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« doubled up inside | Main | that train keeps rollin' » July 11, 2005point me at the skyIn a field of 6,000 entrants, the best player in the world might generously be a 1,000-1 dog to win. After 40 years against those odds, that player would have a mere 4 percent chance of having won the tournament once, and it would take 700 years before the best player would have a 50 percent chance to have won.I just got busted from the 1500 NLHE event at the WSOP today. I know that we want guys to play K-4o when we've got pocket jacks, especially when the flop misses him and gives us a straight draw . . . but we really don't want him to river a king to suck out on us, and leave us so short-stacked that we push on the button with AQ and get called by AK in the Big Blind. (As a side note, I can't fucking believe that I've lost to K-4o twice in two tournaments, when I got my money in when I was ahead.) So I'm back at my hotel, looking down onto the pool area where I've spent so much of the last few days. Even from the 24th floor, I can see the be-thonged beauties floating in the pool, inches away from children splashing in waterfalls. Cocktail waitresses walk around, doing a job that is probably much harder and less fun than their customers think. The longer I look down there, the more I'm tempted to put on a Think Geek T-shirt and head down for a beer . . . but simply tilting my head up a few degrees puts the Rio squarely in my field of vision, and I can't help but feel like a complete loser. I'm ready to go home. seventy-two hours earlier Pauly and I found Otis and told him the bad news. "Did you play smart?" Otis said. "I think so," I said. The numbness of busting out began to wear off, and I started to feel sick to my stomach. "That's all you can do, man," he said. "I know." "But knowing that doesn't make it feel any better, right?" Pauly said. I shrugged my shoulders. I didn't want to be a baby — I did my best, and I wasn't going to cry about it. But, I felt sick to my stomach because I felt like I let PokerStars down. They put me into the tournament, and I couldn't even make it past the third level. The three of us talked for a minute, until my cell phone rang. I saw Anne on the caller ID. "That's my wife, you guys. I'm going to talk to her and get out of here." "Okay, are you going to stick around?" Pauly said. I picked up my phone. "Hold on," I said, and turned back to Pauly and Otis. "I don't think so. If I stay, I'll call you guys and maybe we can have a beer . . . or you can have a beer and I'll have a hundred." I shook their hands, and made my way through the tables. "Hi," I said. "So what happened?" She said. I told her. We didn't talk about it, but just making it past the bubble would have been a big deal for us. Money is still very short in our life right now, and I'm thinking about giving up poker for a while until I can figure out if I truly am getting unlucky, or if I'm just a mediocre player who catches enough good cards to overestimate his abilities . . . in other words: A Fish. " . . . and I'm coming home tonight," I said. I'd made it out of the tournament area, and walked back into an alcove where other busted players talked on their phones. One guy looked like he was choking back tears. Maybe that guy was me. Anne sounded surprised. "Why? Don't you want to stay and watch? You've talked about this for months." "No," I said. "I feel like such a total fucking loser, I just want to get home." "Okay," she said. "If that's what you want to do." My cellphone beeped. It was Dan Goldman from PokerStars. "Honey, I have to go, it's Dan on the other line." "Okay, puss," she said. "I love you huge." She really does, and she knows that for the next several days — possibly weeks — she's going to have to deal with me replaying every hand, every round of betting, every decision I made during the tournament. I wasn't a serious poker player when we got married, so she didn't sign up for this . . . but she endures it very well. Come to think of it, she endures a whole lot of things to be married to me. "Okay. I love you too. I'll do my best to not talk endlessly about this for the next month." We both know that my best effort in this endeavor will yield success approximately equal to my success in surviving past Level Three. The phone beeped again. I clicked over, before it could go to voice mail. "Hi Dan," I said. "Brad [that's Otis' real name] told me what happened," he said. "I just wanted to see how you were doing." I told him. "That's understandable," he said, "but don't sweat it so much. There will be lots of other tournaments." I know that this is true, but I can't find a way to let the comfort which should lie in this fact penetrate the thick blanket of gloom I've wrapped around myself. "In fact," Dan continued, "If you'd like, we'll buy you into the 7pm tournament at The Palms tonight, and we'll put you into the 1500 No Limit event on Monday back at the World Series." "Seriously?" I said. "Yeah," he said. "Let's get you right back on the horse." I looked at my watch: It was just about 5:30pm. The blanket fell from my shoulders. "Okay," I said. "I would love to do that. Let me just call my wife and tell her that I'm staying." "Great." He said. "We'll see you over there in about an hour." I hung up and called Anne. "You'll have a great time," she said, "and I just know that you'll be able to redeem yourself." "I'll call you later and let you know how I'm doing," I said. "Thanks for putting up with me." "Shut up." She said. "I love you." "I love you too. Watch for cars . . ." " . . . and don't get into any fights," she said. "Bye." "Bye." I hung up my phone, and left the alcove. As I walked away, I man in a Bluff Magazine T-shirt passed me. His hands trembled as he pulled his phone from his pocket. He picked up my blanket, wrapped it tightly around himself, and dialed. to be continued . . . Comments
It certainly sounds like you just had some bad luck, but played well. Tournament poker can be painful. Posted by: alan at July 11, 2005 05:03 PM
Don't let it get you down, Wil. Maybe all you really need is some Monkeh Mojo. Sending it right now :) Posted by: Danyiel at July 11, 2005 05:09 PM
I am loving the entries....okay, your playing thus far hasn't been in your favor, but it sure is bringing out the writer in you. Monkey Mojo coming your way... Posted by: =^) at July 11, 2005 05:16 PM
Don't beat yourself up. I know it's easier said than done. Sometimes the cards turn up for you and something the poker gods tell you to bend over and take it like a man. Just give'em the finger and enjoy the experience and chalk up any disapoinments up to "learning exp". Or fodder for the book you write in 20 years explaining why you've become an elvis impersonator ;) G'luck and have fun :) at July 11, 2005 05:42 PM
/edit they need an edit button for people like me. Posted by: Mynna at July 11, 2005 05:45 PM
That is fanfriggintastic, Wil! I feel like saying good luck but at this point, it's Monday night so you've already at least started at least one of them. But what the hell, GOOD LUCK!! And above all just have fun. Look around at where you are and the unbelievable opportunity that you have, even if you bust out early. Have a great time! Posted by: psycoma at July 11, 2005 05:51 PM
That is fanfriggintastic, Wil! I feel like saying good luck but at this point, it's Monday night so you've already at least started at least one of them. But what the hell, GOOD LUCK!! And above all just have fun. Look around at where you are and the unbelievable opportunity that you have, even if you bust out early. Have a great time! Posted by: psycoma at July 11, 2005 05:53 PM
Awesome Wil! Best of luck mate. I'll send my mojo to Darwin and he can channel it to you. Hope you catch better cards this time. I know it's cliche, but my friend always gives me Kenny Roger's advice before every game. Ya Gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run. Kick some ass, Wil. Posted by: Cory at July 11, 2005 06:24 PM
Wil, at July 11, 2005 06:33 PM
Will, man the blanket analogy is fantastic! Abolutely fantastic closing imagery! And even though your wife *is* a saint for putting up with you, you don't even realize that she has flaws and that says a lot about you...;-) Posted by: Pirate Fae at July 11, 2005 06:36 PM
Wil, [Warning - Long Post] Tough luck but, and I mean this with the best of intensions, you didn't get screwed and you should try not to take it so hard. After all, even if you didn't get sucked out on on these hands, you had only a small chance of cashing at either tourney. Not because you are a fish, but because there is just too much luck and so many other players. Take, for example your JJ vs. K4o. Sure, you are a heavy favorite, but what does that really mean? Assuming all the money got in pre-flop, you had 2.6:1 odds. EV+ of course - but also likely to send you home? Yup, that too. Let's face it, if I offered any of the pros the prop that they'd only have to go all in covered 4 times in the tournement and each time it'd be JJ vs. K4o, they'd all take it. But 3 of the 4 would lose. It's not really that bad a beat (depending on the table situation...alright, the guy might have been an idiot, but he might have just been reading you, incorrectly, for a pushoutable hand). at July 11, 2005 06:44 PM
I think Pokerstars is getting their money's worth. Enjoying all the stories. Posted by: BadBlood at July 11, 2005 07:11 PM
First of all, nerds are INCREDIBLY sexy. Believe it. I've always liked nerds, but it looks like that is catching on. And when it really catches on, expect to become a sex symbol. Not that you aren't one alraedy. Second of all, I think Lou above has some good advice. Gotta get used to losing in the now if you want to get ready to win in the future. Shit happens. Relax and gear up for your next round. Third of all, however you do in poker, you're a blog writer champion. Much love and mojo. Posted by: the stalwart light at July 11, 2005 07:32 PM
The only way you could be a loser if you didn't step up to the plate at all. There's no shame in losing... there's only shame in not even trying. Posted by: Megalion at July 11, 2005 07:44 PM
I have to confess I do not know anything about poker. Having said that......Good luck tonight. I'm really enjoying reading your blog. I love when you talk about your wife. You are very fortunate to have someone who is so loving and supportive. You seem to have a great marriage. Sending you some mojo, at July 11, 2005 07:47 PM
Amazing writing Wil. I'm telling ya...movies are made on less golden prose than what you're churning out this past week. Hell, even a novel or an eternally geeky graphic novel would be awesome. Posted by: Chaz at July 11, 2005 07:48 PM
Wil, Wil, Wil. Sweet, you're too hard on yourself. Seriously. You hear that alot, I know. When I hear something alot, I start to believe it. Don't beat yourself up over something so many others go through with you. Posted by: VeronicaKnight at July 11, 2005 07:56 PM
Wil, first of all, I really enjoyed tonight's post. Your wife must be an amazing woman to be so easily supportive. I wish you all the luck in Vegas, and believe that whatever is meant to happen will happen. Things DO work out the way they're supposed to. I just hope it's supposed to be in your favor. Play a good game. Posted by: porkerella at July 11, 2005 08:27 PM
Bro, we all hit bad luck. In the poker world, all a player can do is ride his waves and get ahead where he can. Even an absolute pro loses a few. You're not dealing with an absolute skill-equals-winning sport. You can play a game perfect to the very end and get smacked down by a Vegas tourist on a lucky streak. Stay strong, get your jabs in where you can, and remember that for every valley you're in, there is another peak just waiting for you to climb it. Posted by: Nemmeran at July 11, 2005 08:32 PM
James came home on Saturday, after playing poker at a few places, the Wynn, the Sands, the Aladdin, Harrah's. He was up a few hundred for the trip on poker, but let the slots suck up most of it. (I have trouble resisting all the bells and lights, too). He spent most of his time at the Lifestyle show, but he did have a chance to peek in at the WSOP. He told me it looked like "a warehouse full of poker players", and that the chip rattle with that many players in one place was astoundingly loud. . . I look forward to reading about the rest of your trip. Posted by: robespierrette at July 11, 2005 09:35 PM
Wil, before you decide to quit, reread that quote you used as the epigraph to this post. From the looks of it, "name" players were busting out left, right, and center on Day 1; you can hold your head up alongside any of 'em. Just go over to the mirror, look at it, and say, in your best Governator impersonation, "I'll be back." Because you will, I'm sure of it. Posted by: Erbo at July 11, 2005 09:42 PM
I don't want to fuck up the drama . . . but this story is far from over. I'm not thinking about quitting, and I'm not staring into an abyss, at all. Lou is right on, and his words actually echo some conversations I've already had with myself. So. To sum up: I'm okay. I appreciate the concerns, but try to just hold on and enjoy the ride. We're still in the first act. :) Posted by: Wil at July 11, 2005 10:22 PM
*Gasp* Otis' real name is Brad? Isn't that like telling me Superman's real name is Clark!?!? ;-) Glad to hear you're getting back on the horse. You have an amazing opportunity there to have a great time and learn a lot about your poker game at the same time. I'm glad you're taking advantage of it. You'll turn that corner soon and come to realize you're not a fish. Good luck! Posted by: CJ at July 11, 2005 11:23 PM
Pokerstars wouldn't have invested their time and money in you unless they thought you were GOOD. And you are GOOD. They know you won't cash in every tourny you play in, nor do they expect you to. Poker doesn't work that way. They know you will learn more and improve as time goes on. And you know that as well. I think poker is 50% strategy and 50% luck. Some people are born lucky, some aren't. I know I'm not. For luck you might need to find: box of horse shoes, a rabbits foot, throw salt over your shoulder, find a couple thousand lucky pennies, roll in a field of four leaf clovers..... ...maybe shoot Darwin. Get a Mr. Hanky doll instead. If you can't find one, you can borrow mine. "Mr. Hanky, the Christmas Poo, He loves me and I love you".... (I've lost it). at July 11, 2005 11:28 PM
You know, it sounds like a blast. The highs, the lows, the whole bit. Looking forward to living vicariously through the next installment... :) Posted by: Roslyn at July 11, 2005 11:47 PM
Dear Wil, Went to 3 Hallmark stores and, regretfully, not one of them had a "Sorry you got ass-raped at the World Series of Poker" card. However. Consider the second half of that sentiment: THE WORLD SERIES OF POKER! Sure it's depressing to get beat, but if you gotta get beat SOMEWHERE . . . Besides, there's always next year. Posted by: MrTact at July 12, 2005 12:56 AM
A wise person once told me "When life hands you lemons, grab the tequila". Shitty deal that you had a stroke of bad luck dude. But you're the hottest poker player out there in our books........ (Besides, that was a PRACTICE run for next year, right?????? lol) ;-) Posted by: Veggie_gurl at July 12, 2005 04:08 AM
Hey Wil, I am going to keep on sending Mojo your way! Glad to hear you aren't giving up. We monkeys do love the drama. Besides, you made a better showing than most. Now for the cliches...A-Hem.. Keep your chin up and remember there is always next time. Don't dwell on things too much. No matter what your Monkey Posse is behind you. Posted by: SciFiGeekGirl at July 12, 2005 04:26 AM
Make sure to give Anne a big hug when you see her. It sounds like she has to put up with alot. Posted by: Zkid at July 12, 2005 05:00 AM
"I just got busted from the 1500 NLHE event at the WSOP today. I know that we want guys to play K-4o when we've got pocket jacks, especially when the flop misses him and gives us a straight draw . . . but we really don't want him to river a king to suck out on us, and leave us so short-stacked that we push on the button with AQ and get called by AK in the Big Blind." That's the coolest jargon I'll always be too lame to understand. :0) All the same, loved Stand By Me and TNG, love your blog, (found it thru bonnie of SW and grrl.com fame), and sorry about your tourney. Dark Moose out Posted by: The Dark Moose at July 12, 2005 05:14 AM
I know that first paragraph was supposed to make sense, but dammit, it just doesn't! Posted by: John at July 12, 2005 06:19 AM
This whole series of posts is fabulous, but this one in particular really got to me -- especially the part about the blanket of gloom, and how it slid off your shoulders, and how that other guy put it on. I can't play poker for shit, and I can't always recognize good poker play from a distance, but I know good writing when I see it. :-) Posted by: Rachel Barenblat at July 12, 2005 06:28 AM
Superman's first name wasn't Clark... it was Calel. (And wasn't Otis that bumbling fat guy that tormented Lex Luthor in Superman I?) :-) Posted by: VineyardDawg at July 12, 2005 06:53 AM
Hey Wil, Congrats on the getting to play in the poker game. I feel bad that I have not commented on here in a while. Like you, I have had more things come up. I told myself today that I was going to post a comment. Talking to myself...going loony I think! It's great to see you are having fun. If anyone deserves it, you do. You have been through so much, and you need a big break. Have a very safe trip home, and Have a great rest of the time there. The very best to you always!! Posted by: JCade at July 12, 2005 06:56 AM
Best of luck Wil. You wouldn't be a geek if you didn't overanalyze everything. I love your poker posts - you put us right there with you. I have to say that your writing just keeps getting better and better and better... Posted by: Sharfa at July 12, 2005 07:07 AM
I mostly don't care about poker in general, to be honest. But because you're such a great writer, I really can't wait to find out what happens next! Yay for Anne being so cool and supportive. Much monkey mojo to ya, kiddo. Posted by: TheSingah at July 12, 2005 07:33 AM
I know it sucks pooh, but the writing is great, I can hear the sounds of the casino and smell the chlorine of the pool 24 floors below. Keep it up. Posted by: Angela at July 12, 2005 08:21 AM
I'm not going to write any stuff about luck or variance or "you'll get them in the long run" or whatever, because those are things you know. Right now, I'm sure, you feel emotionally like a "loser." But you aren't. And here's why. First off, you are a lot better at poker than you think you are. You've already impressed a number of people with your very analytical thought process and considered approach to the game. And I'm clearly not alone in thinking this...if PokerStars is staking you to enter these tourneys, they don't think you suck. They think that you have enough skill to get them exposure, and, consequently, bang for their buck. Secondly...you aren't anywhere near the peak of your potential. There's so much more that you are going to encounter and understand about no-limit, and you are smart enough that you will be able to digest it. You are really just at the beginning of your journey here. Third...you have access to Paul Phillips. (At least I think this is the case.) I don't think there's a person I'd rather be able to talk to about NL hold'em tournaments than Paul. The man is one of the elite few who understand the game inside and out and might be the only man articulate enough to help you understand. And fourth - you are getting put into tourneys by Pokerstars. This is just insanity EV wise. You'll be sitting at a table with some champagne and cash soon enough. It's inevitable. Will Posted by: WillMagic at July 12, 2005 08:21 AM
Wil, Just remember "Sometimes you get the cards, sometimes the cards get you." There have been nights where I was playing dead-on, winning nearly all the pots I got involved in, and there were other nights where I couldn't win with pocket rockets. I even raked in a few hundred bucks (in a 4-8 limit game, no less) when I had 2-7o in the BB (the flop hit 2-2-7, and 3 players ended up with flushes). All you can do is make the best calls you can with all your available information. Calling JJ when your opponent turned out to have K4o was the right call, even if the Poker Gods decided to turn their back on you. Keep your chin up and look at all the GOOD things that have happened to you recently. You've played in the WSOP and WPT (something I would LOVE to do). Hell, 'Jesus' even knows your name. Team PokerStars has faith in your abilities enough to pay for your entry into the tourneys. I *wish* I could play well enough for that. Plus you've got a wife who thinks you're the greatest and two stepkids who really look up to you. I'm 33 (just turned 33 today, in fact), and I don't have any of those things... I am fortunate enough that I found a good woman. I might be crazy enough to ask her to marry me someday, but I'll probably never be able to afford (in terms of time or money) to be able to drop down the $10k to play in the WSOP. You're my hero, Wil :-) Posted by: Aurik at July 12, 2005 08:23 AM
I know absolutely nothing about poker which means the technical stuff goes right over my head, but once again, I was fully engaged in and intrigued by your writing. Sorry the mojo wasn't with you this time. But from your last comment, it sounds like you're in a good place with it. Better luck next time. Posted by: sonjaag at July 12, 2005 08:46 AM
I enjoy reading your adventures. i admit, i don't get half of what you're talking about when it comes to poker competition... but it's fun to read, regardless. Posted by: StephanieCurry at July 12, 2005 08:49 AM
Talk about a "bounceback;" it's impressive how quickly you can shrug off that blanket. Ok, so you busted out again in the end, but, yeah, that's how you learn. You are relatively new on this scene, and it doesn't mean you don't belong here or any nonsense like that. So, keep trying, keep learning, pay your dues, and kick ass in time, if that's your path. The stories are great, by the way. Even your simplest narratives carry volumes in subtext. Waiting for the next one... Posted by: naiah christine earhart at July 12, 2005 09:14 AM
Forgive me for saying this, but your idea of a bad day is what most of America would consider a good day. You aren't out a dime of your own money, and you're at a nice motel with pretty girls in thongs and waitresses with beer. There is a time for reflection and learning. That time is "later." Be. Here. Now. You're letting what should be one of the happier experiences of your life slip right through your fingers. Be. Here. Now. Posted by: FNRThomas at July 12, 2005 09:57 AM
"I don't want to fuck up the drama . . . but this story is far from over. I'm not thinking about quitting, and I'm not staring into an abyss, at all." OK, no problemo, Wil, glad to hear that. But now we're all going to be waiting on eleventerhooks for, as Paul Harvey says, "The rest...of the story." (Which was probably your intention all along, you sly devil, you! :-) ) Posted by: Erbo at July 12, 2005 10:09 AM
Good Luck. Gotta say your writing of your poker adventures is great. I don't know but maybe this is a book or some articles over at PokerStars. Right now can't wait for your next post. Posted by: Kevin at July 12, 2005 10:22 AM
To everyone: Pretend he's writing a weekly movie serial, ending each installment on a cliffhanger. I'm willing to take Wil at his word that there's more to come, and that things are not now as dire as they appear. Veggie_gurl: Lemons with tequila? Bleccccccch. Limes, always limes. Posted by: Andrew at July 12, 2005 10:40 AM
Ah, so the "Songs of Self Doubt" have returned I see. I'm sure I have that album in my personal collection as well. LOL! I think you already know that by playing, you have a greater chance of loosing. That's what makes winning all the more fun, because it is rare. There's no since in beating yourself up about this, I mean damn, you're in Vegas playing poker with someone else's money and you're playing the best game you can. Odds are, you'll support your family with your writting ability rather than poker earnings, and you are creating some awesome prose as of now. Posted by: Rhettro at July 12, 2005 11:52 AM
Wil Wrote: The phone beeped again. I clicked over, before it could go to voice mail. "Hi Dan," I said. "Brad [that's Otis' real name] told me what happened," he said. "I just wanted to see how you were doing." CJ Wrote: *Gasp*, Otis' real name is Brad? Isn't that like telling me Superman's real name is Clark!?!?
(Maybe I'm the only one who thought it was funny)... it just reminds me of "The Blair Witch Project" when Heather and Mike were talking about the Captain on Gilligans Island, referring to him that he wasn't the Captain, that "he was the Skipper". I'm retarded. at July 12, 2005 12:39 PM
I thought the Superman stuff was funny too. And I'm kidding about the Otis-Brad thing... Otis is my co-blogger over at Up For Poker. He was "Brad" for years until he became this poker-blogging cult figure. When Otis finally writes a book... GO BUY IT! Posted by: CJ at July 12, 2005 12:53 PM
I've been following your blog for a little while now and, like lots of your fans, I'm sorry things didn't work out as well as we had all hoped for you in Vegas. On the bright side, it looks like your writing muse has really connected with you -- following your journey as you reflect on it in the blog here has been fascinating. Thanks for sharing. Posted by: Greg at July 12, 2005 12:56 PM
Hey, they don't call it GAMBLING for nothing. I learned my lesson in the 80s when I was in Vegas for Comdex one year and I walked by one of those hi-lo dice cages, casually threw down $20 and lost, doubled it on the same bet, lost, doubled, lost, doubled, lost. In the course of a few minutes I blew more than $600. It's like the lights and the glitz suck the common sense out of you, thinking that if the dice goes lo five times in a row, the sixth time is a charm. And I knew better but I was still suckered in. The next year I vowed to not let that happen again, so I studied the details of the casinos and their games and learned to count cards. End result: made some money and got kicked out of three casinos on the strip. Once you start winning, even if you find a LEGAL way (card counting is not illegal) the casinos will go out of their way to intimidate you. It tarnished my experience with the whole concept of gambling. Fast forward to now. The Hold-Em poker phenomenon. It's interesting, but it's also very depressing. People like me and you, we play for the challenge of it, but most of the people are trying to cheat the age old idea that you can reap more than you sow, which almost never works. The TV shows don't show you the marriages that break up or the bad things that happen to people who become obsessed with gambling. And the whole industry promotes this disease that is eating away at the concept of a noble work ethic. It's nothing short of amazing how the networks have turned poker into a glamourous sport. In reality, to be a poker pro you have to be consistently boring and methodical -- how they can turn these pros into interesting figures worthy of watching is a testimonial to the magic of television. But don't get me wrong, I do play on Pokerstars and have fun on occasion. Like others, I enjoy the mental game. You say you can't really do it online though? I disagree. If you want to have fun, create a very politically-incorrect pseudonym and watch how it makes other players instantly go on tilt. If "ZAntiChrist" sits down at your table, watch all the guys from Indiana and Iowa start dropping like flies. Everyone wants to kick Satan's ass at the table. Oh, it's just too funny. It makes me wonder if I ever did enter a tournament, whether it would be a brilliant move to hang a small jar of urine with an upside down crucifix in it around my neck. The comedic potential alone is worth the entrance fee, and there's a pretty good chance you can mess with everybody's mind. And that's what it's all about, because if you're there to make money, you're a fool. Keep up the good work. - Pile Posted by: BsAlert.com at July 12, 2005 05:03 PM
:) Love the Vegas musings. FYI: "As I walked away, I man in a Bluff Magazine T-shirt passed me. His hands trembled as he pulled his phone from his pocket." second to last sentence I believe you want an 'a' in place of that'I'. Not that I personally care. Peace Posted by: icu at July 14, 2005 11:14 AM
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