shatters in it.

Posted by: Koncorde at March 15, 2003 06:52 PM

I am shocked that they didnt use Wesley?? I was kind of hoping we would get to see a cameo like Whoopi?? I am really dismayed with the heirachy. :(

I am sure that Gene would have made sure you got to appear, even if ONLY for 5 mins. Never fear Wil, it ISNT over till the fat lady sings mate. :)

Posted by: Ashley Dawson at March 15, 2003 06:56 PM

"had to pick between a Wesley scene that they really hated, and a Data scene that was tough to cut . . . well, that's not a real tough choice, is it?"

well for any trek fan the choice should be very obvious :) assuming this is the last TNG movie the only right choice would be the Wesley scene. It holds far more symbolic/emotional value than another scene with Data (who I assume appears in a lot of scenes).

but we all know that they only care about $$$ and not about fans.

Posted by: gf at March 15, 2003 07:14 PM

Sad to hear that man, I would have liked to have seen the Wesley cut scenes. But now I will never know. :-(

Posted by: Bionix at March 15, 2003 07:18 PM

bummer about that, wil.
but as a man much wiser than me once said: "Aw, Fuggit."

Posted by: jf zoodsma at March 15, 2003 07:37 PM

I hate to geek out, but I have no adequate words what I feel right now, but the best I can do is invoke some Tamarian:

"My dad, when then Red Sox/Bruins are losing."

(What he usually does is give up watching and shut the TV off in disgust.)

Posted by: Little Guy at March 15, 2003 08:25 PM

I don't think Rick Berman understands the important elements of storytelling within the Trek universe. While the movie contained lots of pretty graphics, loads of action scenes, a fairly good storyline, and very good performances by the cast, it still failed to capture what was great about the series.

I think more effort should have been spent on character building and relationships (that the entire wedding scene would have likely improved upon.) Instead, the whole dune-buggy scene could have been cut and replaced with something simpler. Finding each of the pieces of the android was very anti-climatic, unmysterious, and somewhat tedious to watch.

Here's a suggestion. Put *all* the footage on a set of DVDs and let the fans re-edit it. I've read that there is a fan-edited version of Star Wars Episode 1 floating around the net that has Jar Jar either cut out or voiced-over so he's not so annoying. I've heard that Lucas has seen it and liked it better.

Learn, Berman, learn.

Posted by: briguy at March 15, 2003 10:27 PM

Now if only I could figure out how Star Trek feels about ME . . . . :)

Posted by: Emilia at March 15, 2003 11:39 PM

Sigh. Another example of the studios being out of touch with what Star Trek fans want. I had a free ticket to see Nemesis but had to pass because of work. I didn't pay to see it in the theaters because I've been disappointed with the ST:TNG movies. I figured I'd just wait until the DVD comes out since I was hoping to see Wesley's character back in the movie. Since that won't happen, I guess I'll wait until Nemesis plays on HBO or something. I won't be buying the DVD at all. I guarantee that.

Posted by: Manuel at March 15, 2003 11:42 PM

I'm really sorry about that, I was really annoyed when I heard about it. Your scenes were mine and my friend's favourite!

Holly

Posted by: Holly at March 16, 2003 12:53 AM

Honestly Wil, I thought the character started as a rather annoying whining boy. But you gave that character depth, even though no one apparantly wanted him to have it.
It was useful for other teens that had pressure from different angles:
dealing with lost parents,
having to work for the man responsible for your father dying
having to work with your mother,
being smarter and more capable than most of the adults surrounding you but not being allowed to show it because "you're just a kid,"
going to school and holding a job,
and more

So, if "they" want to cut you off some DVD, well "they" just don't get it. The reason the fans get along with you is because, like Wesley, there was really no bullsh*t involved. You are just you and proud if it.

And we knew you were a geek.

Chris

Posted by: Chris at March 16, 2003 07:09 AM

I just quickly read through about 150+ post on the issue of cut scenes. Something tells me that Paramount is holding something back. The company is not stupid! Think of all the charators, who have cut scenes: Wil, Jonathan, Patrick, Brent, Whoopi and Marina to name a few. It would be economical suicide for them not to use these scenes. I'm of the belief that they are all waiting for the right time! Does the sound of director's cut or special edition say anything people? Just think about Star Wars and all the times that it has been remastered! George isn't rich because he put all his uncut scenes on one DVD!

Fred

Posted by: Frederika27 at March 16, 2003 07:46 AM

Yeah, just wanted to throw my vote in here too. I was gonna buy the DVD for the deleted Wesley scenes, too, but I probably won't buy or even rent the thing now. The sad thing is that I'm not even surprised that this happened, it's like I just expect Berman to screw things up now. :p

Posted by: Annakie at March 16, 2003 08:05 AM

Speaking of fandom and things related, have you ever met up with Eugene Roddenbury (The Great Gene's son, for those unaware)? I met him at a local con back in January, he seemed a pretty cool guy. I think you'd get along real well.

Too bad about the cut. Was kinda nice seeing you in the theatrical release of Nemesis, even if it was only in the background.

Posted by: Brian at March 16, 2003 09:29 AM

WHAT!!!!!THERRE IS NO THRUTH!! THE NEMESIS WILL NOT PLAY IN HUNGARY AND NOW THIS!!&@&{*>˘...etc.
I AM FEEL SOOOOOOOBAD!!!!!:((

Posted by: Agi at March 16, 2003 12:14 PM

The whole POINT of a DVD is deleted scenes! And cutting u in the first place. What's that about. Nemises is supposed to be a generations FINAL JOURNEY, which basically means tell a new story but also wrap up any unfinished major storylines from the 7 year stretch that was TNG.
Wonder if I'll still be alive by the time the director's cut comes out??
I'm sorry for you Wil, but I'm more sorry for the fans.

Posted by: Karina at March 16, 2003 12:52 PM

For what it's worth I noticed you in the wedding scene. Being a huge Wesley Crusher fan it absolutely made my day.

Wesley was my absolute favourite character, he was the first character that I really empathised with when I discovered the Star Trek Universe (I was the same age and a geek in high school) and if it hadn't been for Wesley I never would have become a big a fan as I am today. As far as I am concerned if there isn't a Wesley, it isn't really The Next Gen. I know a lot of other people in Australia feel that way too.

So you know what? Even if they cut your scene, it doesn't matter because you still made a lot of difference to a lot of people. ;)

Eep... I finally got the guts up to post! Go me!

Posted by: Carol Shields at March 16, 2003 02:04 PM

Like most everybody else I had been hoping to see the rest of the Wesley scenes on the DVD when it came out. Hearing that it won't be on there *sucks*. Maybe, as with all silly video/dvd releases, in a couple of years there will the "Special/Collectors" version which will have it.

Personally I'm still seriously p'd that they had Data sacrifice himself for "the 'tard" version. Hello Berman & Logan... remember "All good things?". Dumbkopfs.

Posted by: pinky at March 16, 2003 02:44 PM

Makes you wonder why they cut a check for Wil to turn up for that week of filming, doesn't it?

Wil has the last laugh, he did the work and got paid and they didn't use it, who's stupid now?

Posted by: Zoiderz at March 16, 2003 08:49 PM

PUT THE CLIPS ON WILWHEATON.NET!

Posted by: Magnus at March 17, 2003 02:21 AM

Trek sucks.

Ditto Star Wars.

Shark. Jumped.

Think about it... There were maybe three good seasons of Next Generation. After that? Christ. Junk.

And who are the crazy fuckers who are spending $100 for Deep Space Nine on DVD? Out of all the things you could spend your money on, you're gonna buy THAT?

When did Next Generation end? Ten years ago?

Nemesis was shit (so I hear, I didn't spend dollar one on that train wreck). Berman can spank his creamy load into the gaping mouths of his ever contracting circle of devotees, but the world continues to spin.

Fuck Trek.

Is that book on the way, son?

Here's some fun for no apparent reason, y'all...

http://homepage.mac.com/spudnuts/ass_fucking2.jpg

Posted by: Spudnuts at March 17, 2003 02:47 AM

I could explain the context of that particular JPEG, but you know what?

I'm not gonna.

Posted by: Spudnuts at March 17, 2003 02:48 AM

I saw Nemesis on my flight yesterday. not only was that the worst Trek ever....Wil, you should be glad that you got cut. ugh. thank goodness that's the end of the franchise if that's what they're gonna subject us fans to movie after movie. well, at least I didn't shell out the 5 bucks for the headphones. it's nice that you can just plug in Walkman headphones and listen to the movie for free.

Posted by: Lauren at March 17, 2003 07:10 AM

blah blah...suck up to wil...blah blah...we're just alike you and me...blah blah...suck up to wil...blah blah...you can stay at my house when you're in topeka, dude!...blah blah...

cut scenes from the worst star trek movie since the first one...i'd be happy.

Posted by: sycophant at March 17, 2003 08:14 AM

Dang.

I was seriously going to purchase nemesis when it came out (didn't see it at the theater because they cut your one scene).

Now I may boycott it entirely. (seriously)

This sucks. I wanted to see that scene too.

Posted by: borg389 at March 17, 2003 09:20 AM

NO WIL..NO WESLEY, NO WATCH MOVIE...EVER.

OVER AND OUT.

Posted by: bluecat/redblanket at March 17, 2003 09:37 AM

Well hell! I was wanting to buy the DVD to see those scenes! Oh well...

Posted by: Erica at March 17, 2003 11:43 AM

Thanks for letting us know. That means I can save the money I was planning to spend on the Nemesis DVD and buy the Rush Vapor Trails tour disc when it comes out. Peace.

Posted by: Kat at March 17, 2003 12:57 PM

Never thought I'd ever really consider actually BUYING a 'Trek DVD (that must be akin to an acoloholic admitting to their problem?) But I was actually going to buy the DVD IF you were in it - I had heard many a bad review, so "missed" it in the cinema, but if you're not, it's hardly worth it. Afterall (and no offense) it's a f*cking 'Trek movie, even if it kicked seven shades of ass, it's still just a trek movie, so how good could it really be!
Personally speaking, I think you're better off out of it. Look at James Doohan: he hated being associated so heavily linked with being "Scotty". You at least, have a life outside. (small comfort I'm sure, but if you're ever in any douby just look at better off you are, just look at the hits you get each day and the comments you get on your blogs).... Now if only we were paying visitors.....:)

Posted by: netean at March 17, 2003 01:00 PM

Not that anybody's gonna see this but I'm out of town and just got to a computer today. The airline I flew shows one of 12 different movies a month, depending on the route. Out of the 12, I had seen 2. So what's the movie on my flight? "Star Trek: Nemesis". On the itty bitty screen they have on the plane, you don't even get to see Wil, he's cut off the edge. I managed to sleep through most of the movie, although for some reason I woke up at the Shinzon intro scene and at the end where Picard is telling B4 about Data.

And guess what was showing on my other leg of my trip? A movie Jonathan Frakes directed, "Clockstoppers".

Posted by: loretta652 at March 17, 2003 05:48 PM

TNG WORKED SO VERY WELL

Wil, I'll always think fondly of your work in Trek because I thoroughly enjoyed it and continue to.

In my view, the TNG series was without equal in continuing where TOS left off so many years before and expanding upon it. There was so much substance packed into single eps of TNG that I never found myself looking away to check the time. TNG eps never dragged, at least not for me. I cannot say the same for DS9 or VOY.

DS9 worked a story arc very well but wasn't much for solid standalone eps like TNG. I could get into DS9 but my heart was always back on the Enterprise. I felt that Trek slipped off after TNG left at the end of the seventh season and slipped even further when DS9 followed. VOY, try as it might, just could not fill the void for me.

More than a few VOY eps seemed to just be filling space with little story to tell. That's when you start thinking damn what time is it and how long have I been watching this already? I never felt like that watching TNG and I think that's telling of how far things have truly fallen off in terms of creativity.

From VOY forward Trek has seemed to be little more than out there for the sake of being out there and not for its quality. Frankly, I think many of Trek's best tales have been told and lame attempts at re-telling some old stories as VOY seemed to do at times only made me want TNG back that much more.

Can Trek go forth and prosper from here? Sure it can but it'll have to do something radical and fulfilling for hardcore fans and non-fans alike. The present creative minds just don't have it in them to bring such a Trek to fruition and are perhaps to self absorbed to not only get the right help but to allow that help to flourish and reinvigorate a Trek that has become stagnant.

Posted by: Primordial Ooze at March 17, 2003 07:30 PM

It's really sad to see the Star Trek Franchise go down that same distructive path that The Crow franchise is heading. And we all have TPTB to thank for that! A big let down to know the dvd will not feature Wil's cut scenes. At least the director has more control over this dvd.
Those of you who are crow fans should check out Alex's official site - We will never get our directors commetary - or any more special features - because TPTB are screwing with us. It's not fair

Posted by: Eternity at March 17, 2003 10:02 PM

I am a Geek too and posted this on my website. Agree if you like ... or not. I am a bigger SW fan than ST, but I like them both. I also used to work for Paramount Pictures.

"I thought Nemesis SUCKED!!!!! Wil Wheaton (He played Wesley on the show) was upset that his parts of the film were cut. I think he should be thankful. If you don't want to know about the film, then please don't read below ... but it was so bad that I have to vent for a paragraph or so!

This movie had a few laughs in the beginning and then started to drag on. Finally, a touch of action and clever camera work came into play ... and ended just as abruptly. That was entertaining, but it served no real purpose to the story. Romulans from Romulus have a sister hidden culture called ... you guessed it, ... Remans from the moon Remus (Roman Mythology References). They want to start a war with the Federation by attacking ... again you guessed it, ... Earth. They are led by a bald headed younger human clone of Captain Jean-Luc Picard, called Praetor Shinzon. (The word praetor indicates the man who 'goes before the others'. Roman magistrate, responsible for the administration of justice. And Shinzon is an old Chinese name.) He led the Enterprise right to him with a retarded duplicate of Data (which based on the movie or shows can't be explained) named B-4. Shinzon wants to capture Picard for his blood and then destroy the Earth so that he can take over the Federation. As was implied by Riker in the film, basically without humans, the Federation will fall.

Now, in all fairness. People no longer have the right to bag on Lucas for Ep 1 or 2 after seeing this film. With the exception of the Death Star, Lucas created original names for the planets he presented us. He also gave a good reason as to why an entire species would follow a human leader instead of one of their own (sith have powers ...). After the popularity of R2 & 3PO, was B-4 the best Paramount could think up without infringing on copyrights? And even after the Star Wars Clone war with the Fetts and Dr Evil's bald clone Mini-Me, Star Trek has to come along and hop on the band wagon. Troi now can use the Force to find invisible sheilded people in space, when before she could only sense emotions? Trolls/Orcs are doing well for Lord of the Rings, lets use them here too. Since we are now borrowing, lets take what worked for the other ST films and reuse them also: Officer/Emotionless Friend gives life for Captain at the end, but is reborn again; Give cameo parts to name actors, but not let them do anything useful; Crash the Enterprise again, Warbirds can't survive one attack, but the Enterprise lingers on for 5-10; etc ...

Nemesis? This was a bad case of wanna-be sibbling rivalry. Khan is Kirk's Nemesis and vise-versa. Nemesis: An opponent that cannot be beaten or overcome. (Nemesis in Greek Mythology: The goddess of retributive justice or vengeance.) Meeting someone for the first time and dealing with them for a couple of hours does not make one a nemesis. This would have been a good show on TV for free, but as an $8 2.5 hour film, ... I don't think so. This was the final story? That was it? Well, after seeing it, I honestly believe they are truly out of ideas and I am now thankfully glad that this was the last film. "

Posted by: AppleJedi at March 17, 2003 10:40 PM

The only thing I really, really want to know about the appearance of Wesley at the wedding is what happened to him after he went off with the Traveler? And why's he there in Starfleet uniform? Didn't he leave? So many questions...

Nemesis wasn't very good anyway, so Wil, I wouldn't be that upset about not being in the DVD anyway. But then you aren't, so that's okay :-)

Posted by: MaW at March 18, 2003 02:10 PM

i seriously cant beleive they cut your scenes out. it seems that TPTB are gonna lose a lot of money by doing that.

i know im not gonna buy the dvd now which is a shame coz i was looking forward to seeing the movie. if they put your scenes on the directors cut then i might just buy it.

everyones right, screw 'em
you dont need them.

personally i love st.v.

Posted by: ellie at March 20, 2003 04:08 AM

Of course it is sad to realize ST already HAS run out of ideas for a huge while (that is at least since TNG finished). DSN was a lame attempt to bring up some news by introducing some new species from no matter where (but almost each of them of course walking on two legs and having two arms), VOY was the confession that the idea of a non-starship-based SF series did not work out as expected, both of them did not do much more than what even TNG sometimes already did: recycle stories with a (not always) better stage design and "up-2-date" computer stuff. And while the TV shows, at least the major part, were quite acceptable and sometimes really great, i never liked the movies, neither the Kirk&Spock ones nor those with the TNG crew - the only exception was "first contact".

But anyway: Why complain? We should not forget the basic idea is far over 30 years old! What plot could be that has not yet been told? Of course: a lot, but everything really breaking would automatically be beyond the final frontiers of the ST universe. On the other hand, even Dallas made it through 13(!) seasons - exclusively situated in Texas and around oil tales. Just what was their secret?!

Posted by: David at March 20, 2003 03:48 PM

Well that stinks. The only reason I was going to buy the DVD of the really lame movie was to see the Wesley scenes. Forget it now. BTW, I've always felt like you and my son grew up together. Next Generation was never missed by any of our family and you and Mike are pretty close to the same age.
Cheryl

Posted by: Cheryl at March 20, 2003 06:48 PM

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