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April 15, 2005

kid, you've paid your dues

So there are these Star Wars fans Übernerds who are lining up in front of Grauman's for the premiere of "Revenge of the Sith" in a couple of months.

The only problem is, "Return of the Sith" isn't going to screen at Graumans. For reasons that are best left to the shadowy corners of The Film Distribution World, it will be playing at the Arclight, which is about a half-mile away. (The Arclight, by the way, is the best theater in Los Angeles. Nobody else even comes close.)

When they found out about this unfortunate turn of events, the Star Wars Nerds naturally packed up their stuff, and walked down the block to Arclight.

Except they didn't.

They're keeping the line right where it is . . . as a self-described act of protest.

Before I go any further, I'd like to make something crystal clear: Camping out for a couple of months before the opening of a movie is a little weird . . . but essentially cool. That kind of passion is what makes it so much fun to be a Nerd. But camping out at the wrong theater and refusing to move in protest is hilarious, and it's what makes it embarrassing to be a Nerd.

We've been covering this story pretty heavily over at blogging.la. In fact, my friend Sean was the very first person to break this dramatic story, long before the rest of the media got on board:

Since I know everyone is dying to find out what's going on with the Star Wars line I've taken it upon myself to read through the entire thread at liningup.net as well as call them several times now and here's the facts of the moment:
  1. The Star Wars line is still outside of Graumans.
  2. Graumans has confirmed that Star Wars will not be playing at Graumans.
  3. Arclight has confirmed that Star Wars will be playing at Arclight.
  4. The Star Wars line is pissed because they think Star Wars should be at Graumans, not at Arclight, so they are not moving the line in protest.

I thought that was so hilarious (see my points, above) that I left a comment on that entry, using the dreaded phrase, "Get A Life."

Oops. Turns out some of The Star Wars Nerds have no sense of humor about themselves. I got some upset e-mail, and while I composed a reply, the saga continued to unfold:

OK, who would have guessed that in the very small group of people who are willing to line up months in advance of a movie to get tickets, in front of a theater where the movie isn't going to be playing, there would be room for cliques and infighting between the popular super nerds and the unpopular super nerds? I wouldn't. And I would have been wrong. A post in this thread by "certified instigator" has just confirmed the existence of said infighting. Read on...

"No one is talking about leaving the line. The popular clique has flat out refused to be open minded about where we see the movie as a group. They insist that no matter what we - as a group - decide they will not see it it at the Arclight.

They make it very clear here on the boards and in line. That splitting up the group is better than seeing the movie at a theater the popular clique doesn't like.

Many people I've spoken to are willing to see it at a theater they don't prefer in order to keep the group together. But they are less popular and way less vocal."

OMFG.

OK, so some waiters in line want to keep the line together no matter what theater it's shown at, and other linesters don't give a crap about the line and only care what theater they see it at - and this is shaking the foundation of the line to it's core. TO IT'S CORE!

There were cliques in the line? There's a popular clique, which implies that there are unpopular Nerds who are lining up at the wrong theater?! This new information took an already hilarious story and exploded it into the surreal realm of Terry Gilliam-esque humor. I couldn't help myself, and I posted that they should have taken my advice (about getting a life, I mean.).

My little quip ended up pouring even more gasoline on what was now a full-blown Nerd War between the Nerds at Blogging.la, and the Star Wars Nerds. The upset e-mail I'd received was followed-up with some honest-to-goodness hate mail, so I tried to smooth things over with an open letter of my own:

Dear Star Wars Line,

I'm really sorry that you're so offended. I was just playing around. I learned a long time ago that I have to be able to laugh at myself. (I'm the guy who had not one, but *two* newsgroups dedicated to hating him, remember?) I think it's awesome that you guys are raising money for charity, but I hope you can see the humor in a bunch of people waiting in line at the wrong theatre, refusing to move to the theatre a couple of blocks away that *is* showing the movie. And framing it as an act of protest . . . well, that's really funny. Movies are not the sort of thing that one generally associates with protests. Civil rights? Sure. Anti-war? Sure. Clean up this toxic waste dump? Sure.

But we're not moving until you put the movie here? We're not moving in protest? And look at the drama surrounding the whole thing: There are "cliques" of people, and "cool kids" and "factions" waiting in line at the wrong theatre, refusing to move in protest? And the self-righteous indignation? If you can't see the humor in this, you're really missing out.

[. . .]

Again, I am truly sorry that you and other lining-up-ers are so offended . . . but I wish you could see the humor, also. I didn't intend to put you all down. I'm sure you're all great people who believe they're doing the right thing for the children. I was just enjoying the absurdity and humor.

I sincerely hope that you all enjoy your time in line, and I hope that the final movie doesn't suck as much as Episode One.

May The Force be with you,

Wil

As an olive branch, Sean and I designed some T-Shirts for the Star Wars Nerds, so they'd have something to pass down to their own children, years from now: lovelyshirts.jpg

Sadly, our peace offering was viewed as further ridicule, and I got yet another angry e-mail.

Heartbroken that the Star Wars Nerds were more interested in feeling persecuted and righteously indignant, and saddened that they just couldn't see the humor in the whole thing, I vowed to just let it go.

And I did, until yesterday, when my favorite secret Ninja, Jessica Mae Stover asked me if I wanted to go with her to take pizza to the Star Wars Nerds, who still inexplicably refuse to move to a theatre where they'll actually be able to see the movie:

Hey WW,

I’m going to visit the Star Wars nerds on Thursday evening-ish.
Link: http://www.jessicastover.com/blog.php?id=275

You should come along and bring your family. Pop culture history and such,
not to mention excellent material for blog writing.

I mean, seriously, they need our help.

And pizza.

Plus, you'll probably be their king or something.

I replied, "You know the Star Wars nerds hate my guts, right?"

She did not, but after reviewing the entire turgid story, we agreed that it would probably be best if she went without me.

When she blogged about her self-described "Nerd Outreach", I broke my vow of silence, and wrote an entry about it at blogging.la:

Jessica (the cutest ninja who will ever kick your ass) has updated her site:
Jessica: Do you hate them because of something Wil Wheaton wrote?
Female Nerd: Yes! I used to stick up for him to all these guys, then he went and, and…
Jessica: I read the column. It was only a bit of loving mockery. He’s a nerd. He’s allowed.
Female Nerd: I even asked him to come down here, to meet me face to face and he wouldn’t do it.
Jessica: Were you going to challenge him to a duel or something?
Female Nerd: It’s not just that. It’s the shirts they made and everything… I mean, Argh!

[. . .]

Maybe I should have offered a duel, or a The Force Off, or a Pod Race, or something like that. I'm pretty crushed, but I'm getting therapy, and I should be in a good emotional space right around the time the movie opens at the Arclight.


It's too bad that the Star Wars Nerds — who are in line at the wrong theater and refusing to move in protest — are unable or unwilling see the humor in the whole situation. Until their Alpha Nerd decided that it was more important to be persecuted and self-righteous, and wouldn't accept my apology, I actually felt bad for offending them. Now? Not so much. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that the average WWdN reader has a good sense of humor, and you should take a couple of minutes to go read my last post on the subject at blogging.la. Jessica's entry (linked in my b.la post) is one of the funniest things I've read on the Internets in a long, long time.

Posted by wil at April 15, 2005 12:31 PM
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Comments

Whoa, first? Cool.

Geez Wil, it's pretty bad when the nerds start getting uppity.

And what's with the blogging.la folk, they seem to have had a humorectomy or something.

Oh, and come to the East coast some day.

Posted by: Tim [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 12:45 PM

Cap'n, the Nerds are revolting!

Yes, and their fashion sense needs work, too.

Maybe we should all go and visit the Nerds, and bring flower in memorial to their chances of actually seeing Sith at Midnight? Or make them all hold hands and sing Klaatu, Baratta, Nicto?

No, honey, don't poke the Nerds, they get angry and have feelings, too.

Posted by: Einan78 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 12:49 PM


You'd better watch it, Wil.

Those pink, telescoping light-sabers sure can leave a welt.


ps-- I'm hoping that Triumph makes an appearance on the line.

--AJ @ Ova

Posted by: AJ [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 01:06 PM

Hilarious!! And you're right. If we nerds can't laugh at ourselves, what have we got left? Nothing but a pair of pointy ears and a light sabre.

Anyway, they need to lighten up and realize how insane this all is. As for me, I'm going to go sit in front of my local Starbucks and demand they serve Dunkin Donuts coolattas.

Posted by: allie [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 01:18 PM

I may get my Canadian butt kicked for saying this but I'd agree with your get a life theory! These people need to get jobs and get off the sidewalk! I love Star Wars but two months of my life isn't going to be wasted sitting on the street waiting at the wrong theatre.

Posted by: 1cutebird [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 01:22 PM

Well, I wouldn't give them a bad time just because they're waiting in line so far in advance of the release. I think that's actually pretty cool, and I understand that they've worked out a system of signing in and out for the people who have to go to their jobs, familes, etc. I guess their position in the line is ultimately based on how long they actually wait there in line.

I wouldn't tell them to get a life just because they're lining up. It sounds like it's a fun social event for many of them. That's cool.

I told them to get a life because, not only are they waiting at the wrong theatre, but they're so hardcore about it.

The fact that the Alpha Nerd just hates my guts so bad for finding humor in their Nerdliness sort of validates my point, doesn't it?

Posted by: Wil [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 01:27 PM

I honestly can't comment on this because I am laughing too hard...

Seriously, I've been sitting here for 5 minutes trying to think of something and I just... can't... stop... laughing...

...Man, 10 minutes later and I'm still laughing...

OMG, this is so funny... and yes, I'm still laughing. :)-

Posted by: Brandi [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 01:28 PM

If they have this sign-in sign-out policy then it doesn't really matter if they are at the right cinema or not. It's just a matter of walking round the corner once the media has died down or the alpha nerd backs down.
Anyway, it was pretty hilarious read!
ttfn,
P.

Posted by: Paul_B [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 01:33 PM

Ok, ok, Wil, first off, my name is Matt. This is my first time post on your site so far as I can remember. I liked Star wars and I always used to take some sort of solace in the fact that while I was an relatively uber Star Wars geek (Seen the original tril 89 times apiece, never dressed up like a Sith Lord for a movie premier), at least I was never a Star Trek geek. I used to think "Star Trek geeks are waaaaaaaayyy worse than Star Wars geeks, what with their phasers and near obsession with an imaginary language (Klingonian). I mean, hell Star Wars people don't hold conventions to meet the guy Darth Vader strangled before the Battle of Hoth, Right? Today however, that image was shattered. Today, you proved me wrong. Star Wars geeks are as bad if not WORSE than the Trekkies. I'm so alooooooooone

Posted by: humanfly55 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 01:37 PM

I was thinking of starting a queue for Episode III outside inside a pub 'round the corner here. Out of like... protest.

Posted by: GianniSchicchi [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 01:44 PM

hhmmmm

so their not going to see the movie then??
im sure someone will notice, i mean a lack unwashed nerds. think about it. would you like to sit down next to a pack filthy geeks?
nuts!
but kudos for standing up for something guys!
missguided as it may be.
C.

Posted by: carthies [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 01:45 PM

"Star Wars people don't hold conventions to meet the guy Darth Vader strangled before the Battle of Hoth, Right?"

WRONG! Just check out the autograph hall guest list at Star Wars Celebration III (note Admiral Ozzel near the bottom of the list): http://www.starwarscelebration.com/displayswc.aspx?file=swc-autographs

Posted by: Sumo [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 01:46 PM

So, wait, they're protesting that they (the nerds) aren't able to successfully control distribution just by being nerds?

I don't get it. They're mad because something they *thought* would happen didn't...because Star Wars didn't follow THEM.

...

...

...

Yeah I got nothing.

Posted by: nevarren [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 01:49 PM

I worked at a movie theater for a few years, and I was never able to figure out how they decide which houses get which films. I think tea leaves are involved. Maybe also goat entrails.

Posted by: David Ely [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 01:49 PM

Hilarious.
If the world is kind, someone will take pity and buy out a showing in a single theater (hey google, donate some tickets for these people so they can stop protesting). Or something. After all, grouping together like lemmings with other nerds is obviously the last thing you'd want to do when you have free time. Ah well, I guess you can actually tell if you're talking to a real girl vs. irc.
I always thought that George Lucas would be laughing like a hyena before Star Wars Premieres (this occured to me as I froze my butt off in line for 3 hours). If I were him, I'd set up a web cam and a live feed in the bathroom so I can laugh while on the john.

Posted by: freecia [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 01:50 PM

Wil -

Thanks for sharing info about J-Sto's review, that was hysterical. Now I've got yet another blogger to keep tabs on.

--T

Posted by: t_knotts [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 01:55 PM

I adore nerd hierarchy. I interviewed today for a job marketing books, and found out at the interview that it would be for Wizards of the Coast books, ie Magic and D&D. I actually got excited at the prospect. The woman interviewing me mentioned that she'd had no experience with gaming herself, but went to GenCon a few years back for work and had a fine time watching a group of pimply teenage boys in GURPS shirts making fun of a group of goths, saying they gave gaming a bad name.

She then asked me about my interest in independent hip hop (itemized on my resume), and I had to admit that it was all nerd rap, but that the people involved there liked to make fun of gamers. It's all part of nerd hierarchy.

So, here we sit, sure we're Star Trek fans, and sure we're code writers, and sure we're bloggers and bb posters. But we're kings of the nerds, top of the geek-pile, laughing down at all we survey. I love being a nerd.

Posted by: Kristen [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 02:05 PM

Hi Wil! First time writer-in, frequent reader-of. Thanks for doing what you do.

Mostly I have a question - if I buy one of those genius shirts, do you make a donation to the fund that the line party is raising money for? Just wondering.

I've had quite a lot of fun reading this post and not getting ANY work done AT ALL. If I get fired, I'm blaming it on you :)

Posted by: MsMarvel [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 02:17 PM

OMG That is hilarious! I'm sorry, I'm a geek as well. Always have been. And I watch the three original when they first came out (yes, I'm that old). BUT to wait in a line for the movie ... adn then to wait in the wrong theatre. That is just TOO much! Some people really need to get a clue. Especially since they can buy tickets faster thru the net than waiting in line. :)

Posted by: Angie [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 02:38 PM

http://onlinestench.blogspot.com/2005/04/you-think-youve-lost-touch-with.html

These people make my life worth living

Posted by: Onlinestench [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 02:41 PM

Nerd Wars!

* dies giggling *

Posted by: Cookie [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 02:51 PM

Here is the comment I left at blogging.la:

My name is Chris Reed. I am 40 years old. I was third in line opening day for The Empire Strikes Back in Hollywood. Okay, technically my mom was, but I was right there.

It wasn't at the Chinese. It was at the Egyptian. And it was the best movie of the lot.

Take the omen, folks.

The movies world premieres have all been in San Francisco, by the way, at the Coronet Theater. It closed three weeks ago. Sad.

Posted by: Animeraider [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 03:03 PM

wow, i didn't know a line could have cliques! ehehehee that's too funneh XD

i want one of them T-shirts! even though i wasn't actually in that line :P

/btw, Wil, please don't change the layout of your blog, it's so perfect right now!

Posted by: Milla [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 03:09 PM

I wonder who designated the cool nerds cool and why?

*falls over giggling*

no really... this is just so tragic....

*passes out from uncontrollable evil giggles*

Posted by: NephraTari [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 03:26 PM

I love movies, but I don't love any movie long enough to stand in line for hours to see it. (Well, maybe if it involved Joss Whedon, Peter David and Marti Noxon) That's what Fandango's for! Guess there's no uber in my geek. :(

Posted by: GeminiLove [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 03:27 PM

Best.
Post.
Ever.

Dude, OMFG, I have never laughed so hard in my life. Coca Cola shot out of my nose and onto my flat panel monitor (I too am a geek).

Posted by: drdrew [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 03:33 PM

Too funny. :)

Someone needs to find out what film is premiering at the Graumans theater that week. Then we can make up more shirts saying "I waited in line for 2 months to see Star Wars but ended up seeing the Exorcist instead"

Posted by: OCCanuck [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 03:47 PM

Another first time commentor here.

Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. I am by far the geekiest person I know, and this leaves my mouth agape. Having been a born and bred geek, I agree that we sometimes have to learn to laugh at ourselves for just exactly how seriously we take our geekdom; I can't imagine someone having such dislike for you for making an observation...

Anyway, rock on Wil. BTW, you are one of the funniest writers I've read; though Jessica's a very close second.

"Jessica: Thanks for calling 1-900-Star-Wars, this is Princess Leia. Is your light saber in need of service?
(stunned silence)
-- Click. --"

Posted by: DrJones [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 04:04 PM

So you've probably just noted that over at blogging LA Sean found out that they bought 400 tickets at the Cineramadome buy now.

I find their lack of faith disturbing.

Posted by: astrobabe [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 04:12 PM

It's times like this that I truly miss Spudnuts.

Posted by: Rob Matsushita [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 04:27 PM

I suppose you COULD call this all sour grapes that no one lined up anywhere to see Star Trek: Nemesis or protest the cutting of any and all Wil Wheaton scenes, right?

/I keed....I keed. I keed cause I love. (I actually liked Nemesis (with or without Wheaton)).

Posted by: buntz [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 04:36 PM

well i actually boycotted Nemesis cuz i got pissed that they edited it like that, i'll just catch it on tv someday... i guess that's the extent of my geekdom. :P

Posted by: Milla [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 04:59 PM

I have never ever been embarrassed to say I was a Star Wars fan but this gives me pause. And I SO want one of those t-shirts. Please tell me they're for sale for real.

Posted by: warcrygirl [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 05:07 PM

Wil,

All I could think of as I read this (between wiping tears of laughter from my face) was the episode of the West Wing where Josh discovered Lemonlyman.com. Seen it? He posts and they all jump on him and go crazy. And he realizes he can't communicate with them because they're all insane.

3 years ago, friends of mine were 2nd in line at the Wash DC premiere of Attack of the Clones. They slept there for a week. The last night, my friend and I went and brought Krispy Kreme and hung out, because one of the linesters we knew had extra tickets. And there were DEFINITELY popular people and unpopular people. It was hilarious. One of the funnier nights of my memory.

Don't worry if they hate you. They hate lots of people. Like all of us who are going to wait until later that day to see the movie, instead of waiting in line forever for the midnight showing.

Posted by: Aethera21 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 05:17 PM

Hi Will,
I've been reading your blog now for, oh, about six months. I find it fascinating to read about anyone's life experiences regardless of their celebrity status (I read plenty of other people's too.) :)

Then I read this one and wow, I related to it right away. You see, I am a Geek and would consider myself an "UberNerd" according to your definition. Now, generally being a Geek (I like it better than Nerd which really refers to the those computer geniuses that no one dated in high school, but now run multimillion dollar computer companies - think Bill Gates) is rather cool. Once you embrace your 'inner geek' it gives you a sort of freedom of being you that was not possible before. But I digress...Having embraced my inner geek in spring 2002 I started doing movie replica costuming, specifically Star Wars. I used to belong to three different Star Wars based clubs: one was for general SW fandom, the other two are costuming clubs - one for the bad guys and one for the good guys. The first year was great! I went to all kinds of charity events in costume (as Leia) and participated in parades, conventions, hospital visits - you name it, we were there in costume. I made a ton of friends. I dated other Geeks which was great cause we'd do the costumed events together. Then the DRAMA began. One of the local chapters of said bad guy club was having internal disagreements. Then they started having all out fights online via messageboard and email. Then it all exploded into all-out war b/c another club thought the bad guy club was getting preferential treatment from LucasFilm, and the bad guy club was leaving the other club out of the invitation. The ironic thing about all of this is that the bad guy costuming group started all the problems - I suppose they were just acting to type. LOL This went on some months before an uneasy truce was formed. Then the one bad guy club split into two groups that don't get along at all and the fighting continued. It has been such a hassle and such a stressful thing being part of the groups that I finally had to make a decision. Do I want to continue to participate in this nonsense when it's really just about a movie? The politics and personalities, the petty jealousies, exclusion of people they don't like, the in-fighting and out-fighting became too much. So this past February I resigned my membership from all of the clubs. And that is only one story I could tell you - there are many more I could tell you. I could write a book about my experiences in Star Wars fandom. I have dicovered that there is a good percentage of Star Wars fans - we're talking the Ubernerd variety - that are very angry geeks, and they take that anger out on the people who they decide they don't like, which could be anyone. So it's no surprise to me that the L.A. line is divided into factions and that your comments would stir trouble. Personally, I find your comments hilarious and take them for what they are. But one of the reasons you got in more trouble than anyone else would is because you are associated with Trek, and you should know there is a Great Divide between most Star Wars fans and Star Trek fans.

Don't take anything they've said to heart. Don't try to fix it. You simply can't appease these people. I mean, think about it. These are grown adults who choose to camp out at a theater that isn't even going to show the movie. Like John Stewart says on the Daily Show - "Be Reasonable!"

Me? I'll be getting in line at my local AMC in the suburbs of Philadelphia round about 8pm - four hours before the midnight opening. And I won't be in costume, but I will be wearing a Leia t-shirt and have my hair in buns, b/c I am, after all, a Star Wars Geek. :)

~Jenni

Posted by: RebelGhirl [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 05:18 PM

My earlier comment got deleted, but that was funny as heck man.

Posted by: drdrew [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 05:32 PM

Too bad it's not a hunger strike. That'd really show 'the man' if they all ended up in the hospital before the movie opened.

Posted by: Grimicus [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 05:59 PM

I'll have to see what Chris says, but I think the whole thing is WAY too funny. People take themselves too seriously, and this is just an example of that.

Posted by: Mimiheart [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 06:05 PM

I totally don't even care anymore if Episode III sucks. This makes it ALL worth it.

Posted by: Code Pirate [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 06:18 PM

I will confess that I love Star Wars more than Star Trek and until recently, I too thought that Star Wars fans were more sane - but this is just stupid.

First off, who the hell can take off work for so long? How do they keep from being bored to death?

Secondly, who the hell cares where you see it as long as you see it. If it was me - well, if it was me, I would be waiting until a matinee showing, forget waiting in line for hours - but if I was in a line and found out I was at the wrong place, I would be so out of there.

What really scares me is the facist attitude of the line group. That is just WRONG, people! That is just so against the spirit of Star Wars. Maybe we should refer to them as the Clone Army from now on.

Posted by: MamaSlyth [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 06:40 PM

Pizza?
PIZZA?
Hookers.
"I lined up at the wrong theatre for Star Wars,
but I finally lost my virginity."

Posted by: fred [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 06:44 PM

Wil, this is the most hilarious weblog entry I've ever seen on your site. The fact that people are getting upset enough to send you hate mail makes it even more funny. I'll have to try and visit the Grauman's group next week if I have time while I'm in town.

Posted by: Chuck [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 06:49 PM

What have you got against Episode One anyway? I loved that movie, in fact it was the one that got me liking Star Wars in the first place.
But still, why would you bother to line up for months, never mind that it's at the wrong cinema. I just told my sister about this and she's laughing her head off. Some people definately take their love for movies too far. Me for one, but I'm not about to line up for a movie I can just see a week later when no-one's going anymore.

Posted by: Zkid [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 06:50 PM

They're mad because something they *thought* would happen didn't...because Star Wars didn't follow THEM.

You know, I've noticed this in more than one fandom (LOTR, HP and SW) in the past few years and it still doesn't make sense to me. Why do people think they have a right to tell a creator what to do with their creation? I had an agrument with someone about this before Attack of the Clones. I've questioned people who got upset about the title Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. I watched one woman throw a total hissy fit because Peter Jackson had Sam marry Rosie at the end - even though it's freakin' canon and she knew it!

You're buying the vision of another, people. If you want you're own, write your own stuff and don't spend money on the other person's stuff. It's like most people are turning into petty-dictators.

Has it always been like this and I just missed it? Or is this something that has been growing with time?

Posted by: MamaSlyth [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 06:52 PM

Oh Wil... Wil Wil Wil. I was reading this entry, and while I don't disagree with what you're saying, I found myself wondering why you would need to say this at all. "It's like he never heard of fandom politics..."

And then it occurred to me that you probably haven't, because you're not really part of fandom. That's not to say you're not a fan - anyone can be a fan, and most fans are geeks. But fandom, to be part of that larger community as a fan, it's just not something you'll never have to deal with since you've crossed that magic line from the admirer to the admired. Which brings it's own problems, I'm sure (fans hating you for your character, fans hating you for you, fans taking the fantasy world a little too seriously, and so on).

When you're a part of organized fandom as a fan, politics happen. You'd think they shouldn't, since it is just a show/movie/book series/toy and nothing that will actually seriously change society (like real politics). But people all have their opinions on how things should be, and they take their particular fandom just a little more seriously (because they love it so much), and well, disagreements happen. And because people have things like emotions, these things can get blown out of proportion and get STUPID, like the Star Wars example you mentioned. But it's not just Star Wars - every fandom has this crap going on, and it's much more than just Star Wars versus Star Trek (which in my experience, is a rivalry that doesn't really exist and seems more to be invented by the media): Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Transformers, anime, DC Universe... the list goes on and on. There's a reason why things like the fandom_wank community exist (you want funny? go read fandom wank. It's crap like this Grauman's situation ALL THE TIME).


I've been involved in my fair share of fandom crap, and yes, that include Star Wars (in something similar to what happened to Jenni above, except I'm in NYC). It's not something you really want to delve too deeply into, because it can get messy. Funny, but messy, and people will take it seriously. And trust me, telling people to "get a life" is the absolute worst thing you can say, since not only have you insulted people by belittling something that's important to them, but it doesn't reflect well on you that you took time out of your life to say it.

Yeah, I could have done better things with my time than type up this response. But hey, I am a geek.... a fan of fans. I'm fascinated by geek culture, and I just thought that maybe I could set the record a bit straight on this whole mess.

Posted by: Lampbane [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 07:01 PM

Speaking of Star Trek / Wars, the poll came out in TV guide today. Crusher came in 4th dead even with the computer at 11%. Alexander came in first. I just thought I would mention it. ^_^

btw, too funny about people lining up at the wrong theater and staying there on purpose.

Posted by: Sailor Lynx [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 07:22 PM

Hey Lampbane,
Funny you should mention NYC - the groups I was participating with for a LOT of events with ARE in NYC. In fact, the bad guy group that split now has two chapters located in NYC.

J

Posted by: RebelGhirl [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 07:25 PM

hmm... don't these people have jobs? Or, at least jobs where you can't take off for months at a time, and need to show up not looking like they live on a sidewalk?

Lining up at the wrong theater is amusing... refusing to move has the makings of a mockumentary.

Posted by: jointhenoise [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 07:34 PM

"Wil, I am your father!" - Capt. Picard.

Posted by: Eugenia [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 07:49 PM

Oh my. I just took a look at the other posts, pictures, and links at blogging.la. Oh my. I'm a SW fan from way back. I was six when the original came out in '77, and it became a part of me the minute that door opened and Darth Vader appeared. A hulking, menacing, frightening figure in jet black in stark contrast to the pure, white, pristine environment of the rebel ship (except for all those dead bodies on the floor...not too pristine and pure, but you know what I'm saying). I still get goose bumps when I see it. But...oh my. That's just.....it's just.....DANG!

Posted by: sonjaag [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 07:56 PM

Wil, I totally see this blog entry as part of your next (non-fiction) book. I can't stop laughing.

I hope that this all turns into one big laugh-fest before it's over. I've half a mind to get in that line and start laughing at myself...you know just to start something.

Posted by: Devyn [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 07:58 PM

Oh my. I just took a look at the other posts, pictures, and links at blogging.la. Oh my. I'm a SW fan from way back. I was six when the original came out in '77, and it became a part of me the minute that door opened and Darth Vader appeared. A hulking, menacing, frightening figure in jet black in stark contrast to the pure, white, pristine environment of the rebel ship (except for all those dead bodies on the floor...not too pristine and pure, but you know what I'm saying). I still get goose bumps when I see it. But...oh my. That's just.....it's just.....DANG!

Posted by: sonjaag [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 07:59 PM

I think that group is awesome! Who cares if they don't see the movie at that theater. I hung out in line for a few hours to see Episode 1 at the big theater in San Fran (not on opening night). It was so much fun interacting with the people in line. I bet they are having a blast. If I lived in LA I'd be tempted to go hang out with them for a weekend.

Someone on /. posted the phone number to the pay phone next to them. I'm tempted to call it just to geek out for a little while.

Posted by: Alan [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 08:04 PM

Hi Wil,

I just called the nerdline. Talked to a guy named Larry that told me you waited tables at his wedding between Stand By Me and ST:TNG. He said you were really cool and signed things for him, including a "real vinyl" copy of the soundtrack. Wil, this guy's a big fan of yours and he says that at least 90% of the line are too.

And they confirmed that about half the group is going to the Arclight and the rest will probably go somewhere else. He said they're kinda bummed tonight.

(Classic NerdChick: I'm playing FinalFantasyXI with my husband on the regular 'puter, and reading about the nerds on the laptop and petting the cat...a nice quiet Friday night to recover from work-on the computer.)

Posted by: sharon [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 08:13 PM

Someone should go live with these folks and do a documentary, sort of an updated Gorillas in the Mist (only more funny)

You can almost smell the neuroticism (actual word?) vibing off of these folks through the wifi - as young nerds, many of us can recall not being part of the mainstream groups in our age/grade/gender/whatever population, so now the one "clique" is all "STFU! I've finally got a group and I'll be damned if I'm voluntarily walking away, no matter how dumb, strange, and creepy the group is!"

They all need to lighten up though...remember kids, if you can't laugh at yourselves, the rest of us will just laugh harder at you

Posted by: Matthew Cox [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 08:15 PM

Oh. My. God. Wil. That was the funniest thing you have EVER written!

Every time I read "in line at the wrong theater and refusing to move in protest" I just starting laughing all over again! I'm laughing right now reading this after I pasted in the sentence!

We need to get a freakin' webcam on those guys.

Posted by: Keri [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 08:30 PM

Your take was one of the best I'd seen about this. I have been following this on Fandom_Wank
http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/672275.html

Asshattery at it's finest!

Posted by: Jen [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 08:57 PM

Hey Wil,

I tried to tell you that the cool SW fans were in Orange County but you didn't believe me :)

TM

BTW, In the name of objective reporting the reason they are refusing to move is that supposedly they said the movie wouldn't play at that theater before (i.e. Episode I and II) but it did. You somehow left that detail out.

Posted by: Todd Marinovich [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 08:57 PM

My abdomen hurts from laughing so hard. That has to be one of the best things I've ever read! Well, except for certain books... but oh whatever. I love hearing about this Star Wars line, it's just so funny and yet so stupid. The fans are truly stubborn.

But I really hope that someone has taped this whole ordeal from the beginning. I'm in a whole other part of the country, so I can't really have a front row seat to this show, unlike other people. It would be an amusing as a documentary, though. Or at least I think it would be.

Posted by: Sangri [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 09:08 PM

You know, if it had been me, I would have taken them pizza. I have found that there are a lot of folks who are really shy in person but have no problems being totally abusive asshats online or in email. Often just meeting them face to face disarms them. A real in-person conversation means a lot more than a posted open letter. They can have armor a mile thick in the virtual world, and be totally accessible in real life.

That, and nerds find it hard to stay mad at anyone offering them pizza.

Posted by: nekodojo [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 09:39 PM

Hi Wil, This is my first time posting here. I just dropped in because so many people I know at LiveJournal read your blog and love it.

You are a funny guy!

Now I just wanted to suggest one thing for the Star Wars nerds.... http://www.fandango.com/

Posted by: Cbronte [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 09:41 PM

Personally, I enjoyed waiting in line at Graumann's for Episode I a heckuvalot more than actually watching the movie.

Posted by: Rachel [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 09:59 PM

Does this mean nobody's waiting at the RIGHT theater? What would happen, say, if someone started a new line?

If I were waiting there in the line I'd say 'fuck this' and go over to the REAL place, and thus, get a better place in line... sheesh...

Posted by: StarkRG [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 10:01 PM

o_O

I am so confused.
Protest?
For Star Wars?

Hey, I'm a fan and all (of the ORIGINALS) but I won't protest for them.

Unless it's at Lucas' house telling him to leave the movies the heck alone.
Then I am ALL OVER IT!

*hands Wil a lightsaber*

Posted by: Jeannette311 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 10:01 PM

I found this panoramic view of the line:
--**--
http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen5/f15b_star-wars.html
--**--
Which one is Elliot, which one is the girl who hasn't left the line even to bath, and what's up with the 'Revolution around the corner' marquee across the street?

Posted by: Danalan [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 10:31 PM

Wil, I always like reading your blog entries. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us...especially THAT one!

That sounded to me like a real life group of "Freaks and Geeks."

I wanna take the Nerds pizza, too! :)

Posted by: Bripadme [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 10:36 PM

I'm surprized people even still care about the movies. The KOTOR games are where Star Warz iz at. Even KOTOR 2 which is unfinished and buggy as hell is incredible.

Posted by: LordJim [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 11:14 PM

This is the funniest thing I've read in a long time. A catharsis and ab workout in one. Beautiful.

Posted by: Margo Eve [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 11:25 PM

That entry should come with a bladder warning before you start reading. Had I not gone to the bathroom a couple of minutes before I would be sitting in a puddle of urine as I type.

Thanks for the laughs W.

Posted by: Ana Marylee [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2005 11:31 PM

i have to say Wil, i kinda side with the Nerds. I think it's hard when you're a nerd to be made fun of my other nerds. then you know, you're a REAL nerd. Nerds are supposed to stick together, support each other in thier nerdiness, even if it's different nerdiness; whether you're a computer geek or a Trekkie or a Star Wars fan. Don't you think they know they're nerds? Don't you think that they get made fun of for that every day of thier lives, especially when they are lining up weeks ahead of time for a movie? and then another Nerd comes along and says, wow, you guys need to get a life??? i dunno, but i'm a huge Wars fan and if it werent for school and work, i'd be out there with them. And you, my friend, are a NerdSnob. Similar to IndieSnob, but in the nerd scene.
On the other hand, i love the Arclight. Me and my friends, knowing that we couldnt see it at Graumens, had decided weeks ago to see it at the Arclight. We'll be there, at the midnight showing. I try to see all the good movies there, despite the rediculous cost. I saw Eternal Sunshine there.
Dude, i would line up with them to protest YOU. If i see you in Borders, i will give you a scornful look. and you don't want to go there. believe me.

Posted by: Jessie [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 12:36 AM

wil-
i tried calling the Star Wars Hotline, and actually got through on my first try. i had a nice conversation with the guy who answered the phone, and then i got off to give other people a chance to call.

i did ask him, and he does not hate you. just thought i'd let you know.

thanks for making me laugh again!
-indy

Posted by: Indy [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 12:42 AM

p>**smacks self on the forehead**

**very loud groan** Oh man, things like this "protest" are painful to me - as one of the founders of the Phoenix Fan Force (yeah, the Phoenix, AZ chapter of the "general" SW fanclub - as opposed to the "bad guys" and the "good guys" that Jenni mentioned).

I love Star Wars. I love doing Star Wars events in costume (yay Padmé and Leia!). I had a blast lining up for Episodes 1 and 2. I even visited the L.A. line with other Phx people prior to our own Ep. 2 line. I kinda know one of the guys in the L.A. line (hey Chy!).

But PROTESTING!?? The WRONG THEATER!?? Okay, okay - I can see why they were skeptical about this information at first. These same people were told that Eps 1 and 2 would be shown at the Arclight while lining up at Graumann's. And then both movies ended up showing at Graumann's. But, when it's official, when both theaters have confirmed it, why protest? Why not just be cool about it and move? Why insist on making ALL of the Star Wars geeks and nerds look insanely stupid?

**hint hint L.A. line people that are insisting on "protesting" - this is EXACTLY what you're doing!**

The line is supposed to be FUN! Granted, the media NEVER mention the check-in check-out system, and are the reason most people think none of us have jobs. BUT LET'S NOT ENCOURAGE THIS NOTION!!! please?

Wil, thanks for maintaining a sense of humour about all of this. Like allie said in one of the first comments - "If we [geeks] can't laugh at ourselves, who can we laugh at?"

P.S. Love your blog - I read daily. :)

Posted by: kreleia [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 12:59 AM

Hilarious :)

I've not read any of your printed work - just your blog for the last 6 months or so, originally via the LJ feed and now directly via my aggregator...

Just in the last few weeks you've had me in tears at work in your eulogy to The Bear, and now rolling in laughter at your description of the antics of the Great Wrong Theater Debacle...

Not only do you seem to be a great guy, you're a fantastic writer - I do believe I'll be looking for your books in the near future..

Posted by: zhasper [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 01:00 AM

Oh boy, I heard about this one at work. 10 out of 10 for determination, and I made a comment that if they were that determined to watch Revenge Of The Sith at Graummans then perhaps they'd better get the movie in for them XD

Granted though it is kind of sad when the line issue really gets taken seriously, and my god, cliques amongst nerds? Hideous!!! 8O It's bad enough having to witness it among the Chavs and the Popular Guys at school, I kinda hoped that Nerdkind was above such immaturity but then I guess what do I know, I'm just a dumb Goth.

I like living in Weston-Super-Mare. It has one cinema, but it also has about 60 percent of it's population being the elderly, so when a lot of the more recent movies (even the big ones) have come to that one cinema then there's always been a chance to go on the opening night, get a ticket and watch without seeing the dreaded 'Theatre Full' sign :D In the four years I've lived in the birthplace of the Silly Walk I've only pre-booked tickets about 3 times and thankful that I did only once - last year when Return Of The King was in town. This May will make that four times (and probably two) but I do like living in a town where you can go to the opening night of a new Star Wars movie and still have a chance of getting a seat :D

Posted by: Devil Girl [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 05:46 AM

Hi Wil,

You should go down and see those people. You had some fun at their expense and it's only fair to let them have a bit of fun too.

I'm sure that just by showing up, they will forgive you. You will allow them to save face and enjoy the humor that you point out should be shared by all involved.

Posted by: Spunkyknight [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 06:28 AM

HAHAHA!!! That is so wrong that it is beautiful. You are absolutely right though, despite the fact that they have a 'right' to protest, they could be spending their time protesting something that matters. I can't believe they got so uppity over your t-shirts I think they are awesome!

Posted by: aquitaineq [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 06:54 AM

Oh my. I just took a look at the other posts, pictures, and links at blogging.la. Oh my. I'm a SW fan from way back. I was six when the original came out in '77, and it became a part of me the minute that door opened and Darth Vader appeared. A hulking, menacing, frightening figure without a face in jet black. In stark contrast to the pure, white, pristine environment of the rebel ship (except for all those dead bodies on the floor...not too pristine and pure, but you know what I'm saying). I still get goose bumps when I see it. But...oh my. That's just.....it's just.....DANG!

PS - I apologize if this post shows up a bunch of times. I'm having some computer problems.

Posted by: sonjaag [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 07:16 AM

*cackles*

I can't decide if I'm more amused by the whole situation (made more amusing by your telling of the tale), or jealous of people who have the TIME to camp in line for two months (even at the right theater).

"Get a life," does seem extremely apropos.

Posted by: MissMeliss [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 07:43 AM

Wil, thanks for the spam link and the LA links. I need to get rid of this spam (I mean the corned beef!) Visit moi sometime. love fellow film people!

Posted by: Mrs. Mogul [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 07:52 AM

I think they will laugh at this - give them a few years before it will happen.

They really do need a life. I don't bother going to movies until they have been out for a couple of weeks - most I just wait until the DVD's out - but that is more because of my kids

Posted by: Reddy [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 08:57 AM

While cliquishness amongst nerds isn't new [Star Trek Nerds vs. Star Wars Nerds, LARP vs. SCA (I don't know how this one got started)] this is just bizarre. It's so bizarre that (runs over to bookshelf, grabs old copy of WWF RPG), I'm inspired.

Mmmm... stable feud. What to call the stables?
nWo (nerd World order) vs. Dork Lords of the Sith). Maybe...

Posted by: Alexander Case [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 09:31 AM

Wil, Wil. How can be so insenstive? These amazing nerds are taking time out from thier busy lives to make a statement. Instead of ridicule you should praising them for finally coming out of thier grandmas basement, stopping thier playing of Dungeons and Dragons, and halting work on thier Star Wars Opening Outfits, to wait in a long line way too early at the wrong theatre. It just breaks my heart to think because of this horrible mix-up there might be one less Obi Wan this year. Isnt Chewy going to be in this one? For god sakes its Chewy!! I hope you see the error of your ways.
You are no friend to nerds!!

Posted by: Lanamarie [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 12:17 PM

Great Post Will. This is my first time here and I must blow a little smoke in a specific area and say that it is cool that you let average cats like me leave comments. Pretty cool.

I thought the story about the Star Wars geks standing in line was a joke. When I realized it was true it made me think that it was a dark day for Star Wars enthusiasts everywhere.lol Great post.

Posted by: HumanityCritic [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 12:40 PM

I would like to say that if these "nerds" were lining up for days...or even hours, to see Wil speak, or maybe pick up a copy of his book, or maybe go see a movie he was in, he'd be singing a different tune.

I'm not saying he's jealous....

I'm just saying I don't think he should be so quick to judge...

Posted by: buntz [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 12:43 PM

Looks like the SWNerds managed to buy up all of the tickets for the midnight showings at the right theatre. So now I'll be going to a more convenient showing later in the day at the Dome. Oh well. This will be easier to get my "regular" friends to go with me at a decent hour, at least.

Hope to see you there!

Posted by: lomara [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 01:37 PM

heh.... heh heh... ha... HAHAHAHA..... This post actually brightened up my day.. I needed the humor. I want to see the movie too, but I think I'll wait until a sunday, about mid-day when there arent' many people in the theatre. I can't stand packed theatres......

Posted by: ndmain27 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 02:28 PM

Actually.... I think... I just really can't stand people. Most of em anyways.

Posted by: ndmain27 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 02:29 PM

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

Posted by: alibaba199 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 05:51 PM

This whole thing is very funny. I love those shirts. _I_ want one. :P

Posted by: AT [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 07:09 PM

Wow... I have no words for this... No. Words. I mean, seriously, what can I say to this? LOL I wish the biggest problem in MY life was whether or not to go to another theatre. *sigh* Nerds. :p

Posted by: LolaGabanna [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 09:10 PM

I hope that Late Night sends Triumph The Insult Comic Dog out to the line again this year. And this line would be even better.

Posted by: The Geek [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 09:47 PM

Man...thats the BEST thing Ive read in a long time. I needed that. Im a Star Wars geek myself and love it just as much as the next guy (the line nerds to be exact) but DAMN!

I would have moved. I wouldnt be waiting at a theater that wasnt gonna show the movie. Thats just nonsense to me. They need to chill out. Seriously.

I appreciated the joke. I laughed and seen how silly I would have looked and moved on.

For the record, the shirts ROCK and I would have bought one.

Posted by: Greenie [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2005 10:00 PM

"The Line" ???

That appellation, along with 'linesters' and their reaction to your humor (which I found screamingly funny) is emblematic of the degree of social dysfunction present.

Triumph the Dog nailed these folks.

Posted by: doog [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 17, 2005 12:50 AM

Wil,
Thanks for a great start to my working week. Commiserations to the fans involved, but it's still pretty funny anyway.

Posted by: Spacehamster [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 17, 2005 05:11 PM

Whatever happened to just waiting on line to SEE THE DAMN MOVIE?

Ahem. Excuse me. I'm just going to go sit in front of a McDonald's until they make me a Whopper.

-Hilary

Posted by: KniteGamer [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 17, 2005 09:58 PM

Excellent post! It's a little microcosm of human society down there at Graumans. I'm going to keep an eye on blogging.la for a while I think.

BTW Will - ref your profile on blogging.la - I didn't realise you were a HitchHikers fan! Share and Enjoy. Liam.

Posted by: Liam [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 18, 2005 05:42 AM

Great post. Funny stuff.

Posted by: StudioGlyphic [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 18, 2005 02:58 PM

Will,
Please tell these ubernerds they need to start kissing women other than their sisters and assorted family members. Nerdity is good , anti social dysfunctional personal relationships aren't . When I pulled my nose out of a book and put it, as well as my whole face, between womens legs my life changed forever. Folks its always better to have a woman holding yer pee pee than yerself so come on, get a woman and start showing her why God made u a man !!!
BTW I saw the same comedy bit by Triumph the insult comic dog at the Phantom Menace premier, funny as all hell. Heil Das Ubernerds !!!

Posted by: 4U2PoopOn [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 18, 2005 08:23 PM

Wow! Real live California protestors. The pack mentality is awe-inspiring.


Thanks so much for the story ;) (There's $5.00 in it if I can get a picture...).

Posted by: AprylRae [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 20, 2005 09:48 AM

It would be somewhat generous to characterize Ms. Stover's entry as a "paraphrasing" of what I actually said.

There is no one so-called "alpha nerd," and if there were, I'd never be it.

If you want to come down on Saturday, Wil, feel free. If not, that's fine. I've basically moved on, and this will be the last post here, on my blog, or at the forums at LUN about this matter, at least from me.

Once again, my problem is that you were one of the only people I was pretty sure wouldn't take the shot, and you took it. Congratulations on being exactly as funny (thankfully nowhere near as crude) as your average porn star from Playboy TV. I spent a good chunk of energy doing the standard "Wil is so much more than a kid who used to be on Star Trek -- stop dissing Trek, by the way -- and you should read his book, it's great" thing for this group. I think I won't bother anymore though.

Posted by: lloannna [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 22, 2005 12:01 PM

Someone should send some Suicide Girls by to discombobulate this line.

"We are the cool nerds, unlike like those *nix-using CatPissMen willing to defect to the Arclite."

Posted by: mckenzee [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 1, 2005 09:39 AM

HAving been a trekie since 1966 and a DeadHead since 1985, I am VERY familiar with the foibles of fans. I've done some wierd things in my life, reflected in my email nom de plume, but standing in the wrong line for months to see/hear a favored artist/show isn't one of them. I think this is just about the funniest, most ludicrous account of fan nuttyness I've ever heard of, (barring some of my own exploits). Rock on, thou crazy humans,,,

Posted by: gary seven [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 29, 2005 03:31 PM

Wil,



I would have found it funnier if it weren’t for the fact that I feel their pain.



Ana Marylee articulated perfectly what I was feeling as I read your post.



I’m not a big Star Wars fan. I wouldn’t camp out in line for any movie. If for some reason I did, I wouldn’t have stayed at the wrong theatre in protest. Still, I sympathise with them.



Face it, you should know better than to tell a group of nerds to get a life. Coming from an actor who has appeared in SF media, that’s an insult with a lot of baggage. And your apology was backhanded...you said you were sorry, but then took the opportunity to make fun of them again. Both times, you couldn’t resist getting following your apology with a “but it’s funny because...” That’s not a real apology. That’s a way to make it look like you apologised without showing any actual contrition or regret.



I’m especially disappointed in the other nerds that laugh at the nerds in the line. It’s so easy to not stand in line, not do anything out of the ordinary, and then laugh at other people from the safety of your keyboard, but that makes you no better than the rest of the mouth-breathing mundanes that go around abusing nerds because nerds are an easy target. Fans are supposed to be above that kind of cowardly conformism; even if they disagree about whether something is embarrassing, they should still stand up for each other. Maybe someday you laughing nerds will be in the position of having done something unusual and everyone, including nerds, will be laughing at you, and then you’ll understand that it doesn’t feel too nice when it’s happening to you, does it?

Posted by: Felicity [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2005 08:06 PM
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