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November 05, 2003

penguicon! Sandman! GEnie!

Several people have e-mailed me this, which was in Neil Gaiman's journal this morning:


I'm going to be a guest at Penguincon next year, mostly because it struck me as something fun I could drag my son Mike to that he'd enjoy as much as, or more than, I would, and because Terry Pratchett had a great time last year. It won't be a usual SF convention, and the guests include lots of people I'm looking forward to meeting in the flesh, like the Slashdot people, and Wil Wheaton, who long before he was an uberblogger I knew of as The Guy Who Started the Sandman Discussion On Genie...

It blows my mind that he's looking forward to meeting me. Neil Gaiman's been transformed from A Guy Whose Work I Really Love into A Guy Who Has Inspired Me And Made Me Want To Be A Better Writer, so I'll be working extra hard to not be a complete geek when I'm there.

I love that he mentioned GEnie! That was my first ever Internet experience, in the old SF Roundtable.

The first time I logged on, I was sitting at a menu prompt, and I kept getting messages from people welcoming me to GEnie. I had no idea how the system worked, so I just typed (In all caps, of course) at the menu prompt. It looked something like this:


menu.prompt>HI THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO ANYTHING HERE. WHERE CAN I GO?

menu.prompt> Error! You didn't use a command!

menu.prompt>IT TOLD ME I DIDN'T USE A COMMAND. WHAT SHOULD I DO?

menu.prompt> Error! You didn't use a command!

It went on and on like that until I ended up in the GEnie version of irc, where I learned that typing in all caps wasn't cool like War Games, but was totally lame, like Short Circuit.

When I was using GEnie, I was the biggest Sandman fanboy on earth. I even created a character in GEnie's MUD-like thing called "Morpheus," who I described as "a tall thin man with black hair, pale skin, and piercing black eyes. You think you've seen him in a Dream."

Man, just the mention of GEnie brings back a flood of memories. I spent hundreds of hours on GEnie over the years, at speeds up to 2400 baud. I bet an archive of my sf roundtable discussions would be really horrifying to me, because I was at the hight of my teenage lameness then. I don't think I ever spoke in AOL kiddie-speak, but my idiocy and ignorance about everything in the world really shone through.

Posted by wil at November 5, 2003 08:49 AM
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It's nice to do things 4 the first time, you know, anyway, good morning Wil, here it's almost 17.53 and I watch Star Trek Classic, really lol. Have a nice day!! Chris

Posted by: Chris at November 5, 2003 08:54 AM

GEnie... I remember GEnie. :)

I actually downloaded my first copy of Linux (30+ floppies) from GEnie. Ow. The GEnie bill was mucho large that month. :)

Posted by: Mike K. at November 5, 2003 09:00 AM

I met Neil Gaiman not too long ago. He was very very very nice and witty. Even after 5 hours of book signing.

He told me that I had fabulous hair.

It was fantastic.

Posted by: jacqueline at November 5, 2003 09:08 AM

I LOVE The Sandman Comic series. I can't deside which is my favorite sibling, but Delirium is pretty cool, I kind of made a charactor similar to her a while back. In fact Delirum is inspried by Tori Amos, another love of my love ::le sigh:: That is so rad that your going to get to meet him and that he mentioned it. I hope you have a blast and take losts of pics and stuff! !

p.s. forgive spelling I just woke up and am heading out the door to work!

Posted by: Vickie at November 5, 2003 09:16 AM

Sometimes I wish I had access to the "old internet" still... I spent my formative years on QuantumLink at speeds of up to 1200 baud.

Ah, those were the days. :)

Posted by: Clay at November 5, 2003 09:17 AM

I remember those days. The excitement that surged through my veins when I witness a visible increase in scrolling rates after moving from a 300 baud coupler to a 1200 speed demon.

The awe of feeling that this is exactly what Matthew Broderick felt like in War Games, when he broke into the Whopper (Mainframe done your way). All I was doing was chatting with other dweebazoids. 2400 baud modems came packaged with braggin rights in those days.

Memories of the golden age before the internet. Baud Town, Club Playhouse, the Annex, CompuServe. Ahh, life was simple back then.

Posted by: Eric B at November 5, 2003 09:30 AM

ahh yes, unfortunately i am a shade young to have ever gotten some 'good ole days' stories from my

Posted by: popa at November 5, 2003 09:48 AM

oh and one more thing, rock on wil!!!!

http://www.poserxxl.com/slayer.gif

Posted by: popa at November 5, 2003 09:49 AM

You're really going to like meeting Neil. He's so sweet and personable and so very kind.

I met him on the American Gods tour a couple years ago, and was thrilled, but what really bowled me over was the way he treated my kids. He told them how happy he was that they had come so far to meet him and how glad he was that they liked his work - and he *meant* it.

They've all but built a shrine around their signed copy of The Day I Swapped My Dad For Two Goldfish.

Posted by: Missy at November 5, 2003 10:01 AM

I miss Genie, too. Wil, remember that what you think of as your geekiness is usually perceived as enthusiastic friendliness, and that's always welcome.

Posted by: Karen W. at November 5, 2003 10:01 AM

Ahh yes, the smell of the plastic as you open up that brand new 1200 baud modem... the thrill and excitement of installing it, and then the drivers without some unknown "plug and play" thing... The Thrill of starting up your Lcom and signing on and seeing the BBS log in screen fly by at what was then the fastest speed possible... Sitting in the chat room and actually not having to wait for your words to finish uploading so you can check your spelling. LOL... No such thing as the world wide web, just an very unused internet to shell to and local BBS users to play Trade Wars and Crossroads with.

Ahh the good 'ol days.

Posted by: Rainmaker at November 5, 2003 10:03 AM

I understand oh-so-well those geeky fan moments: "Oh my fuggin' God, so-and-so wants to talk to *me*?"

Just think, Wil: one day someone will say the same of you. Could be the very next time you go sign autographs, even. :)

Posted by: Elissa at November 5, 2003 10:03 AM

Screw GEnie. CompuServe was what it was all about baby! I was 5 years old and flying high on a 300 bps modem on my Atari 2600 XL. I can remember downloading Groilers encyclopedia articles so slowly that I was reading ahead of them as they came, and thinking to myself, "Why would someone ever want a 2400 bps modem? The articles would come in too fast to read!"

Posted by: Heath at November 5, 2003 10:10 AM

Well, your blog is just one degree of separation from his. There's a link to both his blog and Elaine Riggs' blog on Peter David's blog, and Elaine also links to you and Neil. In fact I found your blog through hers, I think.

Posted by: Rachel Kadushin at November 5, 2003 10:11 AM

I don't think I'd want to revisit my first internet conversations either. Especially that time where I thought chat rooms and message boards were the same thing. Then I got confused when nobody was talking to me on message boards.
...
Did I just admit that? Oh well.

Posted by: Jenny M. Finster at November 5, 2003 10:12 AM

I'm the webmaster for Penguicon, Wil. Thanks for mentioning us. See you in April!

Posted by: David R. Campbell at November 5, 2003 10:20 AM

I can actually recall coming home from the (now non-existent) Devonshire Downs Comp-Swap, where rows and rows of Asian vendors were pawning their high quality "Imported from China" wares on unsuspecting nerd folk. It used to get so crowded, you could barely move. I used to call the real (hard-core) uber nerds, Deodorant Right Activists.

I came home with a brand new Zytel 1200 baud modem. "Same as Zoom brand, 15 dollar cheaper!" $179.00 (Zoom was over $200). I remember that every time I turned that peice of shit on, I smelled silicone cooking. At first, I thought to myself, maybe this isn't a good thing, and finally came to my senses when I realized that smoking silicone is a small price to pay for blinding modem speed.


Posted by: Eric B at November 5, 2003 10:50 AM

I think we would all be embarrassed by archives of our first forays into the internet community. I didn't use aol-speak or abuse the capslock key, but...yeah, well. It's embarrassing.

Posted by: Tinderblast at November 5, 2003 11:02 AM

Gosh Wil, now you've got me all nostalgic for GEnie, too. Not SF though, it was Disney Roundtable for me back then.

GEnie wasn't our first, though. We did some local BBSs and Q-Link first.

Ah, nostalgia. ;)

Posted by: Chriswife :) at November 5, 2003 11:37 AM

Gaiman's a great guy who wrote me a very encouraging e-mail about my blog. In return, I've ripped off his style and hope to be able to write with just a fraction of his ability. One day. If I'm lucky.

Posted by: Scaryduck at November 5, 2003 12:14 PM

Hey,

Short circuit was a GREAT movie!!!

Posted by: Scott Van Essen at November 5, 2003 12:31 PM

Oh, great Ghu. GEnie. My first online home.

Believe it or not Wil, I not only remember you showing up on GEnie a few times, I remember you in the RTCs a few times. 'sokay. I was a fanboyish geek thrown into the middle of pros myself...

Just for the record, though, you can sleep easy about having any of those posts show up on the net. I was a staff volunteer for a few years, and you didn't have any "special archive files". Many an obnoxious pro (and a few fans that became pros) on the other hand....

There was the one female pro who was a bit chagrinned that you kept calling her "chick", though :^

Posted by: Mark at November 5, 2003 12:35 PM

GEnie was nice, but I remember those 1200 baud days on the Star Trek forum on CompuServe. Sigh...

(BTW, I'm the ConChair for Penguicon - and we DO have some folks that are looking forward to meeting you like you are to meeting Neil. )

Posted by: Steve Gutterman at November 5, 2003 01:01 PM

Ahhh, good times...good times....

Posted by: bman at November 5, 2003 01:09 PM

These people are not lying. Mr Gaiman is a gentleman and a scholar... he also does a damned funny impression of William Shatner. I met him in Charlotte last month. The plan was that I would interview him for JIVE magazine (http://www.jivemagazine.com) before his reading that night, but the man was dreadfully sick with something three steps above a sore throat. So the interview was cancelled. Instead, we sat and he had two cups of piping hot tea while talking about nothing.

Class, I tell you. Absolute class.

Posted by: Thomas at November 5, 2003 01:22 PM

Hehe. I remember GEnie. And I remember when you were on GEnie, sort of. I remember when I found out you were on, I sent you an email to pester you with script ideas (I was a teenager then too), and got back the canned 'leave him alone' response from the admins. So if you were lame, I was lamer. Sorry 'bout that a decade late.

I remember subscribing to GEnie because of some game. Can't remember the name, wasn't Morpheus, it was a sci-fi mud, and included some 'galatic trader' type mini-game among other things. It was pretty cool for its time I guess.

Posted by: Erik Muldowney at November 5, 2003 02:24 PM

i would wet my pants with excitement if neil gaiman said that about me. (i would probably wet my pants if neil gaiman even looked in my general direction.) that is so awesome.

Posted by: lauren at November 5, 2003 02:28 PM

Short Circuit was the shit Wil. As was War Games.

Posted by: xerofilter at November 5, 2003 03:07 PM

don't be so hard on yourself!...you have have to live through your own idiocy and ignorance before you can get to the place you are cool and informed...otherwise you would be too scared to ask the questions...or ever learn to express yourself in an intellegent way...i think whatever you did in those youthful days turned out to be great preparation for the cool and wise man you have become.

Posted by: d. burr at November 5, 2003 04:54 PM

I am even now trying to calculate whether my husband and I have a prayer of affording a trip up to Michigan next spring...

Posted by: Shannon S at November 5, 2003 05:20 PM

I completely envy you. If you meet Neil and/or Terry, you HAVE to show us pictures. Two of my favorite writers.

Posted by: Nun Uv Yurbiznatch at November 5, 2003 07:10 PM

Don't be too surprised that he'd like to meet you. I think everyone who read your site regularly would like to meet you.

Posted by: Lisa at November 5, 2003 08:17 PM

Ooh Ooh, read "Good Omens" when you get the chance. Both Gaiman AND Pratchett wrote it. Also, my sis told me just the other night that they made a Brit miniseries out of "Neverwhere." I'm gonna try and rent it when I have the time.

Posted by: Nun Uv Yurbizsnatch at November 5, 2003 09:30 PM

My God, I think I might possibly pee myself a little if I ever read in Neil Gaiman’s journal that he was looking forward to meeting me. Just as well it was you having a drier, if no less enthused, reaction... Congrats at having the respect of an amazing man - and enjoy your inevitable chat with him in April, you lucky dog!

Posted by: Tracy at November 5, 2003 10:33 PM

If you hung out in the SFRT (either 1 or 4), you must have known my husband, Nic - he was sysop there for a good ten years.

Always a blast to see GeNie remembered.

Posted by: Deborah Grabien at November 5, 2003 11:24 PM

Not to sound like to big of a nub but sweet zombie jesus!!! Gaiman's nothing short of a god. How did you avoid a full blown coronary? You know,before this post you were my geek equal(excluding the whole "trek" thing, lol) but now, you sir, are my geek GOD.

Posted by: Dan at November 6, 2003 12:56 AM

Rachel's right (except she misspelled my name). You and Neil are the two people whose journals inspired me to start one of my own (if you look at Blogtree you're both listed as my blog's progenitors) so it's only fitting that y'all finally meet. Never did GEnie, myself, I was a CompuServe (Comics and Animation Forum) person...

Posted by: Elayne Riggs at November 6, 2003 04:23 AM

Don't worry about Neil Gaiman, by most authorities he's a bit of a closet geek himself, no worries there.

Posted by: Corinne at November 6, 2003 05:17 AM

Hey! Much as I like Neil Gaiman, Short Circuit /was/ cool!

Posted by: BZArcher at November 6, 2003 05:56 AM

I don't know what your quoting or linking rules are so I'm just covering myself with this post.

I have linked to your website in my livejournal. You're welcome to read or ignore as you please.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/alem/228099.html

If you object to me quoting or linking your site, please let me know.

Thanks.

Posted by: Allison at November 6, 2003 06:14 AM

Wil, a word to the wise on the geek-out factor when you meet Neil: go for it. Get it out of the way right off the bat. Just tell him, "Neil, I'm going be a slobbering fanboy for about a minute here, then we can talk like human beings."

The tactic has worked for me with a couple of comic book artists and Trace Beaulieu from MST3K. Had great conversations with all of them, and even ended up singing karaoke with my favorite artist of all time, George Perez!

Posted by: Jack Scheer at November 6, 2003 06:51 AM

Somewhere at home I still have my big GEnie poster. Not sure if I ever used the service, but I know exactly where I have the floppies.

Posted by: Josh Sucher at November 6, 2003 08:36 AM

Ah...GEnie! It does bring back memories. I don't recall bumping into yourself, or Mr. Gaiman (though I do recall seeing many other 'industry' types: Peter David, Michael Stackpole, Aaron Alston jump to mind). While I did visit the SFRT on occasion, I was more freqently found in the TSR RT (page 125??), and Chat*Lines (page 400??) (I was staff in both areas for a few years). Ah, the joys of Aladdin and TurboTerm.

Was the game you played Morpheus in called 'Gemstone'? That's the most popular game that pops into mind. Someone else mentioned the 'Trader' style game which I think was called 'Federation II' or something.

Paul
formerly: GEnie's Stoneson

Posted by: Paul at November 6, 2003 10:33 AM

Like WOW, too cool to be remembered for Genie!

I am way looking forward to meeting you at Penguicon.....I will be the Token Hot Middle Aged Babe.

:)Francine

Posted by: Francine at November 6, 2003 10:35 AM

I still miss Genie. The level of conversation there was far above what shows up on a lot of other forums. And to this day I've never found a better place to discuss SF...

Somewhere among the piles of old discs I have, there are collections/logs of old conversations. I should dig through them sometime, just to find all the dumb stuff I said...

dt

Posted by: Dave Thomas at November 6, 2003 03:00 PM

Ahh..I love dredging up old online memories. :D GEnie, Delphi, Prodigy, and my personal favorite, good old Q-Link. I could sit around for hours thinking about those good old days. :D

Posted by: UsYr Illus at November 9, 2003 09:40 AM

That's so cute! I'm active at this gaming site called Avidgamers and we have people every day who aren't quite sure what they're supposed to do, write in all caps, and unfortunately... use chatspeak, strange abbreviations, etc.

Posted by: Hel at November 9, 2003 11:59 AM

I've been reading your blog for eons, but this is what finally inspired me to say something. :) GEnie was my first online experience, back in college ... I remember clearly the first time I ran across "WILWHEATON" somewhere on the SFRT (it was probably Neil's topic, come to think of it), and I thought "wow, this is so cool, Wil Wheaton actually hangs out here with the unwashed masses!" :) Not to mention it was rather validating to know someone else my age was out there on the boards. Sometimes I felt so young in the SFRT!

Posted by: Meredith at November 10, 2003 09:00 PM

I remember spending a lot of time on
GEnie in the forums, particularly the ST:TNG forum. I remember your tirade after Gene R. died.

I probably still have transcripts, printed out on dot-matrix paper, stashed in a box... somewhere.

Posted by: Jeff at November 12, 2003 02:28 PM

*sighs* GEnie was great - I miss it so! The RT discussions, the slow languishing script of the modem, staying up until dawn because of friends on the West Coast since 'email' wasn't quite there yet.

Gemstone was a terrific game! I've lost track of our old crew: Carroam, Gio, Aerielle, and myself... but we had fun. *sighs*

Thank you for bringing the memory!

Posted by: Nemiko at December 12, 2003 12:27 AM

TurboTerm!!! Wow. What a blast from the past. That's the program that when in chat mode (split screen even...) would do a /who lookup on anyone entering the channel. Remember the Trivia game? "Just /sen 38 Your Answer" Some dope would always screw it up and blurt the answer out for everyone.
God! Remember "Job Numbers" I've gotta have a drink and push all this now useless information back into the recesses of my brain once again.

[Brontosaur] Has Left

-MB

Posted by: Mike Bruni at January 26, 2004 05:12 PM

GemStone 2 on GEnie at 1200 baud ... Ach, those were the days! What a nice flashback the initial piece (thanks, Wil) and all the comments were.

~Sysmom, aka "Luxelle" et. al. in GemStone

Posted by: deb at February 8, 2004 03:04 PM

I'm not sure if anyone is reading this board anymore, but I was a former GEnie member too. . I noted Paul Stoneson's name above and just wanted to give a shout out! If anyone remembers me from the GEnie days, please drop me an email at AuroraMirage@hotmail.com.

Posted by: Wendy at September 24, 2004 01:56 PM
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